"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**WhatsBreakfast** · 09-17-21 16:45

Originally Posted by GeechieDan [View Original Post]

https://www.seeking.com/member/8b0a1...6-f7ce8c63563f

I've been texting with this one. Sent me a nice pic. The body is smoking hot. She seems very open minded as far as the bedroom is concerned. Asking 400, and says we can spend up to 5 hrs together.

Snag: she wants 100 for travel to the Meet and greet, as she lives in Hopewell and I'm in Richmond. Please someone tell me she's real!

I am not into SB, it seems like too much drama for me LOL.

From a mongering perspective money up front is a no go. If she wants to do a meet and greet then you should offer to go and see her.

If she refuses to meet with you without you just flat giving her money upfront, then its adios.

**Ernest Ll** · 09-17-21 15:46

Originally Posted by GeechieDan [View Original Post]

https://www.seeking.com/member/8b0a1...6-f7ce8c63563f

I've been texting with this one. Sent me a nice pic. The body is smoking hot. She seems very open minded as far as the bedroom is concerned. Asking 400, and says we can spend up to 5 hrs together.

Snag: she wants 100 for travel to the Meet and greet, as she lives in Hopewell and I'm in Richmond. Please someone tell me she's real!

You say smoking hot body, her profile says average.

I get that women on Seeking probably lack in self esteem, but since they are selling their bodies, they probably aren't going to under sell you on that aspect.

**RedBaron69** · 09-17-21 15:15

Originally Posted by GeechieDan [View Original Post]

https://www.seeking.com/member/8b0a1...6-f7ce8c63563f

I've been texting with this one. Sent me a nice pic. The body is smoking hot. She seems very open minded as far as the bedroom is concerned. Asking 400, and says we can spend up to 5 hrs together.

Snag: she wants 100 for travel to the Meet and greet, as she lives in Hopewell and I'm in Richmond. Please someone tell me she's real!

She is a scammer, told me the same thing. Told me she lives in Richmond. Wants pictures of recently purchased eBay cards upfront. LOL.

This trash needs to be dumped.

Cheers.

**ChiefQueef** · 09-17-21 12:08

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

Basically no pics out there these days have EXIF info on them, the risks have been recognized.

I don't believe that simply changing IP addresses can be a flag for something. People move around all the time. There's no way to practically implement this. The constants, like your MAC Address, are more likely to be an issue in identifying you. There is a tool for MAC address spoofing. Use it. Right now, TOR doesn't work on SA for me. It appears you can log in, but the page just grinds and doesn't go anywhere. This is on an Apple Mac.

These days, I am using VPN into a large corporate server, and then out onto the web. For other web-based sugaring, I use EPIC which has a built-in VPN, you can choose among a few different exit nodes. If I switch my exit node, Google Voice will ask me to do a Captcha to verify I am a person.

A significant concern generally, but I'd bet SA isn't using, is fingerprinting based on things like browser window size etc.

There's no doubt there is a lot more scrutiny of profiles on SA these days. IT seems they can find a problem if they look. So, don't do anything to stimulate them to look. If you have a 'seasoned' profile, leave it alone, even if it seems outdated. That will just get them to re-evaluate it. I got a profile suspended based on this. They said my photos weren't of me and wanted me to verify myself with a selfie holding a got-issued photo I'd. Obviously, I couldn't do this, I just asked them to delete the profile totally. Interestingly, they never responded to this, but IK that I can't log in to that account.

Awesome advice and critique, thanks. I'll pass this on to my buddy in need.

Cheers,

CQueefs.

**Geechie Dan** · 09-17-21 12:00

https://www.seeking.com/member/8b0a1...6-f7ce8c63563f

I've been texting with this one. Sent me a nice pic. The body is smoking hot. She seems very open minded as far as the bedroom is concerned. Asking 400, and says we can spend up to 5 hrs together.

Snag: she wants 100 for travel to the Meet and greet, as she lives in Hopewell and I'm in Richmond. Please someone tell me she's real!

**FarFarAway** · 09-16-21 14:46

Originally Posted by ChiefQueef [View Original Post]

It is an assumption of mine that now SA does indeed have a database of site content and run some algorithm to recognize pictures that have been used before. Easy solution would be new / fake pics that are EXIF wiped.

Regarding VPNS / proxies this is what flags accounts. SA matches IP addresses with devices. If a user were to switch IPs on the VPN (lost of connection, DNS leak, etc.) then this would cause an automated flag in SA's system. They log each device and IP, so if a device is switching IPs then that is deemed suspicious. So the solution is to use a dedicated IP (public computer, dedicated machine, etc). ToR also flags in SA -- it takes obfuscation to another level.

Basically no pics out there these days have EXIF info on them, the risks have been recognized.

I don't believe that simply changing IP addresses can be a flag for something. People move around all the time. There's no way to practically implement this. The constants, like your MAC Address, are more likely to be an issue in identifying you. There is a tool for MAC address spoofing. Use it. Right now, TOR doesn't work on SA for me. It appears you can log in, but the page just grinds and doesn't go anywhere. This is on an Apple Mac.

These days, I am using VPN into a large corporate server, and then out onto the web. For other web-based sugaring, I use EPIC which has a built-in VPN, you can choose among a few different exit nodes. If I switch my exit node, Google Voice will ask me to do a Captcha to verify I am a person.

A significant concern generally, but I'd bet SA isn't using, is fingerprinting based on things like browser window size etc.

There's no doubt there is a lot more scrutiny of profiles on SA these days. IT seems they can find a problem if they look. So, don't do anything to stimulate them to look. If you have a 'seasoned' profile, leave it alone, even if it seems outdated. That will just get them to re-evaluate it. I got a profile suspended based on this. They said my photos weren't of me and wanted me to verify myself with a selfie holding a got-issued photo I'd. Obviously, I couldn't do this, I just asked them to delete the profile totally. Interestingly, they never responded to this, but IK that I can't log in to that account.

**EasyeOne** · 09-16-21 12:53

Originally Posted by GeechieDan [View Original Post]

https://www.seeking.com/member/2ac64...3-9f7eb9fcab28

I connected again with her, was about to text her until I realized we had talked before (her profile from last year), still had the old messages. She will ask you for money upfront or pull the I need to a babysitter or I need baby formula excuse. Either her man or pimp controls it because the cash up profile was a guy.

If anyone has actually met her, would love to hear about it! She does send a lot of nudes while trying to get you to cashup her some funds. She / he got $10 out of me for baby formula she was picking up before driving to me. She / he worked hard for those 10!

**Geechie Dan** · 09-16-21 11:18

Originally Posted by Machin3 [View Original Post]

Gave cell number in 2nd message and was asking for $85 to be sent to her to cover a bill, all pretty quick. Smelling a fake / scammer here.

Ok, that explains it. She gave me the digits, and when I tried to text, my phone said the number was blocked. I figured I'd communicated with her before and had a good reason for blocking the number. Thanks.

**Machin3** · 09-16-21 11:10

Originally Posted by GeechieDan [View Original Post]

https://www.seeking.com/member/2ac64...3-9f7eb9fcab28

Gave cell number in 2nd message and was asking for $85 to be sent to her to cover a bill, all pretty quick. Smelling a fake / scammer here.

**Geechie Dan** · 09-16-21 10:43

https://www.seeking.com/member/2ac64...3-9f7eb9fcab28

**ChiefQueef** · 09-16-21 08:28

Originally Posted by Shampoo55 [View Original Post]

1, Could be that SA has some facial rec program working like FB does or contracted with them? Maybe by default they do an image search on the web like we do? Only work around is no facial shots or some fancy software to manipulate characteristics that FR uses.

2. To avoid IP recognition use as OP noted a VPN. Some of us go to the extreme of using Tor browser as part of out OpSec.

3. As far as device FP goes, there was a discussion on this very thread about some 3rd party software that spoofs those parameters. I would think using a different browser than before would be the first step.

The best way to avoid these headaches is not get banned in the first place as I am sure you are aware. So you mentioned cross-reporting, care to share where that is happening? Having other sites in the quiver is useful.

Hello, and thank you for your constructive feedback. To build on the topics:

1. It is suspected that they reference recycled photos from previous use.

2. VPNs and ToR will flag your account and result in suspension for 'suspicious activity'; a dedicated IP or set of dedicated IPs seems like the solution to me.

3. My friend uses Brave browser which offers advanced device fingerprinting; it seems like when SA's scripts are blocked this also causes a flag.

4. My friend was banned essentially for no reason as it was a new account made with a VPN and Vanilla gift card. This is not a case of foul behavior. Instead it's about a lazy security algorithm, lack of customer service which in all puts paying customers at risk (even more than they already are when trusting that site). Cross-reporting occurs on reddit, please use the search function there for 'seeking arrangements'. I don't want to cross-reference them here to then be indexed on Google etc.

**ChiefQueef** · 09-16-21 08:20

Originally Posted by ThrowAwayVA [View Original Post]

I doubt they are using facial recognition. Just tell him to use a proxie when creating an account.

It is an assumption of mine that now SA does indeed have a database of site content and run some algorithm to recognize pictures that have been used before. Easy solution would be new / fake pics that are EXIF wiped.

Regarding VPNS / proxies this is what flags accounts. SA matches IP addresses with devices. If a user were to switch IPs on the VPN (lost of connection, DNS leak, etc.) then this would cause an automated flag in SA's system. They log each device and IP, so if a device is switching IPs then that is deemed suspicious. So the solution is to use a dedicated IP (public computer, dedicated machine, etc). ToR also flags in SA -- it takes obfuscation to another level.

**SBmidlo** · 09-15-21 09:40

I don't get why some of these SB's constantly change profiles. This one is now FoxyLover https://www.seeking.com/member/e3217...6-68f6f79dd1d5.

Last week she was MissG31. Prior to that was Alim something or another. I emailed her last night to reintroduce myself and she immediately blocked me. I know it's the same person because the pics in her profile are some of the same ones she texted to me back when we met from one of her other profiles. Not sure what I did to deserve the block but not losing sleep over it. Anyway, if you get the chance to meet her she is very pretty, a little flighty, but definitely DTF if you treat her nice. We had a great afternoon in a hotel a couple of months ago after meeting from one of her previous profiles.

**Shampoo55** · 09-15-21 07:20

Originally Posted by ChiefQueef [View Original Post]

Anyone have tips for how to circumnavigate facial recognition, IP recognition, device fingerprinting, etc. When creating a new account? I have a friend who got suspended without reason and he was asked to show valid photo I'd to SA. I suggested that is idiotic and not to do it (just basic opsec and privacy concerns).

If you have advice on how to create an anonymous account in 2021 that bypasses SA's security automation. Help a bro out. I'll also report back in PMs with findings for those interested (we have obvious lurkers from reddit etc that cross-report. Have some meta-awareness). Thanks in advanced; PMs open.

1, Could be that SA has some facial rec program working like FB does or contracted with them? Maybe by default they do an image search on the web like we do? Only work around is no facial shots or some fancy software to manipulate characteristics that FR uses.

2. To avoid IP recognition use as OP noted a VPN. Some of us go to the extreme of using Tor browser as part of out OpSec.

3. As far as device FP goes, there was a discussion on this very thread about some 3rd party software that spoofs those parameters. I would think using a different browser than before would be the first step.

The best way to avoid these headaches is not get banned in the first place as I am sure you are aware. So you mentioned cross-reporting, care to share where that is happening? Having other sites in the quiver is useful.

**ThatSexyGuy** · 09-14-21 14:07

Not sure if anyone has seen her. Could be risky as she's been on site a while. She's kept up messaging me for a good while now. I can't meet her as I have two baby's and the drive would be to much. Maybe one of you gents would be a good fit. If her pictures are real she's got to be a good fit. She definitely keeps messaging and doesn't seem like a money pit.

https://www.seeking.com/member/34bce...5-f22938c27e08