Rants and Raves

[Member #2227]

Who is this guy sending random PM's to senior members. Just generally being a jerk I guess? Can somebody bounce him for being a troll?

Anyone else getting irritated by him?

[GreatWallGuy]

I know for a fact Mongers are idiots. How? Educate yourself with an ORR (Open Records Request) on your favorite AMP bust.

Thanks for the tip Stacy.

[BillDavis007]

Police say all kinds of ridiculous (but constitutional) things to intimidate people. Don't be the idiot who falls for it.

I know for a fact Mongers are idiots. How? Educate yourself with an ORR (Open Records Request) on your favorite AMP bust.

[Runon99]

I know for a fact the police have advised suspected mongers they would stop by residences around 530 6 to do a follow up interview.

Police say all kinds of ridiculous things to intimidate people. Don't be the idiot who falls for it.

[PunkedLife]

Dude, is the sky blue in your world? You can't sue a cop for coming to your door and saying they have questions about your being seen at Susie's spa. They can't come inside without a warrant, and you don't have to talk with them, but it still opens a whole can of worms if you have any family ("why WON'T you talk to the police?)

Also, particularly down here in the Bible Belt, you think there are a lot of ACLU oriented judges who won't take the cops' word or support their actions? Come on. For something like this, where both the left and right have that rare meeting of the minds, if it becomes a big issue, you're going to find yourself pretty alone.

I agree that your best approach is to give no info, but just as importantly, do it in a respectful way. You're right in that most cops, when its said and done, dont care too much about the issue (campaigns are usually pushed by brass and politicians), but if they feel you are disrespecting them, they WILL try to
f you up.

If your wife is asking you why you refuse to speak to a cop then you got a dumb wife. I'm just saying. It's common knowledge not to speak to a cop about anything. At the end of the day they just want to solve solve case and it don't matter if they got an innocent person and definitely have no qualms planting evidence. Sht I didn't sged a tear when the news reported 2 FBI agents didn't make it the other day. Karma is a btch.

[The Wiseacre]

Cops will say all kinds of stuff on the scene, because 99% of the time they're dealing with people whose lives are already shitty, and they're just desperate to make whatever's going to happen less terrible. So I'm sure it works with, say, Joe Bricklayer, who can't last more than a week without a job. Desperate times give the cops a TON of leverage. The other 1% of the time are either the actual hardened criminals who know what's up, or the slick suits with ten lawyers on speed dial.

O.

As noted, shut the fuck up if a cop comes to your door. If he talks shit to your SO or kids or anyone else and you catch him doing it, you're just going to lie anyway to your family and CYA. This kind of shit really does not happen in Real Life. Cops do not come and do some long winded "investigation" trying to pin you for solicitation. Unless of course they have you on camera doing it. And by then Homeland Security are probably involved and it's a true sting. You know, like the kind they bust occasionally on escorts running brothels out of an apartment and the neighbors have complained.

This almost never happens at an AMP. The kind of thing that nabbed Kraft was a fringe case, and very expensive. If it were easy to take down AMPs, cops would do it a lot more.

For those of us who have actually lawyered up (too many times) against the stupid: yes, it can be expensive in some cases. But in almost any case involving an AMP, barring video evidence, cops aren't going to take a monger down. Dozens and dozens of AMPs in the MSA of Atlanta and how many in Fulton County and Cobb County have been shut down in the past five years? A tiny number, go look it up.

Also, I have warned my family literally dozens (if not more) of times to never talk to the cops without a lawyer present. It would not surprise them at all if a cop showed up at my door and I told them I needed my lawyer. Live and learn, kids.

[Ozymandias]

Dude, is the sky blue in your world? You can't sue a cop for coming to your door and saying they have questions about your being seen at Susie's spa. They can't come inside without a warrant, and you don't have to talk with them, but it still opens a whole can of worms if you have any family ("why WON'T you talk to the police?)
.

You can sue the police for intentional infliction of emotional distress; it's all case law, but it's doable. In a small town or podunk county, sure, I can see how it would be inadvisable, but if you're ornery enough, the tools are available!

That said, unless there's some kind of weird personal beef, like you're That Monger the cop has been after for years (kind of like a version of Les Miserables), it's simply never going to come to pass that a cop will visit your house just to fuck with your family situation.

Cops will say all kinds of stuff on the scene, because 99% of the time they're dealing with people whose lives are already shitty, and they're just desperate to make whatever's going to happen less terrible. So I'm sure it works with, say, Joe Bricklayer, who can't last more than a week without a job. Desperate times give the cops a TON of leverage. The other 1% of the time are either the actual hardened criminals who know what's up, or the slick suits with ten lawyers on speed dial.

O.

[Niteluvr]

A warrantless cop can go fuck himself.

IF cops have advised "suspected mongers" of this, it's a lie and is purely done as an intimidation tactic. There is no way, period, a judge is issuing a warrant so a cop can go do a "follow up interview" at someone's house. Pure blowing smoke.

I mean I would love it if they were stupid enough to actually try it, because I would lawyer up and sue. I'd happily blow a million dollars just to destroy the life of a cop who tried to intimidate me.

Here's the thing: it's actually pretty hard to prosecute a monger, unless they're stupid enough to cooperate. What DOES work is the threat of inconvenience; being delayed in a raid, for example, or even arrested (because cops can certainly arrest someone at the scene of a suspected crime, even if there's no chance of a charge sticking. It's still 6-8 hours of a person's life wasted.).

It's probably worth mentioning, but you never talk to a cop. Ever. If they actually pull you off a hooker so that your dick makes a popping sound as it slides out and kind of vibrates with a twang, and she's literally holding a wad of cash in her hand, you still just remain stonily silent. Everything goes through your lawyer. You sign NOTHING, you say NOTHING, ever.

O.

See there, Marty? Your post lacked any evidence to support your claim. If you're ever arrested, be sure your court-appointed defence attorney is ready to plead the 'vibrating twang' defence. It has never failed (as far as we know)!

[AllTheTime]

A warrantless cop can go fuck himself.

IF cops have advised "suspected mongers" of this, it's a lie and is purely done as an intimidation tactic. There is no way, period, a judge is issuing a warrant so a cop can go do a "follow up interview" at someone's house. Pure blowing smoke.

I mean I would love it if they were stupid enough to actually try it, because I would lawyer up and sue. I'd happily blow a million dollars just to destroy the life of a cop who tried to intimidate me.

Here's the thing: it's actually pretty hard to prosecute a monger, unless they're stupid enough to cooperate. What DOES work is the threat of inconvenience; being delayed in a raid, for example, or even arrested (because cops can certainly arrest someone at the scene of a suspected crime, even if there's no chance of a charge sticking. It's still 6-8 hours of a person's life wasted.).

It's probably worth mentioning, but you never talk to a cop. Ever. If they actually pull you off a hooker so that your dick makes a popping sound as it slides out and kind of vibrates with a twang, and she's literally holding a wad of cash in her hand, you still just remain stonily silent. Everything goes through your lawyer. You sign NOTHING, you say NOTHING, ever.

O.

Dude, is the sky blue in your world? You can't sue a cop for coming to your door and saying they have questions about your being seen at Susie's spa. They can't come inside without a warrant, and you don't have to talk with them, but it still opens a whole can of worms if you have any family ("why WON'T you talk to the police?)

Also, particularly down here in the Bible Belt, you think there are a lot of ACLU oriented judges who won't take the cops' word or support their actions? Come on. For something like this, where both the left and right have that rare meeting of the minds, if it becomes a big issue, you're going to find yourself pretty alone.

I agree that your best approach is to give no info, but just as importantly, do it in a respectful way. You're right in that most cops, when its said and done, dont care too much about the issue (campaigns are usually pushed by brass and politicians), but if they feel you are disrespecting them, they WILL try to
f you up.

[Ozymandias]

I know for a fact the police have advised suspected mongers they would stop by residences around 530 6 to do a follow up interview. You do have a right to remain silent. But they also have the right to do a follow up investigation. It will be up to you to explain to the wife why the " nice officers" stopped by.

A warrantless cop can go fuck himself.

IF cops have advised "suspected mongers" of this, it's a lie and is purely done as an intimidation tactic. There is no way, period, a judge is issuing a warrant so a cop can go do a "follow up interview" at someone's house. Pure blowing smoke.

I mean I would love it if they were stupid enough to actually try it, because I would lawyer up and sue. I'd happily blow a million dollars just to destroy the life of a cop who tried to intimidate me.

Here's the thing: it's actually pretty hard to prosecute a monger, unless they're stupid enough to cooperate. What DOES work is the threat of inconvenience; being delayed in a raid, for example, or even arrested (because cops can certainly arrest someone at the scene of a suspected crime, even if there's no chance of a charge sticking. It's still 6-8 hours of a person's life wasted.).

It's probably worth mentioning, but you never talk to a cop. Ever. If they actually pull you off a hooker so that your dick makes a popping sound as it slides out and kind of vibrates with a twang, and she's literally holding a wad of cash in her hand, you still just remain stonily silent. Everything goes through your lawyer. You sign NOTHING, you say NOTHING, ever.

O.

[Niteluvr]

https://www.facebook.com/purplelc/po...58601261146865

I would never worry about being busted as a monger if a raid happened. If the raid happens, they will have to prove that you paid for a sex act and most likely if they come in and raid while you are banging away, you haven't even paid yet. Like SkyWookie said, they only arrest the girls. If they arrest you, don't talk to LE. Say nothing except, "I need to talk to my attorney" whenever you are questioned about anything. If the place gets busted and you aren't there but are contacted by LE after the fact, tell them that they can speak with your attorney. If you can't afford an attorney for this kind of thing, then mitigate accordingly.

If you are worried about your SO finding out that you have been to an AMP, then you should take appropriate countermeasures starting now. The Monger Undercover thread in this forum is very helpful in that regard. Typical elements of common sense also apply.

I'm sure LE would gladly arrest a monger at a parlor if they caught him balls deep inside a therapist; however, it only takes a second to dismount so the likelihood of that happening is slim to none as there would be plenty of chatter amongst the girls if the popo walked in. Years ago, I was in a KAMP that got busted. Undercover LE was in the room across the hall when he was propositioned. His girl yelled in Korean that the police were there. I was in mid-stroke of a nice HJ and my therapist simply let junior go and left the room. I flipped over onto my stomach, covered my ass with a towel and pretended to be asleep. Undercover walked into my room, "woke" me up and told me to get dressed, then asked if I "saw" or "knew" anything. Since he didn't catch me in the act of doing anything, he had to let my leave. The only girl arrested was the one who had propositioned the undercover but the place did get shut down.

No reason to fear an LE raid, IMO.

[Niteluvr]

I know for a fact the police have advised suspected mongers they would stop by residences around 530 6 to do a follow up interview. You do have a right to remain silent. But they also have the right to do a follow up investigation. It will be up to you to explain to the wife why the " nice officers" stopped by.

And how do you know that for a fact? Show some obvious evidence as that would be a highly unusual practice for LE. If a married dude knew ahead of time that LE was going to show up at his house, he'd probably find a way for himself and his wife not to be there.

[MartyBass864]

I know for a fact the police have advised suspected mongers they would stop by residences around 530 6 to do a follow up interview. You do have a right to remain silent. But they also have the right to do a follow up investigation. It will be up to you to explain to the wife why the " nice officers" stopped by.

[AllTheTime]

No reason to freak out or worry, just impose rules on your visits. It is perfectly legal to visit a massage parlor and get a massage. Most people have their favorites or a couple and repeat them. I always look around for anything strange (everyplace has cameras everywhere so forget them). Look for strange cars with someone inside looking at building (could be a monger, but maybe not). Keep a poker face and have the same look coming out as when you went in (no shit eaten grin from the HE).

Google massage parlor busts and you'll see it's the girls and the owners that get arrested. Cops go in pretending to be customers, girl gets touchy hoping for a tip, girl gets arrested. Any form of mongering has risks, but this is nothing compared to going to see escorts and picking up SW's.

Also keep in mind that off duty police, local politicians, and other government workers frequent these businesses as well. They do an occasional bust to make themselves look good. Heck about 10 years ago there was an 18 yr old SW on Fultion industrial by the name of snow, kind of tall, skinny, short hair and very pretty. I saw her at the chevron one night and waved pulled up and cop pulled next to me, I freaked out. She proceeded to walk over and get in my car then put down the window and yell over to the cop asking him how his night was. Turns out he was one of her regulars.

Point is prostitution is part of what makes the world turn, and it's not going anywhere. And you won't be seeing a mad rush to close all the shops down and arrest everyone because they'd be going to jail as well LOL.

I think this might have been true until about 10 years ago. But the combination of the sex trafficking issue (which to be fair, is a real issue), combined with rare bipartisan support for crack downs, has put the sex work trade at historic danger.

While it was unsuccessful, the raid in Florida that nabbed the Patriots owner ended up falling apart because Kraft was a billionaire who could bring huge resources to bear; most mongers don't. Even if your legal problems are relatively minor, if crackdowns are supported nothing to prevent cops from contacting wives, employers, etc. To "investigate," enough to really mess up your life.

Bottom line. We need to take even more care today than ever; it can no longer be written off as "it's still business as usual. ".

[The Wiseacre]

Care to provide a standard link to the comment?

https://www.facebook.com/purplelc/po...58601261146865

I would never worry about being busted as a monger if a raid happened. If the raid happens, they will have to prove that you paid for a sex act and most likely if they come in and raid while you are banging away, you haven't even paid yet. Like SkyWookie said, they only arrest the girls. If they arrest you, don't talk to LE. Say nothing except, "I need to talk to my attorney" whenever you are questioned about anything. If the place gets busted and you aren't there but are contacted by LE after the fact, tell them that they can speak with your attorney. If you can't afford an attorney for this kind of thing, then mitigate accordingly.

If you are worried about your SO finding out that you have been to an AMP, then you should take appropriate countermeasures starting now. The Monger Undercover thread in this forum is very helpful in that regard. Typical elements of common sense also apply.