Non Pro's

[Michael1967]

Since we're on the subject of price, it may be a good idea to revisit that conversation. I know it's been discussed many times in this thread, but it bears repeating occasionally.

It seems we are all looking for that $200-$300 sweet spot, but I wonder if that's reasonable anymore. Given the number of flakes, time wasters, and scammers on Seeking, finding a real person who is attractive, responsive, and DTF may be worth an upcharge. Most of these women are clean and relatively low mileage. The rise in prices across the board has been well catalogued on this board. If high volume pros are charging $200-$300, perhaps it's time to reassess what's reasonable for a qualify UTR girl from Seeking.

There is a thread on Reddit for SBs and SDs to post what they are charging / paying. It's kind of interesting, some of the amounts seem completely astronomical and unreasonable: https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifest...read_20212022/.

(in case the board censored that URL, it's are / sugarlifestyleforum and the master allowance thread is stickied at the top).

So, I'm curious what you are all paying for full dates, on a PPM basis? Full date means you're shooting at least one load by the end of the date (or you are at least given a very clear opportunity to). Less interested in what the women are quoting and more interested in the prices at which you've actually closed the deal. And these need to be relatively recent (let's limit only to new women met in the last twelve months). I've met two recently for full dates, each at $300 PPM. I had a platonic meet and greet with another, but she wanted $500 for a full date. I said no and was expecting a counter, but it never came.

I'm at $500 and deduct the price of hotel from what I give her. I never go straight to hotel, we usually have drinks first (at minimum). So generally about $600-650 including everything. Every person I date is gorgeous (in my opinion). No fatties or uglies just because they are cheaper.

[Smuma6]

Since we're on the subject of price, it may be a good idea to revisit that conversation. I know it's been discussed many times in this thread, but it bears repeating occasionally.

It seems we are all looking for that $200-$300 sweet spot, but I wonder if that's reasonable anymore. Given the number of flakes, time wasters, and scammers on Seeking, finding a real person who is attractive, responsive, and DTF may be worth an upcharge. Most of these women are clean and relatively low mileage. The rise in prices across the board has been well catalogued on this board. If high volume pros are charging $200-$300, perhaps it's time to reassess what's reasonable for a qualify UTR girl from Seeking.

There is a thread on Reddit for SBs and SDs to post what they are charging / paying. It's kind of interesting, some of the amounts seem completely astronomical and unreasonable: https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifest...read_20212022/.

(in case the board censored that URL, it's are / sugarlifestyleforum and the master allowance thread is stickied at the top).

So, I'm curious what you are all paying for full dates, on a PPM basis? Full date means you're shooting at least one load by the end of the date (or you are at least given a very clear opportunity to). Less interested in what the women are quoting and more interested in the prices at which you've actually closed the deal. And these need to be relatively recent (let's limit only to new women met in the last twelve months). I've met two recently for full dates, each at $300 PPM. I had a platonic meet and greet with another, but she wanted $500 for a full date. I said no and was expecting a counter, but it never came.

[Michael1967]

So, awhile ago, I went for a meet and greet with a potential SB. Of all the SBs I've encountered in years, she was the ONLY one that I can see a rich guy scooping her up and paying a shit ton of money for. She was the first SB that I've met that I'd describe as "classy".

She wanted $200 for a M&G. I didn't pay that, but I paid much more than I'd consider for a M&G. In addition, dinner came out to about $300. I knew immediately that she was out of my league. I didn't bother even discussing numbers, because if I'm paying about $500 to take her to dinner, then I'm going to pay a minimum of $1000 to fuck her. I make good money, but I know my limitations. She was obviously someone that isn't going to meet me at a hotel for sex, she's going to be wined and dined at minimum. So, in reality, it would cost me $1500 to get laid.

So, I've been around awhile, I know how to get in someone's pants without paying for it. So, I told her I'd like to see her again because I liked her and that a SD relationship may not work out with us.

Silence. Until today. She contacted me and acted like I disappeared on her. B itch Please. She ghosted me hoping for something better and no one else came close. So now she's back. But nothing pisses me off more than a 20 something that thinks she smarter than me and thinks I'm going to fall for that. I know what she was doing. I'm tempted to tell her I'm not interested, but I'm going to hit that once before I do (so don't ask for her info).

As a side note. She's an incredibly attractive black woman. She told me that she expected to find a rich white guy, but multiple white men have contacted her and have asked if they can call her the and-word in bed or if she minded if they used the and-word around her. She has never encountered anyone bold enough to even hint at that and now in Seattle she's encountered it multiple times. She has zero interest in seeing white guys now. My question is, WTF is wrong with you people?

[DrtyHarry]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...f-3faf12adfcb4

I met her irl for a m&g and she's dtf. This girl is a cute young college freshman that will spend 3-4 hours and multiple rounds for 800 ppm. I passed since there's better value out there and decided to see another SB of mine instead.

She's hot but not 800 hot IMHO.

[Irwin18]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...f-3faf12adfcb4

I met her irl for a m&g and she's dtf. This girl is a cute young college freshman that will spend 3-4 hours and multiple rounds for 800 ppm. I passed since there's better value out there and decided to see another SB of mine instead.

Holy jumping catfish. Eight hundred for a few hours? Yeah, I wish her luck.

[Flash Lidar]

I actually love that look and thinks she's hot too. Definitely not $1000 ppm hot. Definitely wouldn't take the risk of sending cash in advance, but for me, her body is nearly perfect.

I like 'them skinny too. This one was just too focused on getting a gift for just a m&g that it was off putting.

[Flash Lidar]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...f-3faf12adfcb4

I met her irl for a m&g and she's dtf. This girl is a cute young college freshman that will spend 3-4 hours and multiple rounds for 800 ppm. I passed since there's better value out there and decided to see another SB of mine instead.

[3Putt]

Appreciate the thoughts and the warning about not prebooking. This particular chick is in her mid 20's and is a complete professional (despite not being a professional). We've already did the meet & greet and agreed on a PPM price. I'm quite confident I will be closing this one. Whether I keep her or release her to this board remains to be seen.

Release her to the board LOL, like your the only dude she is meeting off SA.

[Michael1967]

It's a plus that she showed up for the meet and greet but if she hasn't been in an arrangement before, they're more likely to flake when the reality of what they are about to do sets in. With new SB's I always try to find hotels where they allow last minute cancellations without having to pay for the room.

Good luck.

My last flake did the meet and greet and we set up an amount and a date to do the deed. I got all kinds of videos of ass-shaking and fake orgasms etc. ,. The day of the meet, "I can't do it". So, I did the "I understand" speech and told her that if she ever decides she can go through with it, I'm here and willing and she's already met me.

[Twister100]

Honeykiss.
https://www.seeking.com/member/19db8...c-cab3297a0d52
https://www.reddit.com/user/BabeBarefoot/

Princesskitteen.
https://www.seeking.com/member/bddd5...9-8bef24908f1f
https://www.instagram.com/jilliansamaha/?hl=en

[Twister100]

Appreciate the thoughts and the warning about not prebooking. This particular chick is in her mid 20's and is a complete professional (despite not being a professional). We've already did the meet & greet and agreed on a PPM price. I'm quite confident I will be closing this one. Whether I keep her or release her to this board remains to be seen.

It's a plus that she showed up for the meet and greet but if she hasn't been in an arrangement before, they're more likely to flake when the reality of what they are about to do sets in. With new SB's I always try to find hotels where they allow last minute cancellations without having to pay for the room.

Good luck.

[Smuma6]

Appreciate the thoughts and the warning about not prebooking. This particular chick is in her mid 20's and is a complete professional (despite not being a professional). We've already did the meet & greet and agreed on a PPM price. I'm quite confident I will be closing this one. Whether I keep her or release her to this board remains to be seen.

[DrtyHarry]

I'm meeting a woman from Seeking on Friday in the Des Moines area. Any recommendations on a decent hotel? I am looking to strike a balance of inexpensive, yet not a complete dump either. I also need early check-in. I know that's probably difficult to find, just thought I'd ask for any suggestions.

I usually book 2-3 hrs in advance of the appointed time. Far too many cancellations on SA and I do not want the stress. So I use dayuse or expedia and book last minute. The advantage of same day bookings is you sometimes get very lucky. I have gotten full service Marriott or Hilton (think JW or Four Seasons) for 80-90 that equates to 120 with tax etc. Pretty cool deals as those usually go for 300 a night. Of course there is a flip side to this. Sometimes a last min booking makes it very hard to find a room (Especially in the summer when hotels seem to be in more demand) - for those few times I bite the bullet and pay a higher price. But that has happened only 1-2 times. I almost always find a decent deal. If nothing else I do find a a nice (I mean newer and cleaner) doubletree or holiday Inn express. I tend not to look at brand names so much rather. Use google maps to see the actual hotel and rooms. E. g. There are some La Quintas where I would not even enter the parking lot. Let alone expect someone to meet me there. Then I have seem some new construction ones in the suburbs that are actually very nice, clean and safe. So that is how I approach it. I actually asked this same question about 2 years ago. A lot of responses to that thread gave me a good starting point and I have been lucky so far I guess.

[Michael1967]

Check out dayuse.com.

There are about 8-9 hotels in the Seatac to Southcenter area for less than $100 (that are not sketchy). I'd call one and ask about early check in and book with one of those. I wouldn't take her to a crappy hotel, you're supposed to be a baller and Motel 6 doesn't really equate to "rich man".

All that being said, I'm always, always, hesitant about getting a hotel beforehand with a SB. Especially if she's in her 20's. They are the biggest flakes in the world. They are all down for everything until it's time to put out and then suddenly they change their minds. I had more than one occasion where they backed out at the last minute and I had to resort to a hooker to not lose money for the room. Another case, someone we've discussed here many times, the sex was so bad that I kept the room and got a hooker so I could actually get laid correctly.

[Smuma6]

Check out dayuse.com.

Amazing, thank you.