Rants and Raves

[Bullett64]

The United States is on the verge of collapse.

Sorry, I forgot to ask. When do you see this collapse happening so I can mark my calendar?

[Bullett64]

The United States is on the verge of collapse. We elect people who tell us what we want to hear and enrich themselves. We are infected with political correctness and avoid the truth. .

Interesting. Your second sentence is the very definition of "Donald Trump. ".

As for the imminent collapse of the country. No its not. We are definitely going through some growing pains, but we will survive Biden just as we survived Trump. " You give the average US citizen far too little credit. We will adapt to changing situations as they present themselves.

The biggest threat to the democracy that I see isn' a takeover by Islam, but internal conflict caused by out of control political polarization. As the world famous philosopher, Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he are us. ".

Want to help with salvation of the country? Stop being a right-wing fanatic and try actually listening to other points of view.

[ComTech42]

This has not been a shining moment for President Biden and our country in general.

But to assume that everything was in order for a 1 May withdrawal date is being naive to the extreme. Let's give credit where credit is due, namely to President Biden and former President Trump.

The United States is on the verge of collapse. We elect people who tell us what we want to hear and enrich themselves. We are infected with political correctness and avoid the truth. We refuse to admit Islam is a political force whose goal is to rule the world.

[Bullett64]

Operation El Dorado canyon ... and Desert storm

I don't know how these posts are edited, but the names of Operational Orders (OPORN's) and Operational Plans (OPLAN's,) are properly capitalized, hence Operation "ELDORADO CANYON" (all caps), and Operation "DESERT STORM" (also all caps.).

[Bullett64]

The worst President ever conducting the worst foreign policy blunder ever. Cut the Trump blaming. Joe Biden has been in charge since January.

The United States has elected the VILLAGE IDOIT as PRESIDENT.

This has not been a shining moment for President Biden and our country in general.

But to assume that everything was in order for a 1 May withdrawal date is being naive to the extreme. Let's give credit where credit is due, namely to President Biden and former President Trump.

[Aaron Hamlet]

Along with the 15,000 Americans and 80,000 Afghan allies abandoned in Afghanistan, we are completely fucked.

[ComTech42]

The worst President ever conducting the worst foreign policy blunder ever. Cut the Trump blaming. Joe Biden has been in charge since January.

The United States has elected the VILLAGE IDOIT as PRESIDENT.

[Bullett64]

Mr. Bullet,

You have a serious case of denial. Leaving millions of dollars worth of our hardware (Humvees, guns, ammo, drones, helicopters, etc) for the Taliban to have is perfectly ok? Are you going to say that was our parting gift to our enemy? Are you going to say that Trump would have done that?

You talk about "knowing" a little about how this works because you were in military admin. Were you on the ground in Afghanistan? Did you fire a weapon? Were you fired at? You don't know squat.

This is a colossal failure by this administration and our woke military leaders of epic proportion.

Furthermore, most of us are on this board because of our interest in pussy. 90% of your posts are rant and raves trying to defend leftist ideals. Maybe if you spent more time pursuing pussy you'd have a more balanced outlook on things.

In order:

Please show me whee I even talked about hardware? My point is that this was a tragedy, a human tragedy, with plenty of blame for both administrations. The equipment comes secondary to human lives. Of course, with no plan it didn't stand a chance of being either recovered or destroyed.

My "admin" experience consisted of four years in the Pentagon on the Air Staff. Do you remember the attack on Libya, Operation El Dorado canyon? That was a plan and it was very successful. I was not on the ground in Afghanistan; I was in the air, just as I was in Vietnam and Desert storm. And yes, I fired many weapons. Would you like a list? And yes, I was fired at, frequently. Have you ever seen a picture of Baghdad during Desert storm?

It was an epic failure, just not my this administration alone. The previous one share equal blame. I recognize that you believe your fearless leader is perfect in every way, but please recall that he had no plan to distribute the Corona virus vaccine either.

[Sgt Soros]

President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.

Yea right, he had a brilliant plan. He just forgot to inform those responsible for carrying it out.

[TheRabbit]

President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/ti...m-afghanistan/

https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn....-report-2021-8

Yeah no Trump had no real plan other than say "we're leaving".

[KindOfMissBp]

Some thoughts on Afghnistan:

First of all the entire situation is a tragedy and I feel for the Afghani people, those who are still trying to get safely ou, and those who gave their lives during the conflict.

I spent four long years on the Air Staff and thereby have a bit of knowledge of how this all works. I was in XOO (Operations) not XOX (Plans) but I worked enough with the planners to know that nothing is ever thrown out. It can be revised ad nauseum, but the old plans are still on file and ready to be dusted off.

President Biden has taken some severe hits for the lack of planning here and rightly so. However, it was President Trump who made the agreement with the Taliban and established the May 1 withdrawal date. But clearly he had no plan on how to do this either or the armed forces would have had in place unless it was superseded by a newer Biden era plan, which is obviously not the case.

That being said, the only difference in the end game that I see is that it all would have occurred four months earlier.

I blame both sides. There is certainly enough of it for each of them to share. I just wish we could now concentrate on getting our people and allies out of there. The finger pointing can wait.

Mr. Bullet,

You have a serious case of denial. Leaving millions of dollars worth of our hardware (Humvees, guns, ammo, drones, helicopters, etc) for the Taliban to have is perfectly ok? Are you going to say that was our parting gift to our enemy? Are you going to say that Trump would have done that?

You talk about "knowing" a little about how this works because you were in military admin. Were you on the ground in Afghanistan? Did you fire a weapon? Were you fired at? You don't know squat.

This is a colossal failure by this administration and our woke military leaders of epic proportion.

Furthermore, most of us are on this board because of our interest in pussy. 90% of your posts are rant and raves trying to defend leftist ideals. Maybe if you spent more time pursuing pussy you'd have a more balanced outlook on things.

[Bullett64]

President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.

Sounds good -- after the fact. The problem is that there does not exist an OPLAN, or even an MOA, which tasks who is do do all of this, and how, and when, and with what resources, etc. , etc.

Also, unless I missed it, Trump never mentioned getting the Afghan allies out all all. Most news sources seem to agree that he was happy to just leave them there.

[Sgt Lurker]

President Trump's Plan.

First. Get our Embassy Staff out.

Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).

Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.

Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.

Next. Last of the military leave.

But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.

Don't be a sucker.

Some thoughts on Afghnistan:

First of all the entire situation is a tragedy and I feel for the Afghani people, those who are still trying to get safely ou, and those who gave their lives during the conflict.

I spent four long years on the Air Staff and thereby have a bit of knowledge of how this all works. I was in XOO (Operations) not XOX (Plans) but I worked enough with the planners to know that nothing is ever thrown out. It can be revised ad nauseum, but the old plans are still on file and ready to be dusted off.

President Biden has taken some severe hits for the lack of planning here and rightly so. However, it was President Trump who made the agreement with the Taliban and established the May 1 withdrawal date. But clearly he had no plan on how to do this either or the armed forces would have had in place unless it was superseded by a newer Biden era plan, which is obviously not the case.

That being said, the only difference in the end game that I see is that it all would have occurred four months earlier.

I blame both sides. There is certainly enough of it for each of them to share. I just wish we could now concentrate on getting our people and allies out of there. The finger pointing can wait.

[Bullett64]

Some thoughts on Afghnistan:

First of all the entire situation is a tragedy and I feel for the Afghani people, those who are still trying to get safely ou, and those who gave their lives during the conflict.

I spent four long years on the Air Staff and thereby have a bit of knowledge of how this all works. I was in XOO (Operations) not XOX (Plans) but I worked enough with the planners to know that nothing is ever thrown out. It can be revised ad nauseum, but the old plans are still on file and ready to be dusted off.

President Biden has taken some severe hits for the lack of planning here and rightly so. However, it was President Trump who made the agreement with the Taliban and established the May 1 withdrawal date. But clearly he had no plan on how to do this either or the armed forces would have had in place unless it was superseded by a newer Biden era plan, which is obviously not the case.

That being said, the only difference in the end game that I see is that it all would have occurred four months earlier.

I blame both sides. There is certainly enough of it for each of them to share. I just wish we could now concentrate on getting our people and allies out of there. The finger pointing can wait.

[TheRabbit]

Based on comparing FT's numbers to CDC's figures on breakthrough cases, from July 12th​ to August 6th​ we've had 6,343 people die of Covid-19, of which 366 (5. 7%) were fully vaccinated. 16 times as many unvaccinated died as vaccinated, even though as of now the population is evenly divided between vaccinated and unvaccinated, even though the unvaccinated population is significantly younger and healthier than the vaccinated population. Its almost like... Vaccines work or something.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html