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  1. #3387
    Quote Originally Posted by PunkedLife  [View Original Post]
    You seriously want us to care what these th0 ts go through? Like seriously let's take a doctor or any Healthcare professional who are actually doing great things for society. These individuals work ungodly amount of hours, are severely understaffed, always in a stressful situation where people lives are on the line. And they only make a fraction of what an above average prostitute (Eros type not backpage).These are women who had the choice to pursue a doctorates or similar career path and actually contribute to society. Not saying their 3 holes aren't useful depending on the guy and the situation but not enough that I would care about their problems. You think they care about your problems? They don't even remember who you are until they scroll up on your next text message so they can see who they are speaking to when you contact them the next time.
    To be fair, a lot of doctors / nurses don't give a fuck who their patients are too. I know quite a few of them. They do their job because it's just that, a job. As you go through life, you're going to realize that most people don't give much a fuck about you, regardless of profession.

  2. #3386
    Quote Originally Posted by Garretts1965  [View Original Post]
    Banging 1000 guys a year and making $150 k seems like a lot to you? Do you have any idea what these women deal with?
    You seriously want us to care what these th0 ts go through? Like seriously let's take a doctor or any Healthcare professional who are actually doing great things for society. These individuals work ungodly amount of hours, are severely understaffed, always in a stressful situation where people lives are on the line. And they only make a fraction of what an above average prostitute (Eros type not backpage).These are women who had the choice to pursue a doctorates or similar career path and actually contribute to society. Not saying their 3 holes aren't useful depending on the guy and the situation but not enough that I would care about their problems. You think they care about your problems? They don't even remember who you are until they scroll up on your next text message so they can see who they are speaking to when you contact them the next time.

  3. #3385

    So.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tpsreportflair  [View Original Post]
    As I noted earlier, even a $300/ hr agency girl whose agency takes a 50% cut will make $150,000 a year if she only sees 4 clients a day 5 days a week. $150 x 4 = 600. $600 x 5 = $3000. $3000 x 50 = $150,000.

    And I get that escorting isn't easy, but in the above scenario the escort is workin glow volume and still making extremely good money. Just to extend the above example again, if that escort goes independent and still charges $300 and still goes low volume seeing the same amount of clients she now makes $300,000 a year. I want to make sure all guys see that here. There is no reason for 90% of escorts to be charging more than that. So people here know, that is about $50,000 to $75,000 more than your average doctor in NYC makes.

    The good news is, with de facto legalization, there will probably be a lot of downward pressure on prices. It just may take a little time.

    One finally note for the guys here regarding $1000 and higher an hour escorts. You can wake up on Saturday, fly to Toronto or Montreal, stay in a four star hotel, book two one hour sessions with really cute and good service escorts in either of those locations, eat meals Saturday and Sunday in restaurants in those cities for around $1000. That is how screwed up the pricing is here.
    Banging 1000 guys a year and making $150 k seems like a lot to you? Do you have any idea what these women deal with?

  4. #3384

    There's a flip side to that coin

    You want to charge absurd rates that's fine but you have to live up to the service otherwise it's a rip off.

    Charging $600 or more entails automatically that the provider includes BBBJ, GFE, and two pops unless they're a pornstar as they'd be selling the "pornstar" celebrity factor.

    If you don't offer those services then you shouldn't be above $250/ hr MAX plain and simple.

    Looks are subjective, prices are based on service, and increase in price entails an increase in performance and service extras.

    Otherwise the massive boycotting of the rip offs will continue and overpriced rip off escorts will not make any bread.

    It's time for prices to go BACK to pre 2018 prices when the business was better, enough of the games.

    Rip offs are dangerous for the industry not just for the client getting ripped off but the providers as they don't know which nutcase they could be dealing with.

    You rip me off?

    I'll walk away and pray to Christ almighty you enjoy the money and change as a person, I hold no bitterness.

    I got ripped off 300 I walked away no problem.

    Others?

    You never know, especially with the amount of lunatic clients and incidents happening over the last year.

    Then you have others not so crazy but won't let someone get away with that.

    You won't find many nice guys like me.

    We need better rates and services, more independents so we can have great experiences for client and providers with no trafficking, no rip offs, no incidents and even enjoyable experiences for both parties.

    Quote Originally Posted by UCIndieAgent  [View Original Post]
    First to set this straight- most agencies in NYC take a 50% cut, so at $300/ hr, a girl is making $50. Agency girls also usually pay for their own travel, toiletries, (emergency) contraception, and sexual health needs. I totally agree with you that agencies shouldn't charge the same as the average independent bc generally the service is not as good. Do not expect an independent escort service when paying agency rates.

    I like your comparison and would like to expand on it some: There are days when I'm in the mood for cheap fast food so I get a $2 burger from wherever. It's fine, I just want to fill up and don't really care if it's not that good bc that wasn't what I was going for. There are other days where I have some extra money and treat myself to a fancy meal from a more upscale restaurant. Just because I ate at McDonald's Tuesday doesn't make me poor or cheap. Just because I ate at La Grenouille on Wednesday doesn't mean I am rich or that I was ripped off. I like that there is a range of options and depending on my mood and finances, I can make that call. The two are not mutually exclusive and both will always have patrons.

  5. #3383

    Daisy Mature Hungarian

    What's up my people just wondering if anybody has some intell on Daisy she posts on adult search anybody knows her schedule?? I remember she used to be on AP back in the day and she is fun to be with.

    Peace my fellow mongers.

  6. #3382

    Yes but even with agency taking 50% they still are making out great

    As I noted earlier, even a $300/ hr agency girl whose agency takes a 50% cut will make $150,000 a year if she only sees 4 clients a day 5 days a week. $150 x 4 = 600. $600 x 5 = $3000. $3000 x 50 = $150,000.

    And I get that escorting isn't easy, but in the above scenario the escort is workin glow volume and still making extremely good money. Just to extend the above example again, if that escort goes independent and still charges $300 and still goes low volume seeing the same amount of clients she now makes $300,000 a year. I want to make sure all guys see that here. There is no reason for 90% of escorts to be charging more than that. So people here know, that is about $50,000 to $75,000 more than your average doctor in NYC makes.

    The good news is, with de facto legalization, there will probably be a lot of downward pressure on prices. It just may take a little time.

    One finally note for the guys here regarding $1000 and higher an hour escorts. You can wake up on Saturday, fly to Toronto or Montreal, stay in a four star hotel, book two one hour sessions with really cute and good service escorts in either of those locations, eat meals Saturday and Sunday in restaurants in those cities for around $1000. That is how screwed up the pricing is here.

    Quote Originally Posted by UCIndieAgent  [View Original Post]
    First to set this straight- most agencies in NYC take a 50% cut, so at $300/ hr, a girl is making $50. Agency girls also usually pay for their own travel, toiletries, (emergency) contraception, and sexual health needs. I totally agree with you that agencies shouldn't charge the same as the average independent bc generally the service is not as good. Do not expect an independent escort service when paying agency rates.

    I like your comparison and would like to expand on it some: There are days when I'm in the mood for cheap fast food so I get a $2 burger from wherever. It's fine, I just want to fill up and don't really care if it's not that good bc that wasn't what I was going for. There are other days where I have some extra money and treat myself to a fancy meal from a more upscale restaurant. Just because I ate at McDonald's Tuesday doesn't make me poor or cheap. Just because I ate at La Grenouille on Wednesday doesn't mean I am rich or that I was ripped off. I like that there is a range of options and depending on my mood and finances, I can make that call. The two are not mutually exclusive and both will always have patrons. Likewise, if a client wants a quick and cheap service with whoever without breaking the bank, cool go for it. If that same client wants to save up and budget for an expensive independent provider, good for both of them.

    In my experience, when I raised my rates I found I was pulling more clients who saw escorts as a special treat. Maybe they visit less frequently than an agency client, but their intentions and expectations are totally different (same with choosing a meal). When I was with agencies, I found the client experience to feel more like I was trying to satiate their entitlement and price match with girls who I had nothing in common with.

    One comparison I make sometimes is that escorts can almost be likened to getting a tattoo. I could spend $50 for my friends uncle to tattoo me in his basement with a homemade machine. Or I can save my money, research artists, and drop a couple hundred bucks on something I won't regret. Who's the sucker now? I mean, at the end of the day they are both tattoos, right?

    Furthermore, when I see an independent escort charging upwards of $1000/ hr, I don't see that as a threat to my worth since I charge less. In fact, I'm happy for anyone who can make that work. Similarly, clients who pay those prices aren't really a threat as an agency could never compete with that.

    Contrary to popular belief, escorting is not easy and most people are not cut out for it. One little mistake could mean the risks far outweigh the reward. Not to mention, everything is slightly pricier in Manhattan. And if you are so upset that the industry as a whole as seen an price increase. No one is making you book appts. If you consider "mongering" a "hobby," you clearly are not broke.

  7. #3381
    Quote Originally Posted by PunkedLife  [View Original Post]
    A job of an escort is to make the experience exactly what you advertise so it doesn't matter if the guy you are dealing with is a grotesque senior citizen or the type of guy you date in your personal life. And I've browsed the reddit forums of sex workers. The lack of respect and contempt most of you hold for your clientele is astounding.
    These women are only human. Relax. I dated an escort too. Escorting isn't easy work. So no, escorts can have off sessions too. Expecting them to be 100% every session is foolish.

    But yeah, a lot of escorts do hold their clients in disdain. Fuck those girls that hate on us. That's why we have these review forums, to try and weed out those very hoes. Its not hard to filter them out too if you know what to ask them and watch their body language carefully.

  8. #3380
    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynMatt  [View Original Post]
    But I think the problem that cropping up is a lot of women are asking for a premium without delivering a premium performance. Or just raising rates because they see everyone else doing it.
    Bingo. This is the issue. The girl isn't even denying this, if I'm reading her essays right.

    This is what we're talking about when we say simps have fucked this market up lately.

  9. #3379
    Quote Originally Posted by UCIndieAgent  [View Original Post]
    First to set this straight- most agencies in NYC take a 50% cut, so at $300/ hr, a girl is making $50. Agency girls also usually pay for their own travel, toiletries, (emergency) contraception, and sexual health needs. I totally agree with you that agencies shouldn't charge the same as the average independent bc generally the service is not as good. Do not expect an independent escort service when paying agency rates.

    I like your comparison and would like to expand on it some: There are days when I'm in the mood for cheap fast food so I get a $2 burger from wherever. It's fine, I just want to fill up and don't really care if it's not that good bc that wasn't what I was going for. There are other days where I have some extra money and treat myself to a fancy meal from a more upscale restaurant. Just because I ate at McDonald's Tuesday doesn't make me poor or cheap. Just because I ate at La Grenouille on Wednesday doesn't mean I am rich or that I was ripped off. I like that there is a range of options and depending on my mood and finances, I can make that call. The two are not mutually exclusive and both will always have patrons. Likewise, if a client wants a quick and cheap service with whoever without breaking the bank, cool go for it. If that same client wants to save up and budget for an expensive independent provider, good for both of them.

    In my experience, when I raised my rates I found I was pulling more clients who saw escorts as a special treat. Maybe they visit less frequently than an agency client, but their intentions and expectations are totally different (same with choosing a meal). When I was with agencies, I found the client experience to feel more like I was trying to satiate their entitlement and price match with girls who I had nothing in common with.

    One comparison I make sometimes is that escorts can almost be likened to getting a tattoo. I could spend $50 for my friends uncle to tattoo me in his basement with a homemade machine. Or I can save my money, research artists, and drop a couple hundred bucks on something I won't regret. Who's the sucker now? I mean, at the end of the day they are both tattoos, right?

    Furthermore, when I see an independent escort charging upwards of $1000/ hr, I don't see that as a threat to my worth since I charge less. In fact, I'm happy for anyone who can make that work. Similarly, clients who pay those prices aren't really a threat as an agency could never compete with that.

    Contrary to popular belief, escorting is not easy and most people are not cut out for it. One little mistake could mean the risks far outweigh the reward. Not to mention, everything is slightly pricier in Manhattan. And if you are so upset that the industry as a whole as seen an price increase. No one is making you book appts. If you consider "mongering" a "hobby," you clearly are not broke.
    To add my two cents here:

    I have friends who are former sex workers and it definitely takes it's toll over time so I totally understand charging more to see fewer clients. But I'll also add that from the way your describing things it sounds like you give it your all with your clients. And there are quite a few who charge high rates but really don't perform. And that's a problem when you're spending a lot. There are two high end ladies I see fairly regularly. They are not actually the most attractive girls out there but they give me the performance I'm expecting for the kind of rates that they charge. So to me that's worth it. I don't see them all the time but I do see them once a month or so. It's the Peter Luger meal vs McDonalds. But I think the problem that cropping up is a lot of women are asking for a premium without delivering a premium performance. Or just raising rates because they see everyone else doing it.

  10. #3378

    My 2 cents

    Quote Originally Posted by UCIndieAgent  [View Original Post]
    Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.

    When I first started in an agency that used backpage I would make about a grand per shift in mostly short stay visits. This means over 10 clients per shift. It wasn't healthy for me, I often would need breaks due to physical pain or yeast infections (I did everything covered). It's hard to maintain that level of work over time. After backpage, things slowed down and I left the industry for a while. When I returned post backpage it had slowed down for both agencies and indies. When the pandemic hit, I was at an agency and it was worse than ever. We ran specials but only so often as agencies do not want to lower their value by doing too many specials.
    This also comes from dating am escort but a good escort knows how to make the experience authentic no matter how fake it is. She hated her job but her clients would never know that. So the whole sexual compatibility bring better is bs. No offence meant. Just stating the facts. A job of an escort is to make the experience exactly what you advertise so it doesn't matter if the guy you are dealing with is a grotesque senior citizen or the type of guy you date in your personal life. And I've browsed the reddit forums of sex workers. The lack of respect and contempt most of you hold for your clientele is astounding. So only a symp would believe the fantasy they choose to believe with every experience they have with an escort. Just thought I'd point that out. No offense meant. This is all transactional at the end of the day.

  11. #3377
    Quote Originally Posted by Tpsreportflair  [View Original Post]
    The economics are obscene. These ladies are in effect saying that $200 or $300 an hour isn't enough? If you charge $300 an hour and only see four guys a day, five days a week, you make $300,000 a year. That's how they are playing the men out here. $300 K a year isn't enough. We're cheapskates unless we pay them enough so they can make $600,000 a year. That's in effect what this lady is saying. It's total bullshit and no one should buy it.

    I like to say, it's good to be rich enough to be able to pay $100 for a hamburger and not have it hurt you. But at the end of a day you still paid $100 for a freaking hamburger. The best hamburger in the world is probably worth about $12.

    Same situation applies. The best escort in the world, I'm talking if the Playboy Playmate of the Year this year became an escort and gave the best and most enthusiastic service imaginable doing everything that every client wanted to do, that might be worth $600 an hour. Everyone else is below that and most people A LOT below that. That's how I see it. And you are right, people paying more than that are causing price inflation and unnecessarily so. At $300 an hour a woman makes plenty, probably much more a year than most guys here.
    First to set this straight- most agencies in NYC take a 50% cut, so at $300/ hr, a girl is making $50. Agency girls also usually pay for their own travel, toiletries, (emergency) contraception, and sexual health needs. I totally agree with you that agencies shouldn't charge the same as the average independent bc generally the service is not as good. Do not expect an independent escort service when paying agency rates.

    I like your comparison and would like to expand on it some: There are days when I'm in the mood for cheap fast food so I get a $2 burger from wherever. It's fine, I just want to fill up and don't really care if it's not that good bc that wasn't what I was going for. There are other days where I have some extra money and treat myself to a fancy meal from a more upscale restaurant. Just because I ate at McDonald's Tuesday doesn't make me poor or cheap. Just because I ate at La Grenouille on Wednesday doesn't mean I am rich or that I was ripped off. I like that there is a range of options and depending on my mood and finances, I can make that call. The two are not mutually exclusive and both will always have patrons. Likewise, if a client wants a quick and cheap service with whoever without breaking the bank, cool go for it. If that same client wants to save up and budget for an expensive independent provider, good for both of them.

    In my experience, when I raised my rates I found I was pulling more clients who saw escorts as a special treat. Maybe they visit less frequently than an agency client, but their intentions and expectations are totally different (same with choosing a meal). When I was with agencies, I found the client experience to feel more like I was trying to satiate their entitlement and price match with girls who I had nothing in common with.

    One comparison I make sometimes is that escorts can almost be likened to getting a tattoo. I could spend $50 for my friends uncle to tattoo me in his basement with a homemade machine. Or I can save my money, research artists, and drop a couple hundred bucks on something I won't regret. Who's the sucker now? I mean, at the end of the day they are both tattoos, right?

    Furthermore, when I see an independent escort charging upwards of $1000/ hr, I don't see that as a threat to my worth since I charge less. In fact, I'm happy for anyone who can make that work. Similarly, clients who pay those prices aren't really a threat as an agency could never compete with that.

    Contrary to popular belief, escorting is not easy and most people are not cut out for it. One little mistake could mean the risks far outweigh the reward. Not to mention, everything is slightly pricier in Manhattan. And if you are so upset that the industry as a whole as seen an price increase. No one is making you book appts. If you consider "mongering" a "hobby," you clearly are not broke.

  12. #3376
    Quote Originally Posted by Tpsreportflair  [View Original Post]
    The economics are obscene. These ladies are in effect saying that $200 or $300 an hour isn't enough? If you charge $300 an hour and only see four guys a day, five days a week, you make $300,000 a year. That's how they are playing the men out here. $300 K a year isn't enough. We're cheapskates unless we pay them enough so they can make $600,000 a year. That's in effect what this lady is saying. It's total bullshit and no one should buy it.

    I like to say, it's good to be rich enough to be able to pay $100 for a hamburger and not have it hurt you. But at the end of a day you still paid $100 for a freaking hamburger. The best hamburger in the world is probably worth about $12.

    Same situation applies. The best escort in the world, I'm talking if the Playboy Playmate of the Year this year became an escort and gave the best and most enthusiastic service imaginable doing everything that every client wanted to do, that might be worth $600 an hour. Everyone else is below that and most people A LOT below that. That's how I see it. And you are right, people paying more than that are causing price inflation and unnecessarily so. At $300 an hour a woman makes plenty, probably much more a year than most guys here.
    While that is true, they can also make 250-500 K staying home as a cam girl and on * That's where the sharp white talent is going to. Roll out of bed and start camming. No boss, no trek to work etc.

  13. #3375

    Sure, but even half of $300/ hr is $150 K a year at low volume

    AMP girls at the higher end places are in the same boat. And in both situations they are still making bank.

    The only way someone making $150/ hr or above isn't doing very well if they put that money up their nose or in a vein. And if they are doing that no amount of money will be enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by SecretStuffing  [View Original Post]
    Yeah but the girls at Lear aren't making $300 an hour because they have to give up a percentage. And I think a large one. Of the fee.

  14. #3374
    Yeah but the girls at Lear aren't making $300 an hour because they have to give up a percentage. And I think a large one. Of the fee.

  15. #3373

    I get what you are saying but

    The economics are obscene. These ladies are in effect saying that $200 or $300 an hour isn't enough? If you charge $300 an hour and only see four guys a day, five days a week, you make $300,000 a year. That's how they are playing the men out here. $300 K a year isn't enough. We're cheapskates unless we pay them enough so they can make $600,000 a year. That's in effect what this lady is saying. It's total bullshit and no one should buy it.

    I like to say, it's good to be rich enough to be able to pay $100 for a hamburger and not have it hurt you. But at the end of a day you still paid $100 for a freaking hamburger. The best hamburger in the world is probably worth about $12.

    Same situation applies. The best escort in the world, I'm talking if the Playboy Playmate of the Year this year became an escort and gave the best and most enthusiastic service imaginable doing everything that every client wanted to do, that might be worth $600 an hour. Everyone else is below that and most people A LOT below that. That's how I see it. And you are right, people paying more than that are causing price inflation and unnecessarily so. At $300 an hour a woman makes plenty, probably much more a year than most guys here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nsugen  [View Original Post]
    Interesting post. The problem is that simps are driving up prices across the WHOLE market. Low-volume, high value ladies like yourself were always around. But this time, the agency girls and the backpage streetwalkers are following suit too. They've inflated their rates twofold or threefold.

    For example, at one very popular NYC agency, half the girls working there are drug addicts coming up from Florida. Just two years ago, those girls were charging 300 an hour. Now those same girls are charging 400-600 an hour. All for the same on-and-off service, mind you, if reviews on here and a couple other major sites are to be believed.

    When you moved on from your agency and went Indy, it sounds like your service probably improved tremendously. You picked your clients, you weeded out the disgusting losers, you were actually able to build some chemistry with the men you handpicked. All those things contributed and made you better at your craft. And for that, your price hike is justified. Can't say the same for so many of the other girls who are hiking prices just cause more simps have flooded the market. The product they're selling doesn't justify the price hike, period.

    BTW, can you private message me your ad? I've been looking for a good girl for something steady now that my last girl is tied up in a relationship. Feel free to say no if you're not comfortable with it.

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