Rants and Raves

[SkyWookie]

Yes they did we have the numbers proving so.

Yeah that's in part why we are having these lockdowns to protect the vulnerable from this virus such as the elderly and other reason is there are life long health of getting COVID-19 regardless of age.

You have no proof of this.

Again no proof and you seem to be ignoring the basic fact these people would still be alive if they did not catch COVID-19.


There's actually a good reason for this coffins are expensive and are made for show at funerals which most people couldn't have due to the lockdowns.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2020/04/21/how-the-pandemic-is-killing-the-death-business/?sh=1407717a6c64

The CDC said so, do you not consider them a factual source? Or your brain can't wrap itself around the truth? Or you are just being a troll who likes to argue? I'm think the lase one, the cdc said after 6 months in that only 9700 people died from covid, all the rest had conditions that were already killing them. You see I actually care about the truth and the future of our country, you only care about trolling this thread, basically almost all of your posts are in this thread, you honestly don't contribute anything. Would you argue the earth was flat just so you could troll that too? I imagine you would.

People with stage 4 cancer who had days to live caught covid before dying and leftwing libtards were screaming "they died of covid!

It's a shame how people like yourself are making "idiocracy" a reality.

Hospitals as part of the rescue plan got money for every death certificate that listed cause of death as covid. Hospitals are businesses, even the CDC director acknowledged that hospitals "had a monetary incentive to overcount covid deaths".

Less people died of covid (by itself) than the flu, the cdc stated 42000 people died of covid (without already being on their deathbeds) while 47000 died of the flu. I already know you will argue that cancer patients and those who had only days to live should be counted as covid deaths but covid isn't what killed them. Your mentality is that if someone with covid gets hit by a car and dies covid is the cause of death, smh.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...navirus-deaths

[HobbyMan51]

Just because you can type doesn't mean you have any common sense or knowledge about being anything other than a forum troll. But hey you are good at it.

He's also way smarter than all of us and better looking too. He is everything! He is Superman! All hail The Rabbit!

It's useless, Sky. He's got an answer for everything, even if he's full of shit and he knows it. Fuck him.

[TheRabbit]

And contrary to belief millions of people did not die from covid last year.

Yes they did we have the numbers proving so.

Most of the people who died were already dying of cancer or had severe health issues.

Yeah that's in part why we are having these lockdowns to protect the vulnerable from this virus such as the elderly and other reason is there are life long health of getting COVID-19 regardless of age.

Most of the people who died were already on their way out.

You have no proof of this.

covid took them at best a "little early".

Again no proof and you seem to be ignoring the basic fact these people would still be alive if they did not catch COVID-19.

There was actually a declining coffin sales in 2020 compared to 2019.

There's actually a good reason for this coffins are expensive and are made for show at funerals which most people couldn't have due to the lockdowns.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2020/04/21/how-the-pandemic-is-killing-the-death-business/?sh=1407717a6c64

[GoneForGood97]

So funeral homes have large lumber expenses every year huh?

So funeral homes offer cremation services at an operating loss huh?

JeebusChristaMighty.

No idea what funeral homes lumber expenses are, nor do I care. I'm simply taking him at his word that he lost 10% and tried to rationalize it. I don't know how an investor takes a "10% loss in funerals and related items such as Caskets" when the average stock price of the top 4 funeral stocks went up an average of 173% in the past 12 months. (Service Corporation International, StoneMor Partners, Carriage Services, Park Lawn Corporation). Maybe he bet against it. Maybe he bought in during an earlier spike and sold at a loss when the market crashed this time last year.

I also don't follow the logic of someone investing in funeral services when they believe COVID to be an exaggerated phenomena. Hell, if anything, that person should bet against funeral stocks, and if COVID was overblown, made a small fortune when the stocks burst due to being overinflated from a "fake" pandemic. Instead, he claims to have invested in a market that by his own logic should crash (and therefore bet against his own beliefs and logic) and somehow lost money while that market was enjoying 3 digit gains. It's a weird paradox.

[SkyWookie]

Never would have thought that investing in caskets and funerals would be a smart thing to do.

It's a necessary evil, like grocery stores, people need to eat so they buy food, because this society isn't going to grow or raise their own. Well funerals homes require caskets, you'd think you could just be put in a wooden pine box, but the law says you can't, so caskets sell. And contrary to liberal belief millions of people did not die from covid last year. Most of the people who died were already dying of cancer or had severe health issues. 6 months into the pandemic the cdc reported only 9700 people died from cornavirus alone, so not many compared to say the flu. Most of the people who died were already on their way out and covid took them at best a "little early". I know libtards will be running around crying to their daddy's that touched them inappropriately when they were young after reading this but its the facts. There was actually a declinein coffin sales in 2020 compared to 2019.

[SkyWookie]

This only proves you suck at investment in this area, just because you didn't make a profit doesn't mean everyone else didn't.

Just because you can type doesn't mean you have any common sense or knowledge about being anything other than a forum troll. But hey you are good at it.

[Niteluvr]

I have money invested in funerals and related items such as Caskets and I lost 10% in 2020 on that part of my portfolio so I don't know where you get your information from but it wasn't a great year for that business at all.

Never would have thought that investing in caskets and funerals would be a smart thing to do.

[SirDiscreet]

Between an increase in preference for cremation services and the price of wood skyrocketing in 2020, losing 10% tracks.

So funeral homes have large lumber expenses every year huh?

So funeral homes offer cremation services at an operating loss huh?

JeebusChristaMighty.

[GoneForGood97]

I have money invested in funerals and related items such as Caskets and I lost 10% in 2020 on that part of my portfolio so I don't know where you get your information from but it wasn't a great year for that business at all.

Between an increase in preference for cremation services and the price of wood skyrocketing in 2020, losing 10% tracks.

[TheRabbit]

I have money invested in funerals and related items such as Caskets and I lost 10% in 2020 on that part of my portfolio so I don't know where you get your information from but it wasn't a great year for that business at all.

This only proves you suck at investment in this area, just because you didn't make a profit doesn't mean everyone else didn't.

[SkyWookie]

Not going to argue politics, no one is going to change their mind from anything posted in a fucking sex forum. However, this is when it really "hit" me that COVID wasn't overblown: I have 2 funeral homes as clients. One is a "larger" organization with parlors in multiple counties. The other is a solo in a medium sized city.

They both had the "best" year ever in their respective businesses in 2020. And not by a little bit. Let me put it this way: if you told me I could invest in a business now with the revenue growth these 2 businesses had in 12 months, I'd write that check in a second.

Believe what you want, but capitalism and the market will always tell.

I have money invested in funerals and related items such as Caskets and I lost 10% in 2020 on that part of my portfolio so I don't know where you get your information from but it wasn't a great year for that business at all.

[TheRabbit]

As you always do, chasing down common sense with your own particular brand of stupidity. And it's always Trump's fault too. When he shut down travel to and from China, Mighty Joe called him a racist while Pelosi-Witch partied in the streets. Just some more inconvenient truths that you always somehow manage to ignore to keep the fires of your pathetic agenda going.

Biden did not call Trump a racist, this what he actually said:

"We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump's record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency. ".

But Biden did not explicitly tie xenophobia to the travel restriction. His tweet reflects coronavirus remarks he made during a campaign stop in Iowa Jan. 31, the day the travel restrictions were announced.

He criticizing Trump poor handling of COVID-19 which Biden turn out to be completely about.

[GoneForGood97]

Not going to argue politics, no one is going to change their mind from anything posted in a fucking sex forum. However, this is when it really "hit" me that COVID wasn't overblown: I have 2 funeral homes as clients. One is a "larger" organization with parlors in multiple counties. The other is a solo in a medium sized city.

They both had the "best" year ever in their respective businesses in 2020. And not by a little bit. Let me put it this way: if you told me I could invest in a business now with the revenue growth these 2 businesses had in 12 months, I'd write that check in a second.

Believe what you want, but capitalism and the market will always tell.

[HobbyMan51]

Oh I don't think so, I currently busy right now to give a response but rest assured I have a few words to say of that idiotic statement.

As you always do, chasing down common sense with your own particular brand of stupidity. And it's always Trump's fault too. When he shut down travel to and from China, Mighty Joe called him a racist while Pelosi-Witch partied in the streets. Just some more inconvenient truths that you always somehow manage to ignore to keep the fires of your pathetic agenda going.

[TheRabbit]

This whole thing is about Power and Control. The WHO was a floundering, corrupt, almost nothing organization until Covid19. And the "Global death toll" is a farce. There are 2 words that you never here in this discussion, "Of" and "With"! I will grant you that hundreds of thousands of people have died "WITH" Covid19 but I guarantee you that that number is a minor percent when you say that they died "OF" Covid19.

It is a Fact that healthcare providers get more money for documenting Covid19 deaths. The other side is the control over populations that the virus gives the power hungry. Fear is another limiting factor that causes self imposed limits on group gatherings and there for less personal interaction and face to face information exchanges.

Our entire election system was thrown for a loop because of it and it continues to effect our lives now. The homeless population here is going to rise, there are already more people living in motels and with someone else who had their own stuff last year. People have lost their businesses and livelihoods through this "Pandemic".

Why are states like Texas and Florida with their "Open Society" approaches seeing less cases and states like Michigan with their "Closed Society" reporting more?

I believe it has much more to do with Money, Power and Control than most are willing to say. But I know a lot are thinking it by now (Even if you didn't in the beginning).

Here it is from the CDC (right now at 5:45 am 5/2/21) by the numbers:

Right now on the CDC website the numbers as reported from 1/4/20 - 4/25/21 are that 621,730 deaths have occurred overall (these are NOT Covid19 but the total number of deaths in the US over that period). They also state that the total number of Death Certificates reporting Covid19 as the cause of death is 557,486. Follow the numbers below and they just don't add up.

Of those, the following Comorbidities are listed; 45.9% (254,384) had Influenza & Pneumonia, 19.8% (109,768) Hypertension, 16% (88,925) Diabetes, 13.5% (75,194) Alzheimer and other Dementia & 9. 5%. (52,986) Sepsis. If you remove the Alzheimer / Dementia category (may not be an actual health issue but more mental, you get 506,063 total deaths and subtract the total from above and you end up with 115,667 deaths that COULD be the total deaths OF Covid19 over 16 months in the US. If you divide the number by 16 you end up with 7,229 monthly deaths and that my friends is nothing more than the normal INFLUENZA deaths we get annually in the United States.

To break it down even further: 80.2% are over 65,17. 2% are between 45 - 64 and only 2. 6% of the total deaths reported are under 45. When you get down to the younger groups it drops dramatically. SO WHY all the fuss over numbers like these? You tell me!

Just sayin' .

WHO has nothing to do with the CDC data I mentioned for 2020 a few posts ago.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

You do not include the link for the CDC website page where you claim to get your figures from but 621,730 deaths for the 477 day period is contradicted by the data I posted where close to 2. 7-2. 9 million Americans die every 365 days.

However its also just blatantly implausible from an actuarial standpoint. There are 331 million Americans. If the age pyramid was a perfect column you'd expect 1/79 Americans to die every year, equal to the life expectancy. Since it isn't a column and there are more young than old, it was about 1/114 in 2019 and even Covid-19 could only push it down to 1/99. His purported figure implies 475747 dead a year, which implies 1/696 Americans die each year. That's just mathematically impossible unless the vast majority of Americans are youth (not true) or they live to be over half a millennium old (not true).

Finally even if you were willing to accept "they were sickly elderly on their way out, who cares if we let them out a little early and more painfully" the death toll belies the true impact of Covid-19. The long-term effects of Covid-19 are unknown for obvious reasons, but given hospitalization rates I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the millions. Millions of Americans will likely suffer permanent negative effects from Covid-19, millions more will be affected by their relations to those permanently debilitated or dead. All for a disease that could've been stopped or at least minimized by competent effort as numerous countries around the world have proven able to do.

Then you have the economic damage. Trump's too little too late approach to lockdowns, far from saving the American economy, instead ensured that it would stay closed longer. The more people were getting sick, the more people chose to stay home, no matter how "open" Trump insisted on things officially being. If the administration had instead just accepted that things would be bad for a bit and had an early and overwhelming lockdown, it would've saved months of scared-consumer-enforced quasi-lockdowns. Once again there are dozens of countries around the world that were able to safely reboot their economy sooner. Trillions in avoidable damages, which in a capitalist scarcity society equals even more dead.

I might add that the biggest enabler of the WHO was Donald Trump. Before him, the WHO kinda followed the CDC's lead, because they're the well funded health apparatus of the global superpower. Trump's "have the federal government do nothing and let God sort them out" approach to pandemic management meant that the WHO was forced to take the lead where they otherwise would not have, just as the states were forced to get their own tests and vaccinations and everything without assistance or facing outright sabotage.

Also some death counts relative to prior years for American locations
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total-promo-1588123095036/coronavirus-death-toll-total-promo-1588123095036-superJumbo-v3.jpg

Or an example in Italy too:
https://voxeu.org/sites/default/files/image/FromMay2014/ciminelli22aprilfig1.png

Or elsewhere:
https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2F4dee8c60-9702-11eb-9838-33ecf8170d91-fullwidth.png?dpr=1&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=1260

Chart after chart after chart shows the same story, of daily deaths from all-causes in countries suddenly spiking dramatically from historic norms without explanation, at exactly the periods Covid-19 waves were hitting those nations, with the only exceptions being nations that successfully largely managed Covid-19 like South Korea, Norway, or Germany. Unless you decide to just regard all death data from any country anywhere, data that comes from tons of different sources around the world to be garbage you need to have an explanation as to why daily deaths were dramatically higher in nations around the world at exactly the points Covid-19 was most feverish but somehow be unrelated to Covid-19 entirely.