Rants and Raves

[Scorpio1982]

How can you say that it is obvious that this is a coverup? That is some grade A conspiracy there. Yes, the cop who said he had a bad day is likely racist or at least relates better to a white boy than Asian women victims (which is still not okay). But the cops aren't covering up for some poor white kid to let him off easy. That's crazy talk. Nobody goes from Acworth to Piedmont AMPs just to shoot Asians. Based on the facts in this case, how is the sex addiction reason less believable than your supposed "I hate Asian women" reason?

I just hate that this dickhead was trying to stop mongering by killing innocent people who were just making a living. I bet the fed will try to jump in now and investigate and even shut AMPs down.

[Grover13]

It's pretty obvious the "sex addiction" is a coverup so he doesn't get hate crime charges. The police are already covering for him saying he "had a bad day. " Pretty sure people were marching all summer 2020 trying to tell you these police can't be trusted.The Korean consulate is already involved, so it's going to become an international incident.

How can you say that it is obvious that this is a coverup? That is some grade A conspiracy there. Yes, the cop who said he had a bad day is likely racist or at least relates better to a white boy than Asian women victims (which is still not okay). But the cops aren't covering up for some poor white kid to let him off easy. That's crazy talk. Nobody goes from Acworth to Piedmont AMPs just to shoot Asians. Based on the facts in this case, how is the sex addiction reason less believable than your supposed "I hate Asian women" reason?

[Grover13]

I hope you folks don't mind another out of stater offering his thoughts on this issue. I came by here mostly looking for an answer to the question of what the female customer was doing at an AMP. I thank Wiseacre and BBInsider for providing an answer.

According to the sheriff, the shooter says he was fighting temptation. He was raised as a fundamentalist Baptist and was active in the church as a youth. My speculation is that he learned a lot of guilt around sex and could not deal with his own needs. That should tell us something about society that is worthy of contemplation. I don't think it is enough just to dismiss this as the act of one crazy guy.

But the fact remains that he targeted Asian sex workers, when there are so many types of sex workers that he could have gone after. Why the AMPs. From what has been in the paper, it sounds like he went to AMPs to get his release. So, no, he did not go hunting random Asians, he picked Asians who were associated in his mind with his sexual compulsion and his guilt. Did he fetishize Asian women, which I've seen occasionally in posts in these fora? And why is there this specialized industry of AMPs, while at least in parts of the country I am familiar with, most other types of massage parlors offering sexual release have been driven out of business. Why have the AMPs survived and flourished? It is clearly not because they dominate the sex industry. On the streets, in strip clubs, in the escort fields, Asian women are in the minority. What is is about massage business that has enabled them to dominate? I don't have the answer, I'm just asking questions, trying to find a more nuanced way of thinking about this situation other than the extremes of "Asians were killed so it was obviously racist" on the one hand, and the idea that raising race is twisting the issue.

To close, the one thing that did strike me as most racist was the way the sheriff spoke, displaying so much understanding of the poor white kid who could not deal with his sexual urges while showing so little concern for the victims. Now, you can prove me wrong on this if you can show me clips of him reacting the same way to a shooting by a black kid.

The guy went to AMPs because they are probably the easiest most convenient (and possibly cheapest) way to get sexual gratification. Where else can a loner get a release for $100 or less? True that it's probably not right to dismiss the kid as just crazy. He was certainly driven to guilt by our puritanical society and his Baptist upbringing. I don't want to knock the Church because it serves a purpose but the reality is that the US has stigmatized sex workers for centuries and that certainly added to this guys guilt. The real hate crime was against sex workers in my opinion. That message doesn't serve left wing (or even right wing) America, but that's the truth. He killed these women because he went to these spas and couldn't control himself or his guilt. He felt guilty b / c our society says he is supposed to feel guilty. Same reason he was going to Florida to shoot up the porn industry. If he had more money and was seeing white Atlanta dominatrixes (who are $350/ hr and thus not as convenient to this guy) he would have shot them instead. Again, his hatred was 100% for sex workers, AND NOT Asians. If we want to say it was a hate crime, let's get the hate right and point the finger at a country that has stigmatized sex workers. That will never happen though. Instead, the liberal media has another great sound byte to spread the continual fertilizing of its self serving fallacy that we all hate each other in America.

[HaneDales]

Correction to your last sentence: or shooting of a black kid by police. Just to correct some facts of how we do things in the atl. What happened is a tragedy. The police industry is bunch of pigs. Yes they are human and have good / bad but police and prison system is systematically run by a racist white men. That's history in a nutshell for ya.

I hope you folks don't mind another out of stater offering his thoughts on this issue. I came by here mostly looking for an answer to the question of what the female customer was doing at an AMP. I thank Wiseacre and BBInsider for providing an answer.

According to the sheriff, the shooter says he was fighting temptation. He was raised as a fundamentalist Baptist and was active in the church as a youth. My speculation is that he learned a lot of guilt around sex and could not deal with his own needs. That should tell us something about society that is worthy of contemplation. I don't think it is enough just to dismiss this as the act of one crazy guy.

But the fact remains that he targeted Asian sex workers, when there are so many types of sex workers that he could have gone after. Why the AMPs. From what has been in the paper, it sounds like he went to AMPs to get his release. So, no, he did not go hunting random Asians, he picked Asians who were associated in his mind with his sexual compulsion and his guilt. Did he fetishize Asian women, which I've seen occasionally in posts in these fora? And why is there this specialized industry of AMPs, while at least in parts of the country I am familiar with, most other types of massage parlors offering sexual release have been driven out of business. Why have the AMPs survived and flourished? It is clearly not because they dominate the sex industry. On the streets, in strip clubs, in the escort fields, Asian women are in the minority. What is is about massage business that has enabled them to dominate? I don't have the answer, I'm just asking questions, trying to find a more nuanced way of thinking about this situation other than the extremes of "Asians were killed so it was obviously racist" on the one hand, and the idea that raising race is twisting the issue.

To close, the one thing that did strike me as most racist was the way the sheriff spoke, displaying so much understanding of the poor white kid who could not deal with his sexual urges while showing so little concern for the victims. Now, you can prove me wrong on this if you can show me clips of him reacting the same way to a shooting by a black kid.

[Niteluvr]

Murder is an act of hatred.

Yes, it is. Murder is always an act of hatred, jealousy or indifference. Those are surface features. It you dwell on just that, you're focused only on your agenda and you'll never get to the root cause.

Try to open your brain up the the larger issues!

[TheBadGuy]

I've never gotten political on this board before, but the (liberal) National Media wants this to be a hate crime.

MSNBC is even doubting the perp's own confession that he's a sex addict and himself saying This is not a hate crime. T doesn't fit their immediate narrative that this is a hate crime. That way they can blame Trump's "China Virus" talk, and blame Republicans. And find something slanderous to report, because they sure don't want to have to report on the border crisis or Cuomo. They want to keep the Anti-Trump story going.

This whole story would take on a "George Flynn" life of it's own if the perp had not survived. Now the regretful liberal media is having to backtrack, or at least slow down, all of the "hate crime" talk.

He told the police that he's been to the Spas there many times before for Sex.

I believe him he guy is a crazy sex addict that snap I don't think has anything to do with them being Asian.

He was Fucking them Just give him the death sentence.

But I garrentee Police Feds Shut those Places down Gold Spa Aroma thererphy and St James spa near each other I've been to them Had Sex with beautiful Asians iam sorry this happen there just trying to make a living those bussiness.

It's pretty obvious the "sex addiction" is a coverup so he doesn't get hate crime charges. The police are already covering for him saying he "had a bad day. " Pretty sure people were marching all summer 2020 trying to tell you these police can't be trusted.

The Korean consulate is already involved, so it's going to become an international incident.

[ReggieGod]

He told the police that he's been to the Spas there many times before for Sex.

I believe him he guy is a crazy sex addict that snap I don't think has anything to do with them being Asian.

He was Fucking them Just give him the death sentence.

But I garrentee Police Feds Shut those Places down Gold Spa Aroma thererphy and St James spa near each other I've been to them Had Sex with beautiful Asians iam sorry this happen there just trying to make a living those bussiness.

[IOnlyCip]

I've never gotten political on this board before, but the (liberal) National Media wants this to be a hate crime.

MSNBC is even doubting the perp's own confession that he's a sex addict and himself saying This is not a hate crime. T doesn't fit their immediate narrative that this is a hate crime. That way they can blame Trump's "China Virus" talk, and blame Republicans. And find something slanderous to report, because they sure don't want to have to report on the border crisis or Cuomo. They want to keep the Anti-Trump story going.

This whole story would take on a "George Flynn" life of it's own if the perp had not survived. Now the regretful liberal media is having to backtrack, or at least slow down, all of the "hate crime" talk.

The Left only buys what they sale! And what they sell is delusions and bull shit!

Why does 1/2 of our world live in a hazed world of fictional bullshit?

[LookingForLefty]

There are plenty of CAMPs that do more legit business than you might imagine, particularly in areas where there is a lot of money and the location doesn't look creepy.

After getting to know some of the spa mamasans they told me they do get some legit business. Many have gift certificates, offer couples massages and some get some regular women customers. They are real uncomfortable about giving extras to women. I don't know any that do. Even the gay women who work these places don't like to. I've been in when a couple or a woman was there. Most are totally ignorant about what the other 99% are there for. I've been some AMPs that are very legit and will only have one girl who will do the extras while the other half dozen are focused on being a real therapist.

[Mr Mike1952]

I hope you folks don't mind another out of stater offering his thoughts on this issue. I came by here mostly looking for an answer to the question of what the female customer was doing at an AMP. I thank Wiseacre and BBInsider for providing an answer.

According to the sheriff, the shooter says he was fighting temptation. He was raised as a fundamentalist Baptist and was active in the church as a youth. My speculation is that he learned a lot of guilt around sex and could not deal with his own needs. That should tell us something about society that is worthy of contemplation. I don't think it is enough just to dismiss this as the act of one crazy guy.

But the fact remains that he targeted Asian sex workers, when there are so many types of sex workers that he could have gone after. Why the AMPs. From what has been in the paper, it sounds like he went to AMPs to get his release. So, no, he did not go hunting random Asians, he picked Asians who were associated in his mind with his sexual compulsion and his guilt. Did he fetishize Asian women, which I've seen occasionally in posts in these fora? And why is there this specialized industry of AMPs, while at least in parts of the country I am familiar with, most other types of massage parlors offering sexual release have been driven out of business. Why have the AMPs survived and flourished? It is clearly not because they dominate the sex industry. On the streets, in strip clubs, in the escort fields, Asian women are in the minority. What is is about massage business that has enabled them to dominate? I don't have the answer, I'm just asking questions, trying to find a more nuanced way of thinking about this situation other than the extremes of "Asians were killed so it was obviously racist" on the one hand, and the idea that raising race is twisting the issue.

To close, the one thing that did strike me as most racist was the way the sheriff spoke, displaying so much understanding of the poor white kid who could not deal with his sexual urges while showing so little concern for the victims. Now, you can prove me wrong on this if you can show me clips of him reacting the same way to a shooting by a black kid.

First, I haven't been on these boards in years but I use to participate and this was the first place I decided to look for news. Second, this whole thing was a senseless killing of innocent people by a crazy guy. Third, I want to respectfully challenge all of the hate crime sentiment that is being thrown around. Again, this guy was a crazy guy who I have no doubt was motivated by the industry and whatever weird temptations he felt. If he was gay and these were gay spas with homosexual men who were shot, that would be called a hate crime. If this industry was Hispanic, it would be called a hate crime. If it was white women, it would be called a misogynistic hate crime. Correlation is not causation. If he hated asians, he would have gone to Buford highway and shot up a flea market or a Ramen noodle shop. This was Spa specific and spas happen to be run by Asian women. Why does everything have to be twisted to prove there is hatred in this country?

[OopaRam]

It's a tragedy what happened. I think people will return to some normalcy in a few weeks.

I personally can't wait for the dust to settle. In the meantime, girls in other parlors need to make a living too. Help support them in our normal caring loving hugging way.

[SkyWookie]

It's a tragedy what happened. I think people will return to some normalcy in a few weeks.

Yes it will because Americans care in the moment, but quickly forget murders, do a search of Atlanta and look at higher profile murders and say to yourself "oh yeah forgot about that". In a month nobody will have this on their minds, it's just the facts, I'm not being mean, but in this country murder is forgotten, we've become numb to it.

[Niteluvr]

First, I haven't been on these boards in years but I use to participate and this was the first place I decided to look for news. Second, this whole thing was a senseless killing of innocent people by a crazy guy. Third, I want to respectfully challenge all of the hate crime sentiment that is being thrown around. Again, this guy was a crazy guy who I have no doubt was motivated by the industry and whatever weird temptations he felt. If he was gay and these were gay spas with homosexual men who were shot, that would be called a hate crime. If this industry was Hispanic, it would be called a hate crime. If it was white women, it would be called a misogynistic hate crime. Correlation is not causation. If he hated asians, he would have gone to Buford highway and shot up a flea market or a Ramen noodle shop. This was Spa specific and spas happen to be run by Asian women. Why does everything have to be twisted to prove there is hatred in this country?

I agree. I think it's wrong to label this as a hate crime as the guy could have gone into an Asian church or Asian store and wiped out a lot more people.

[Petey1015]

The dude who wrote the hate-crime law says it could be, but because they are 'random' women and not because they are Chinese or Korean. They were there. Makes America see them as humans and not objects. Had it been Norcross Latinas and Koreans, there'd be no national outcry. And there should be. We'll see what happens.

Murder is an act of hatred.

[Bbinsider]

This is the first story I've seen so far on these very unfortunate murders that has dove deeper into what our AMPs provide:

https://news.yahoo.com/atlanta-spa-s...193108321.html

And by the way, I'm wondering, was Youngs (a CAMP, I'm told) known as much for its "legit" massages as otherwise. The presence of the Caucasian woman customer who was shot would seem to indicate as much.

Extra were definitely available. As far as CAMPs go, the menu was fairly open. I have notice a trend of CAMPs appealing to more women for legit massages, especially in the suburbs.