The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[DJprofessorK]

That's a very good point! I've intentionally gone out of my way to keep those segments of my life separate. I'll have to chalk this one up to drunk thoughts.

Confuse dating and the hobby. Only a certain small percentage of women in society would sell out for money and it doesn't spill over into the real world. What your mentioning is a way to turn a bad date into a nightmare, it might be more than a case of them just walking out but feeling so insulted that they embarrass you on social media or even worse.

I've personally met 4 women on SA with Master's Degrees (And not the usual suspects that would have others asking if you'd wasted your money). And two of them cited 'comfort' and 'knowing that things are taken care of so I don't have to worry about it' as reasons as to why they sugared. I don't think being working / successful / professional immediately rules it out, but it most definitely would reduce the frequency.

My female friends are working, successful, professionals and would slap me on the face! Just depends circle of dating friends.

[Pubb69]

I was out last night with some buddies for drinks and this topic came up:

If you were on a vanilla date, and it was going okay, but not great. Something that looked like it would end pleasantly, but not progress any further, as a last ditch effort, would you ever offer her something in order to be intimate with her? What percentage of women do you think would agree? And what percentage do you think would become offended and walk out? I happen to think a lot of these Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill girls are more into it than we may assume.

I have one friend who is lightly in the hobby, but his standards are weird, so he rarely gets anything off the ground. And another friend who used to scroll through backpage with his coworkers some years ago, but I don't think he ever pulled the trigger.

I actually think the success rate would be higher than most would expect if you weren't a complete jerk about it.

Confuse dating and the hobby. Only a certain small percentage of women in society would sell out for money and it doesn't spill over into the real world. What your mentioning is a way to turn a bad date into a nightmare, it might be more than a case of them just walking out but feeling so insulted that they embarrass you on social media or even worse.

[Summe4]

My female friends are working, successful, professionals and would slap me on the face! Just depends circle of dating friends.

I was out last night with some buddies for drinks and this topic came up:

If you were on a vanilla date, and it was going okay, but not great. Something that looked like it would end pleasantly, but not progress any further, as a last ditch effort, would you ever offer her something in order to be intimate with her? What percentage of women do you think would agree? And what percentage do you think would become offended and walk out? I happen to think a lot of these Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill girls are more into it than we may assume.

I have one friend who is lightly in the hobby, but his standards are weird, so he rarely gets anything off the ground. And another friend who used to scroll through backpage with his coworkers some years ago, but I don't think he ever pulled the trigger.

I actually think the success rate would be higher than most would expect if you weren't a complete jerk about it.

[Saronnie]

I was out last night with some buddies for drinks and this topic came up:

If you were on a vanilla date, and it was going okay, but not great. Something that looked like it would end pleasantly, but not progress any further, as a last ditch effort, would you ever offer her something in order to be intimate with her? What percentage of women do you think would agree? And what percentage do you think would become offended and walk out? I happen to think a lot of these Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill girls are more into it than we may assume.

I have one friend who is lightly in the hobby, but his standards are weird, so he rarely gets anything off the ground. And another friend who used to scroll through backpage with his coworkers some years ago, but I don't think he ever pulled the trigger.

I actually think the success rate would be higher than most would expect if you weren't a complete jerk about it.

I would say if handled correctly there is no doubt there would be success. If you are out at north hills or something, bring up taking her shopping. You will get a sense through how she reacts to that. I can say without hesitation that a few of the sb that I know that are late 20's / early 30's very comfortably blur the line between vanilla and sugar dating.

[DJprofessorK]

I was out last night with some buddies for drinks and this topic came up:

If you were on a vanilla date, and it was going okay, but not great. Something that looked like it would end pleasantly, but not progress any further, as a last ditch effort, would you ever offer her something in order to be intimate with her? What percentage of women do you think would agree? And what percentage do you think would become offended and walk out? I happen to think a lot of these Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill girls are more into it than we may assume.

I have one friend who is lightly in the hobby, but his standards are weird, so he rarely gets anything off the ground. And another friend who used to scroll through backpage with his coworkers some years ago, but I don't think he ever pulled the trigger.

I actually think the success rate would be higher than most would expect if you weren't a complete jerk about it.

[LikesGirls]

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[SuperDave3038]

I was married when I started on the site but I no longer am (thank god, I'm waaaaaay happier now). I was always upfront about the fact that I was married and never had any problem finding girls willing to see me. Despite what Pubb says there's plenty of real girls still on the site there's just also a lot more bs to wade through to find them. Just never send any money at all to someone you haven't met and you'll be fine. To DJprofessorKs point, while I was going through my divorce the girl I was seeing and I had a tense couple of months waiting to see if my (batshit crazy) ex was going to try to hit her with an alienation of affection suit. Ultimately the only "damages" a spouse can claim are monetary and there's not much to get from a broke college girl so no suit ever appeared, but there was still some real stress there for awhile. Also, heed the warning to pay with cash. Everything comes out in a divorce. Any electronic payments can be traced, all hotel stays can be subpoenaed, it's all out there. Be safe and stay happy!

Speaking of hotel stays. I prefer to see SBs that can host, but have gone the hotel / Airbnb route in the past. Wondering if anyone has any tips for local "discreet" short term accommodations.

[GentleGiant78]

I was married when I started on the site but I no longer am (thank god, I'm waaaaaay happier now). I was always upfront about the fact that I was married and never had any problem finding girls willing to see me. Despite what Pubb says there's plenty of real girls still on the site there's just also a lot more bs to wade through to find them. Just never send any money at all to someone you haven't met and you'll be fine. To DJprofessorKs point, while I was going through my divorce the girl I was seeing and I had a tense couple of months waiting to see if my (batshit crazy) ex was going to try to hit her with an alienation of affection suit. Ultimately the only "damages" a spouse can claim are monetary and there's not much to get from a broke college girl so no suit ever appeared, but there was still some real stress there for awhile. Also, heed the warning to pay with cash. Everything comes out in a divorce. Any electronic payments can be traced, all hotel stays can be subpoenaed, it's all out there. Be safe and stay happy!

I was on SA about 5 years ago with moderate success. I nailed two absolutely hottie 19 year olds, but it took a lot of work to do it. In my time away, I've been RTFF and it seems like the BS is higher than ever. And yet, my probably too high self-confidence tells me I can complete the mission again.

However, the development of the last 5 years is that I'm now married. It's happy, she's great. I'd never have an affair per se. There's just something about getting these super young ones I couldn't have otherwise (I'm 52). Obviously, as I consider this, I'm obviously not going to monger here in Raleigh. And any potential partner is getting NO personal information with which they might blackmail me until we're waaaaaay down the road, IF we got that far. I'll use a google number, cash apps tied to a reloadable cash card, etc, all the stuff you do to protect yourself.

So here's my question, and I assume there are other married mongers on here. Do I be upfront about the fact that I'm married? On the one hand, it would cut through the BS that I had to keep up with, but it also might affect my ability to find a partner. If I didn't tell, it's certainly easier to find a partner, but then I have to keep up with what I'm telling them. One middle ground I thought of is to perhaps just lie and say I'm married with permission to go have fun.

[VincentCor74]

I have always divulged that I am married. There have been a few SBs that have said that's a hard no for them, but far many more that do not care. Some have even told me they prefer that as it provides them some peace of mind that discretion will be a two way street.

Yes, always use a burner or non traceable texting apps, pay in cash, do not give any identifiable info, I even go as far as using a pseudo name / occupation etc. Can't be too careful.

Saves both parties time and avoids potential headaches.

One thing a lot of ladies prefer is if you ask THEM what level of discretion they need -- certain times they are not available to text, etc.

That way they know it's a two-way street, like you said.

I do find it pretty hilarious that some girls won't see a married guy. So, you'll take my money to have sex with me (which IS illegal) but not if I'm married? LOL.

I always counter with "doll, if I was single, I'd just be on Tinder. ".

[SuperDave3038]

DJprofessorK. Thanks for a point of view I hadn't thought of, which is exactly why I asked the question.

I suppose if I'm going to have to put in this effort anyway, it's not that much added effort to find one that doesn't care about my marital status.

I have always divulged that I am married. There have been a few SBs that have said that's a hard no for them, but far many more that do not care. Some have even told me they prefer that as it provides them some peace of mind that discretion will be a two way street.

Yes, always use a burner or non traceable texting apps, pay in cash, do not give any identifiable info, I even go as far as using a pseudo name / occupation etc. Can't be too careful.

[Robert1744]

DJprofessorK. Thanks for a point of view I hadn't thought of, which is exactly why I asked the question.

I suppose if I'm going to have to put in this effort anyway, it's not that much added effort to find one that doesn't care about my marital status.

[Pubb69]

I was on SA about 5 years ago with moderate success. I nailed two absolutely hottie 19 year olds, but it took a lot of work to do it. In my time away, I've been RTFF and it seems like the BS is higher than ever. And yet, my probably too high self-confidence tells me I can complete the mission again.

However, the development of the last 5 years is that I'm now married. It's happy, she's great. I'd never have an affair per se. There's just something about getting these super young ones I couldn't have otherwise (I'm 52). Obviously, as I consider this, I'm obviously not going to monger here in Raleigh. And any potential partner is getting NO personal information with which they might blackmail me until we're waaaaaay down the road, IF we got that far. I'll use a google number, cash apps tied to a reloadable cash card, etc, all the stuff you do to protect yourself.

So here's my question, and I assume there are other married mongers on here. Do I be upfront about the fact that I'm married? On the one hand, it would cut through the BS that I had to keep up with, but it also might affect my ability to find a partner. If I didn't tell, it's certainly easier to find a partner, but then I have to keep up with what I'm telling them. One middle ground I thought of is to perhaps just lie and say I'm married with permission to go have fun.

Thoughts? Apart from all that, I've been reading through the ads and yeah, the BS has increased a thousand times. It's going to take a little work, but I think I can find an earnest college girl or two to give me what I want. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?

What was out there even 2 years ago is not there now. My tolerance for b. S. Has decreased to 0 but maybe yours is different, just read the reviews on here before you give that pimp wannabe site a monthly payment to chase butterflies In Alaska.

[DJprofessorK]

Alienation of Affection is still on the books in North Carolina. Your wife would be well within her legal rights to pursue an SB for compensatory damages if she found out about your hobby. While being truthful will most definitely decrease your options, it's the right thing to do.

I know quite a few SB's who've been chased, doxxed, and harassed by furious wives.

Do the right thing. If an SB tells you that she's not interested in married men, respect it. By lying, you're not only intentionally disregarding her boundaries, you're also putting her in potential legal jeopardy, and contributing to a precedent for SB's to not trust the men on the site.

Too many of those hot 19 year old's don't care about your status, don't ruin the game for the ones who do.

Just my two cents.

I was on SA about 5 years ago with moderate success. I nailed two absolutely hottie 19 year olds, but it took a lot of work to do it. In my time away, I've been RTFF and it seems like the BS is higher than ever. And yet, my probably too high self-confidence tells me I can complete the mission again.

However, the development of the last 5 years is that I'm now married. It's happy, she's great. I'd never have an affair per se. There's just something about getting these super young ones I couldn't have otherwise (I'm 52). Obviously, as I consider this, I'm obviously not going to monger here in Raleigh. And any potential partner is getting NO personal information with which they might blackmail me until we're waaaaaay down the road, IF we got that far. I'll use a google number, cash apps tied to a reloadable cash card, etc, all the stuff you do to protect yourself.

So here's my question, and I assume there are other married mongers on here. Do I be upfront about the fact that I'm married? On the one hand, it would cut through the BS that I had to keep up with, but it also might affect my ability to find a partner. If I didn't tell, it's certainly easier to find a partner, but then I have to keep up with what I'm telling them. One middle ground I thought of is to perhaps just lie and say I'm married with permission to go have fun.

Thoughts? Apart from all that, I've been reading through the ads and yeah, the BS has increased a thousand times. It's going to take a little work, but I think I can find an earnest college girl or two to give me what I want. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?

[Robert1744]

I was on SA about 5 years ago with moderate success. I nailed two absolutely hottie 19 year olds, but it took a lot of work to do it. In my time away, I've been RTFF and it seems like the BS is higher than ever. And yet, my probably too high self-confidence tells me I can complete the mission again.

However, the development of the last 5 years is that I'm now married. It's happy, she's great. I'd never have an affair per se. There's just something about getting these super young ones I couldn't have otherwise (I'm 52). Obviously, as I consider this, I'm obviously not going to monger here in Raleigh. And any potential partner is getting NO personal information with which they might blackmail me until we're waaaaaay down the road, IF we got that far. I'll use a google number, cash apps tied to a reloadable cash card, etc, all the stuff you do to protect yourself.

So here's my question, and I assume there are other married mongers on here. Do I be upfront about the fact that I'm married? On the one hand, it would cut through the BS that I had to keep up with, but it also might affect my ability to find a partner. If I didn't tell, it's certainly easier to find a partner, but then I have to keep up with what I'm telling them. One middle ground I thought of is to perhaps just lie and say I'm married with permission to go have fun.

Thoughts? Apart from all that, I've been reading through the ads and yeah, the BS has increased a thousand times. It's going to take a little work, but I think I can find an earnest college girl or two to give me what I want. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?