Rants and Raves

**Sgt Lurker** · 05-12-21 22:42

Last time I will do your research for you. Here is one while hospital not mandating it until it is fully approved. Another one Houston is being taken to court for firing health workers who refused until fully approved.

Originally Posted by TheRabbit [View Original Post]

The NHCS, a subdepartment of the CDC, publishes figures for all deaths by all causes for each year. They reported 345,323 deaths due to Covid-19 for 2020 alone, and overall report 503,976 more deaths than the prior year, when the year to year change has never so much as reached 6 digits before:

https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/cont...5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

This increase in deaths has no plausible alternative explanation than Covid-19 nor is it hospital faking death certs to make money. Indeed given the difference its quite likely there are 10's of thousands of cases attributed to other causes which were put over the brink by Covid-19.

And as noted before, official government sources from around the world all report it.

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service...ext&width=1260

Do you believe that all official government sources are all lying to exaggerate the number of people in their country that died in their country in 2020 or early 2021, both for Covid-19 specifically AND total deaths? Indeed if anything those numbers indicate that government are if lying doing so exclusively to downplay the number of Covid-19 deaths. If that is the case than there isn't much point in further discussion.

Which talk shows and how many people are claiming this is happening?

**Fretz** · 05-12-21 22:24

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

No I tell it like it is and in this thread you get attacked for the truth. Most of the people who post here are left wing radical nut jobs. You guys will argue against anything that doesn't fit your agenda, I've actually gotten somewhat used to read your lies and false information. You post articles from left wing sources and call it fact, I'm sorry, CNN, MSNBC, The new york times and most of everything you and your left wing nuts post are from sources that are backed by socialist and communist "organizations". The truth is you are a nut job, and again I'm just being honest, if you honestly believe any of the stuff you post you aren't as smart as you think you are.

Only those on the radical left think Biden is Competent, most democrats I talk to all agree they made a big mistake voting for Biden. I'm not sure why I try to keep arguing the facts with the left wing nuts like yourself, either you aren't smart enough to understand the truth.

Well said!

**TheRabbit** · 05-12-21 22:04

Originally Posted by SgtSoros [View Original Post]

You seem to have a blithely ignorant answer for everything. When you have no factual reply: throw up a mound of alternate reality bullshit and hope against hope that something sticks.
The Colonial pipeline closure has indeed lessened supply however pipelines are expected to be up and functional by Friday.

And what do you know it's now back online, so much for doom and gloom.

https://www-foxbusiness-com.cdn.ampp...1AQFKAGwASA%3D

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

No I tell it like it is and in this thread you get attacked for the truth. Most of the people who post here are left wing radical nut jobs. You guys will argue against anything that doesn't fit your agenda, I've actually gotten somewhat used to read your lies and false information. You post articles from left wing sources and call it fact, I'm sorry, CNN, MSNBC, The new york times and most of everything you and your left wing nuts post are from sources that are backed by socialist and communist "organizations". The truth is you are a nut job, and again I'm just being honest, if you honestly believe any of the stuff you post you aren't as smart as you think you are.

Only those on the radical left think Biden is Competent, most democrats I talk to all agree they made a big mistake voting for Biden. I'm not sure why I try to keep arguing the facts with the left wing nuts like yourself, either you aren't smart enough to understand the truth.

Ok so you have no real response to his reply, got it. Also your claiming a guy who got the COVID-relief bill pass, got 200 million shots with the first 100 days of the presidency is incompetent... yeah ok whatever you say. LOL

**SkyWookie** · 05-12-21 21:50

Originally Posted by SgtSoros [View Original Post]

You seem to have a blithely ignorant answer for everything. When you have no factual reply: throw up a mound of alternate reality bullshit and hope against hope that something sticks.

Fact 1. Gas prices are up largely because of increased demand. The Colonial pipeline closure has indeed lessened supply however pipelines are expected to be up and functional by Friday. Unlike trump, American's see a COMPETENT leader in Biden who has for the most part gotten the COVID Pandemic under control. We now have more vaccinated American's traveling, shopping, attending ball games, going to concerts etc and generally more optimistic about the future.

Fact 2. Wrong! You have conveniently forgotten to mention the massive Russian hack Solarwinds that was revealed late last year where Russian spies used a popular piece of software to unleash a virus that spread to 18,000 government and private computer networks. Oil, gas and technology firms were hit by this hack. Trump refused to confront his puppeteer master, Putin. The attack was unprecedented in audacity and scope. Russian spies went rummaging through the digital files of the USA Departments of Justice, State, Treasury, Energy, and Commerce and for nine months had unfettered access to top-level communications, court documents, even nuclear secrets. Trump did nothing except ***** about an election he claims was stolen from him.

No I tell it like it is and in this thread you get attacked for the truth. Most of the people who post here are left wing radical nut jobs. You guys will argue against anything that doesn't fit your agenda, I've actually gotten somewhat used to read your lies and false information. You post articles from left wing sources and call it fact, I'm sorry, CNN, MSNBC, The new york times and most of everything you and your left wing nuts post are from sources that are backed by socialist and communist "organizations". The truth is you are a nut job, and again I'm just being honest, if you honestly believe any of the stuff you post you aren't as smart as you think you are.

Only those on the radical left think Biden is Competent, most democrats I talk to all agree they made a big mistake voting for Biden. I'm not sure why I try to keep arguing the facts with the left wing nuts like yourself, either you aren't smart enough to understand the truth.

**Sgt Soros** · 05-12-21 18:09

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

Wow, this is one big paragraph of garbage and a deep dive into your imagination. I'll leave it at this, leftwing radicals will never see the truth unless it supports their narrative. That is the only fact needed to be stated here. Trump could put on supermans cape and fly into the sky and save earth from an asteroid and you and your fellow leftwing radicals would not accept it. You would make up lies as you always do and / or twist the facts.

Fact 1--gas is 60% higher NOW than it was under Trump.

Fact 2--No issues with cyber attacks on the oil industry under 4 years of Trump.

You want to go off on a left wing radical trip running around screaming and crying for your daddy because you want to turn this into something it's not.

Simple facts. Please read above fact 1 and fact 2, both are truthful no matter what other way you try to lie or manipulate them.

You seem to have a blithely ignorant answer for everything. When you have no factual reply: throw up a mound of alternate reality bullshit and hope against hope that something sticks.

Fact 1. Gas prices are up largely because of increased demand. The Colonial pipeline closure has indeed lessened supply however pipelines are expected to be up and functional by Friday. Unlike trump, American's see a COMPETENT leader in Biden who has for the most part gotten the COVID Pandemic under control. We now have more vaccinated American's traveling, shopping, attending ball games, going to concerts etc and generally more optimistic about the future.

Fact 2. Wrong! You have conveniently forgotten to mention the massive Russian hack Solarwinds that was revealed late last year where Russian spies used a popular piece of software to unleash a virus that spread to 18,000 government and private computer networks. Oil, gas and technology firms were hit by this hack. Trump refused to confront his puppeteer master, Putin. The attack was unprecedented in audacity and scope. Russian spies went rummaging through the digital files of the USA Departments of Justice, State, Treasury, Energy, and Commerce and for nine months had unfettered access to top-level communications, court documents, even nuclear secrets. Trump did nothing except ***** about an election he claims was stolen from him.

**TheRabbit** · 05-12-21 17:37

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

Medical workers countrywide and even higher levels in NY were quitting,

That is a lie because if that were true the death rate would be even HIGHER than it is now.

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

Nurses were afraid of covid because they didn't understand it was just a really bad cold (more or less).

Nurses know damn well that COVID-19 is not a "bad cold" because they often have years of medical training because even really bad colds do not often kill the elderly, obese, or people with pre existing conditions.

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

Also people weren't getting regular testing done on their health again out of fear of the virus.

Also not true, regular testing is still being done, it's how we know that flu deaths are way down and keeping track of deaths that are separate from COVID-19.

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

Hundreds of thousands needlessly died because of lack of medical treatment and undiagnosed issues which is why the number of deaths were higher last year.

False 500,000-900,000 died because the former guy did not take the virus seriously and refuse to listen to the experts and you seem to ignoring that other countries have very high death rates because of COVID-19 and their hospitals often do not get pay for reporting COVID-19 deaths.

**TheRabbit** · 05-12-21 14:14

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

There were no cyber-terrorists taking down pipelines under Trump watch.

It seems you forgotten about the massive cyber attack at the nuclear weapons agency that happened under Trump "watch".

https://time.com/5922897/us-nuclear-...energy-hacked/

**SkyWookie** · 05-12-21 13:26

Originally Posted by SgtSoros [View Original Post]

Do you realize that if YOU really want to go down this path, then you're making Donald Trump SOLELY responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic coming to the USA, all of the nearly 600,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations that resulted from it, and also solely responsible for the economy being laid waste because of it? Also, you've just made Trump solely responsible for all rioting during his term.

FYI, there were 1000's of major cyberattacks / ransomware attacks on hospitals, local governments, and other industries under Trump. *However, Trump did NOTHING.

http://www.theverge.com/2020/12/14/2...infrastructure

It was Trump's chaos that made America a sitting duck for cyberattacks.

[I]... For the past four years, Trump has treated the Federal cybersecurity effort as one more partisan battleground, with attacks and vulnerabilities embraced or rejected largely on the basis of their value as a political cudgel. Faced with a government spanning compromise that will require deep analysis and careful cooperation, theres little trust left to draw on, which could make a bad problem even worse..

Wow, this is one big paragraph of garbage and a deep dive into your imagination. I'll leave it at this, leftwing radicals will never see the truth unless it supports their narrative. That is the only fact needed to be stated here. Trump could put on supermans cape and fly into the sky and save earth from an asteroid and you and your fellow leftwing radicals would not accept it. You would make up lies as you always do and / or twist the facts.

Fact 1--gas is 60% higher NOW than it was under Trump.

Fact 2--No issues with cyber attacks on the oil industry under 4 years of Trump.

You want to go off on a left wing radical trip running around screaming and crying for your daddy because you want to turn this into something it's not.

Simple facts. Please read above fact 1 and fact 2, both are truthful no matter what other way you try to lie or manipulate them.

**Sgt Soros** · 05-12-21 12:33

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

Biden fails again, shortage at the gas pump
There were no cyber-terrorists taking down pipelines under Trumps watch, first gas prices soar after Biden is elected and now we have a gas shortage. The democrats anti-police stance nation wide has left the departments in this country that protect us short handed with criminals of all sorts running loose, whether some riot and loot, while others are attacking the internet with nobody to stop them, We all knew America was going to hell in a handbasket after Biden got elected, but man I didn't realize it would be this fast.

Do you realize that if YOU really want to go down this path, then you're making Donald Trump SOLELY responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic coming to the USA, all of the nearly 600,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations that resulted from it, and also solely responsible for the economy being laid waste because of it? Also, you've just made Trump solely responsible for all rioting during his term.

FYI, there were 1000's of major cyberattacks / ransomware attacks on hospitals, local governments, and other industries under Trump. However, Trump did NOTHING.

http://www.theverge.com/2020/12/14/2...infrastructure

It was Trump's inaction that made America a sitting duck for cyberattacks.

... For the past four years, Trump has treated the Federal cybersecurity effort as one more partisan battleground, with attacks and vulnerabilities embraced or rejected largely on the basis of their value as a political cudgel. Faced with a government spanning compromise that will require deep analysis and careful cooperation, theres little trust left to draw on, which could make a bad problem even worse.

... under Krebs, the agency was gaining trust. The director had bipartisan support and was seen by the cybersecurity community as an impartial arbiter, someone who would be honest about the facts on the ground even if it was politically inconvenient. Then, a few weeks ago, he was fired for displaying exactly these qualities. As Trump raised groundless claims of election fraud to distract from his loss at the polls, Krebs issued a clear statement on the issue, saying he had seen no evidence of vote tallies being changed in the election. In a matter of days, he was out of a job. ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewso...h=45fbfb494608

Trump Takes Bipartisan Criticism For Silence On Massive Cyber Attack

Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.) noting the president fired Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) head Chris Krebs for debunking his election fraud conspiracy theories just one month before the attack occurred.

Even Tom Bossert, Trump's former homeland security advisor, urged the president to "get past his grievances about the election and govern for the remainder of his term," in a New York Times op-ed, which stated he is on the verge of leaving behind a federal government, and perhaps a large number of major industries, compromised by the Russian government. ... " .

And then Trump wouldn't allow Biden's transition team to have access to what was or wasn't being done about cybersecurity, thus hobbling the Biden Administration from getting up to speed quickly enough.

So, I ask you again, do you really want to blame a President for everything that happens during his term, whether or not there was anything he could have done about it?

Originally Posted by HobbyMan51 [View Original Post]

Obviously you should believe The Rabbit, Sarge. C'Mon. Man! Seriously, you could tell The Rabbit that the sun is out on a sunny day and he would tell you that you are wrong.

Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But you are not entitled to your own made up facts.

**SkyWookie** · 05-12-21 12:04

Originally Posted by TheRabbit [View Original Post]

The NHCS, a subdepartment of the CDC, publishes figures for all deaths by all causes for each year. They reported 345,323 deaths due to Covid-19 for 2020 alone, and overall report 503,976 more deaths than the prior year, when the year to year change has never so much as reached 6 digits before:

https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/cont...5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

This increase in deaths has no plausible alternative explanation than Covid-19 nor is it hospital faking death certs to make money. Indeed given the difference its quite likely there are 10's of thousands of cases attributed to other causes which were put over the brink by Covid-19.

And as noted before, official government sources from around the world all report it.

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service...ext&width=1260..

This is common sense and I don't know what rabbit hole you were hiding in all last year. Medical workers countrywide and even higher levels in NY were quitting, Nurses were afraid of covid because they didn't understand it was just a really bad cold (more or less). With the shortage of medical staff people were dying by the tens of thousands because they could not receive medical attention, things people normally would not die of began killing people.

Also people weren't getting regular testing done on their health again out of fear of the China virus. So people were going undiagnosed, then dying then the hospital put a covid toe tag on them to cash in. The facts suck, but these are the facts. Hundreds of thousands needlessly died because of lack of medical treatment and undiagnosed issues which is why the number of deaths were higher last year.

**TheRabbit** · 05-12-21 11:31

Originally Posted by SkyWookie [View Original Post]

Not just cancer, Heart attacks, strokes, even people who died in car accidents had covid put on their death certs to make hospitals money.

The NHCS, a subdepartment of the CDC, publishes figures for all deaths by all causes for each year. They reported 345,323 deaths due to Covid-19 for 2020 alone, and overall report 503,976 more deaths than the prior year, when the year to year change has never so much as reached 6 digits before:

https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/cont...5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

This increase in deaths has no plausible alternative explanation than Covid-19 nor is it hospital faking death certs to make money. Indeed given the difference its quite likely there are 10's of thousands of cases attributed to other causes which were put over the brink by Covid-19.

And as noted before, official government sources from around the world all report it.

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service...ext&width=1260

Do you believe that all official government sources are all lying to exaggerate the number of people in their country that died in their country in 2020 or early 2021, both for Covid-19 specifically AND total deaths? Indeed if anything those numbers indicate that government are if lying doing so exclusively to downplay the number of Covid-19 deaths. If that is the case than there isn't much point in further discussion.

Originally Posted by Sgt Lurker [View Original Post]

Doctors and hospital workers called into many talk shows stating how they got extra money for COVID. So who should I believe? The frontline workers or the propogandist folks.

Which talk shows and how many people are claiming this is happening?

**SkyWookie** · 05-12-21 11:30

There were no cyber-terrorists taking down pipelines under Trumps watch, first gas prices soar after Biden is elected and now we have a gas shortage. The democrats anti-police stance nation wide has left the departments in this country that protect us short handed with criminals of all sorts running loose, whether some riot and loot, while others are attacking the internet with nobody to stop them, We all knew America was going to hell in a handbasket after Biden got elected, but man I didn't realize it would be this fast.

**ILoveHo** · 05-12-21 11:17

Originally Posted by SgtSoros [View Original Post]

FYI, Hydroxychloroquine is only FDA approved to treat Lupus and Malaria NOT COVID. The evidence suggests that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19, and the potential benefits of the drug do not outweigh the known and potential risks. As a result, trump's own FDA REVOKED their earlier issue of an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for hydroxychloroquine.

The Food and Drug Administration on Monday withdrew emergency use authorizations for two coronavirus treatments that President Donald Trump promoted despite concerns about their safety and effectiveness.

The agency revoked the authorizations for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine after a request from Gary Disbrow, acting director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.

After reviewing new information from large clinical trials the agency now believes that the suggested dosing regimens "are unlikely to produce an antiviral effect," FDA chief scientist Denise Hinton said in a letter announcing the decision.

Study after study has shown, Hydroxychloroquine has ZERO effect in treating people with COVID-19.

India is a test case to see the true efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID patients. India produces 70% of the global supply of Hydroxychloroquine. In February 2020 India banned all exports of Hydroxychloroquine. The Indian Government's intent was to ensure they had an adequate supply of hydroxychloroquine to meet their public health needs in their fight against COVID.

Fast forward to yesterday, tens of millions of Indians have contracted COVID. New infections are running at 400,000 per day. India's public health sector has collaspsed because 90 percent of the hospitilizations are COVID patients. The country has run short of oxygen supplies. COVID and other sick are being turned away from hospitals in droves. There are mass cremations of the dead in the streets in many of the major cities in India..

I got corvid last year Mar and there were not too many drugs to treat corvid then. I got two medicines, one is Hydroxychloroquine and the other one I cannot remember. I stayed in the hospital for 4 weeks, over 2 weeks of which in intensive care. During the first 2 weeks, the doctor told my family I may not make it. I did survive and is very healthy today. I am not contradicting you. I am not a medical expert. But this was my experience. There must be more (or better) medicine now.

**HobbyMan51** · 05-12-21 10:42

Originally Posted by SgtLurker [View Original Post]

Doctors and hospital workers called into many talk shows stating how they got extra money for COVID. So who should I believe? The frontline workers or the propogandist folks.

Obviously you should believe The Rabbit, Sarge. C'Mon. Man! Seriously, you could tell The Rabbit that the sun is out on a sunny day and he would tell you that you are wrong.

**Sgt Lurker** · 05-12-21 09:09

Originally Posted by TheRabbit [View Original Post]

Yeah no, this is incorrect.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/ho...9-death-count/

Doctors and hospital workers called into many talk shows stating how they got extra money for COVID. So who should I believe? The frontline workers or the propogandist folks.