BBFS Reports

[Chicago41]

Hi all. So I was unsure on posting this but I think I should to at least make me feel better. Ok I have a background in, let's say, helping people and my background helps me read people quite well. So. I saw Macie about a week ago. I'm going to say what I think and also going to say what she told me.

This is a good reminder that the most important thing is always "don't be a douche". Really, it's not hard.

[ChiTownP]

Thanks for posting. I've seen her numerous times and I agree 100% with your assessment. She has also told me about her fears of the guys that NCNS.

I hope that some guys get the hint and leave her alone.

Hi all. So I was unsure on posting this but I think I should to at least make me feel better. Ok I have a background in, let's say, helping people and my background helps me read people quite well. So. I saw Macie about a week ago. I'm going to say what I think and also going to say what she told me.

As far as her. I think she isn't as submissive so much as she's scared / eager to please. Even her set up (the swing, fountain, lights, porn) all that is to please us but also to distract us. Also as many on here and ER site have said she's constantly saying "is this ok" "I'm open to anything" "thank you for trying me" etc. She's literally.

Saying don't be mean or hurt me I'll do just about anything for you.

Now on to what she said. This was info that I didn't try to find out she was more giving me the rundown since I was a new client. She said twice that she does not want to be peed on. Also she said she gets scared when clients make appointment then don't show up. In fact she mentioned being "scared" numerous times. Finally she said (I'm paraphrasing) some guys show up drunk or high and can't perform and then they get mad and it scares me".

Be honest with yourself and if you fit any of these then maybe that's why she's not returning your calls. I thought she was very cute (I didn't like the wig) but once I figured out how her submissiveness is actually fear it kinda makes me feel bad and I probabaly won't repeat. Don't kill the messenger on this one. I'm relaying all I felt I learned but more importantly what she said. I turn off my work instinct in normal life but the signs were just to much. Think about it. Have you even been to a provider with fountains and porn and disco lights and all that shit? Even her price point in my opinion is to make us happy. I know it's a weird dichotomy for her to be in the biz yet be scared of clients but it is what it is. Again these are my observations only. She's a cool girl. But being aggressive with her or drunk etc is pretty much going to guarantee a no call after. Ok peace and be cool.

[Finn13]

Hi all. So I was unsure on posting this but I think I should to at least make me feel better. Ok I have a background in, let's say, helping people and my background helps me read people quite well. So. I saw Macie about a week ago. I'm going to say what I think and also going to say what she told me.

As far as her. I think she isn't as submissive so much as she's scared / eager to please. Even her set up (the swing, fountain, lights, porn) all that is to please us but also to distract us. Also as many on here and ER site have said she's constantly saying "is this ok" "I'm open to anything" "thank you for trying me" etc. She's literally.

Saying don't be mean or hurt me I'll do just about anything for you.

Now on to what she said. This was info that I didn't try to find out she was more giving me the rundown since I was a new client. She said twice that she does not want to be peed on. Also she said she gets scared when clients make appointment then don't show up. In fact she mentioned being "scared" numerous times. Finally she said (I'm paraphrasing) some guys show up drunk or high and can't perform and then they get mad and it scares me".

Be honest with yourself and if you fit any of these then maybe that's why she's not returning your calls. I thought she was very cute (I didn't like the wig) but once I figured out how her submissiveness is actually fear it kinda makes me feel bad and I probabaly won't repeat. Don't kill the messenger on this one. I'm relaying all I felt I learned but more importantly what she said. I turn off my work instinct in normal life but the signs were just to much. Think about it. Have you even been to a provider with fountains and porn and disco lights and all that shit? Even her price point in my opinion is to make us happy. I know it's a weird dichotomy for her to be in the biz yet be scared of clients but it is what it is. Again these are my observations only. She's a cool girl. But being aggressive with her or drunk etc is pretty much going to guarantee a no call after. Ok peace and be cool.

[Sagka]

Thank you all for the tips, I will let you know this weekend. Really appreciate it.

[ChiTownGuy23]

Is she still dark? Been trying to see her for ages, but get no respond.

Nope. I saw her last Thursday. She said her listcrawler account was hacked and she tried contacting whoever runs the site to get the issue resolved but she said there's nothing they can do. She has been posting on Eros and Rubratings but she says most of her clients only check Listcrawler so they never see her ads on any of the other sites she posts on and she hasn't seen a lot of her regulars lately.

[Castlerae]

Lots of DATY. It isn't a guarantee, but it seems to work for me more often than not.

I once went to see a provider I'd met off of AFF (yeah, *way* back in the old days) and thought to 'warm her up' I'd do DATY on her. Twice she wrapped her legs around my head and acted like she was going to try breaking my neck, but when it came time for me to have fun, the cover came out and there was no appeal to wearing it. Same thing happened every time I saw her. Meanwhile, I saw a woman at an AMP who like my FIV talents enough that she decided to show her appreciation by 'camel sliding' me. She did about five slide before I slipped inside. She rode it for a minute or so before realizing what she was doing and getting me covered, but it was a nice moment. Bottom line, some women will go with the moment, while others are there for the money and whether they enjoy it is unimportant.

[Sagka]

Is she still dark? Been trying to see her for ages, but get no respond.

[Luv Nooke2]

Can you or Jinurso recall this strategy working on girls that advertise that bb, BBFS, or BBBJ isn't available? Or are you targeting the ones that list themselves as "open minded"?

I don't recall ever making an appointment with a girl who did advertise BBFS! In fact, some who have given me that experience state publicly that it's not available. As others have said, it's always an organic development. I don't always wait for the BBBJ, I'm happy to start with DATY to let her know I want to make her feel good. That rarely fails in me having a good time. As others have said, if I get BBBJ and DATY then BBFS is very likely to follow. I have never paid an upcharge for it.

[DWill]

My experience has been if you treat them like a female who is there for pleasure also (with respect) and go back multiple times BBFS just happens. Especially with number 4 above. My only comment is that I never believe the "I rarely do this" line. If the woman is attractive and still in business at age 30+ that means she has regulars (including me) and we all are getting BBFS. New guys who only see her once or once a year aren't getting it, but the true regulars are.

I have to agree with most of the advice given so far on this topic. I have one regular where we are BB and have been for years. She's young, sexy as hell and I'm sure has a couple regulars. I know she's not heavy traffic in general but definitely has a couple regular friends. With that said to piggy back on a theory already thrown out. I had an encounter the other day with a "friend" that I've seen maybe 3 times now. Everything has been BBBJ to CFS. The last time we were together she whispered in my ear during CFS mid act that "it would be sexy for me to come in her". That's her words. Now I didn't at the time I finished CFS. But to the point made by a couple guys here it happens organically. I know based on the vibe and her spurt of the moment that if I wanted to we could go BBFS next time. Again she isn't high traffic only has a couple "friends" which she is very open about. So long story longer I know I have that option if I so choose.

[Jinurso]

My experience has been if you treat them like a female who is there for pleasure also (with respect) and go back multiple times BBFS just happens. Especially with number 4 above. My only comment is that I never believe the "I rarely do this" line. If the woman is attractive and still in business at age 30+ that means she has regulars (including me) and we all are getting BBFS. New guys who only see her once or once a year aren't getting it, but the true regulars are.

That's another benefit of that approach. If it's organic, there's no upcharge. The only times I've ever paid extra for BB was with the girls who advertise it, who I only find on this thread. Every other girl it just happened with, we might have an "oops" type conversation but never a "you should give me more money" conversation, even when she says she should get a Plan B.

[Lance18]

The last couple of years I can divide the women I've seen into four categories:

1. Women on this thread, who I know do bb. I don't count them because they know they do it. That's pretty much the only time I use LC or STG.

2. Sugar babies. They don't mention sex in their ads so I don't target them on anything but their pictures and whether they are crazy.

3. Multi-girl incalls. They don't even advertise sex so I'm completely on my own as to whether they'll even fuck much less do bb.

4. Higher end girls on places like p411. They also rarely explicitly advertise sex so I don't know what will happen until I get there. Sometimes they have reviews on the other site but the other side frowns on mentioning BBFS so you rarely see it in reviews even if it happens.

I use that technique all the time on 2,3,4. Works almost every time with 2, maybe half the time with 3, and a little more than half with 4.

My experience has been if you treat them like a female who is there for pleasure also (with respect) and go back multiple times BBFS just happens. Especially with number 4 above. My only comment is that I never believe the "I rarely do this" line. If the woman is attractive and still in business at age 30+ that means she has regulars (including me) and we all are getting BBFS. New guys who only see her once or once a year aren't getting it, but the true regulars are.

[FafaFooey]

The last couple of years I can divide the women I've seen into four categories:


2. Sugar babies. They don't mention sex in their ads so I don't target them on anything but their pictures and whether they are crazy.

I use that technique all the time on 2,3,4. Works almost every time with 2, maybe half the time with 3, and a little more than half with 4.

Agree on your #2. In decades of mongering pre SA, I can count on one hand the number of times BBFS was even suggested. In a few years on and off of SA every single SB I saw more than once offered or even asked for BBFS. But like you replied earlier, this never happened through pre negotiation but organically in the 'heat of the moment'. I'm personally put off by girls who put BBFS on a menu or set a rate. Yes, I know even the 'safe' girls are out there doing it with someone, but the idea that a provider is going bare with any and everyone who can pony up a certain amount is just not a picture I want going into a session.

[Jinurso]

Can you or Jinurso recall this strategy working on girls that advertise that bb, BBFS, or BBBJ isn't available? Or are you targeting the ones that list themselves as "open minded"?

The last couple of years I can divide the women I've seen into four categories:

1. Women on this thread, who I know do bb. I don't count them because they know they do it. That's pretty much the only time I use LC or STG.

2. Sugar babies. They don't mention sex in their ads so I don't target them on anything but their pictures and whether they are crazy.

3. Multi-girl incalls. They don't even advertise sex so I'm completely on my own as to whether they'll even fuck much less do bb.

4. Higher end girls on places like p411. They also rarely explicitly advertise sex so I don't know what will happen until I get there. Sometimes they have reviews on the other site but the other side frowns on mentioning BBFS so you rarely see it in reviews even if it happens.

I use that technique all the time on 2,3,4. Works almost every time with 2, maybe half the time with 3, and a little more than half with 4.

[LongDStyle]

That's how it has always worked for me, treat her like a hot woman who turns you on. Lots of kissing, caressing and exploring her body. Most girls who enjoy my DATY, and I take my time at it, let me in. Before you know it your little head is rubbing her wet lips. She'll let you know if you can keep going. I've had girls give me BBFS who said they rarely do that but the moment felt right. Treat her like a girl!

Discussion and negotiation ahead of time is a serious buzz kill!

Can you or Jinurso recall this strategy working on girls that advertise that bb, BBFS, or BBBJ isn't available? Or are you targeting the ones that list themselves as "open minded"?

[RideMyFace]

You'll get different answers from different people. Some guys here are very upfront about it and will just make an offer or ask what the upcharge is and see what happens. Some guys will do the same thing but make it more of an ultimatum.

Personally, I never bring up the subject unless it is an explicit part of her menu and I knew that going in. Instead I try to get her so turned on that she just lets it happen naturally. Long foreplay helps. Lots of DATY. It isn't a guarantee, but it seems to work for me more often than not.

As usual Jinurso has some sage wisdom. I fully agree with his methods, this can work wonders if you have any chemistry with the provider. To be honest I generally only see providers who at least allow BBJ and DATY, if you can eat them out (and are good) you can go bare a lot of the time. I would say 3/4's or more of the girls I've seen who allow BBJ and DATY end up letting me go BBFS, even if they don't normally do it, it can be had surprisingly often. Sometimes if they protest, a tip can help change their mind.