Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[SmallPP]

Wasn't sure were to post this since it was more of a question that I wanted other people's opinions on but this seem like this the place to ask.

I've been wanting to know for most of the guys on here who have been doing this hobby for a long time.

If you where to catch like a STI / STD from one of your providers. Who is like on your list of goto providers, what would you do?

Do you guys cut them off and stop seeing them? Do you tell them you got something from them?

What would you do? Because I'll admit that I had this happen to me last year and I won't name who it was. But because of that situation I step away from the hobby for awhile now, but have been looking to get back into it but have been hesitant too.

If you could chime in on this, I'd greatly appreciate it, you can pm me if there are things you'd rather keep hidden from people.

[Shawtren]

It is so tempting to try and get even for being screwed over. But trust me, most of these characters have nothing to lose and likely will not remember any vengeance after a day anyhow.

(In my best Sheriff Beauford T. Justice voice) That is not to say, however, that you can't think about it! Just don't do it!

I noticed there is a debate going on in another thread. Since this is the place for debate, I will point out that crime is risky business. And if you are upset about a scam, committing a crime to, "get even" not only subjects you to the immediate risk of serious bodily harm, but a substantial legal bill and criminal penalties.

Let's consider the situation at hand. A scammer and her thug were holed up in a dive motel. The girl ripped the guy off. Sucks, I know. He did the smart thing from that point and got himself safely out of further harm's way. While doing that, he was confronted by the thug. Remember the game these characters are playing, the thug most certainly was prepared and ready to bludgeon should that opportunity arise. Thankfully our guy wasn't beaten or worse. I think we can all be thankful for that.

Now come the suggestions. Hey, why not hang around and cause thousands of dollars in property damage, that, by the way, takes quite a bit of time (tubs don't fill in 60 seconds after all). Yet, such action could only be expected to result in serious bodily injury, possible loss of life, and prosecution on a number of charges.

And please remember, most providers, and especially scammers, they are empty bags. The motel isn't going to sue and collect against them, they don't have money, credit, assets, or a job. But you, yeah you might be just the target for them to seek repayment for their losses. Even dirt bag notels are using surveillance cameras to record your face and license plate. This is getting ugly, fast.

Yeah, sure, the fantasy of it all is bemusing. And I'm sure there are examples of robbed guys who have in some way "gotten even". But is that smart? Are you certain you'd like to escalate? Might it be better to cut your losses, share the info with the community, and make amends that way?

I still think it could be very helpful if we heard from RealMe about whether the girl he saw matches the pictures. That would do real damage to the way she conducts her scamming. Shame that has been lost amongst a debate in an information thread.

Be safe guys. And be smart.

[WaltK]

Frank, for your post below I think you should be promoted to the position of Whoreboard General Counsel. The pay is shit but you should feel good that you may have saved a guy or two a lot of trouble; your advice is invaluable. I saw the discussion that you are referring to yesterday, I didn't have time to respond but would have said the same thing.

These hookers and pimps aren't collectible. One of three people will pay for damage; the property owner, their insurance company or the john. The ripped off john doesn't have a beef with the property owner so why fuck them over? If losing a few hundred dollars causes you to want to commit a felony you need to find a new hobby.

Not paying first is great advice but is no guarantee that things won't go wrong. Think of this underworld as a gamble. Some bets are safer than others but you can always lose your bet, you need to be willing to walk away from your losses and not look back.

I noticed there is a debate going on in another thread. Since this is the place for debate, I will point out that crime is risky business. And if you are upset about a scam, committing a crime to, "get even" not only subjects you to the immediate risk of serious bodily harm, but a substantial legal bill and criminal penalties.

Let's consider the situation at hand. A scammer and her thug were holed up in a dive motel. The girl ripped the guy off. Sucks, I know. He did the smart thing from that point and got himself safely out of further harm's way. While doing that, he was confronted by the thug. Remember the game these characters are playing, the thug most certainly was prepared and ready to bludgeon should that opportunity arise. Thankfully our guy wasn't beaten or worse. I think we can all be thankful for that.

Now come the suggestions. Hey, why not hang around and cause thousands of dollars in property damage, that, by the way, takes quite a bit of time (tubs don't fill in 60 seconds after all). Yet, such action could only be expected to result in serious bodily injury, possible loss of life, and prosecution on a number of charges.

And please remember, most providers, and especially scammers, they are empty bags. The motel isn't going to sue and collect against them, they don't have money, credit, assets, or a job. But you, yeah you might be just the target for them to seek repayment for their losses. Even dirt bag notels are using surveillance cameras to record your face and license plate. This is getting ugly, fast.

Yeah, sure, the fantasy of it all is bemusing. And I'm sure there are examples of robbed guys who have in some way "gotten even". But is that smart? Are you certain you'd like to escalate? Might it be better to cut your losses, share the info with the community, and make amends that way?

I still think it could be very helpful if we heard from RealMe about whether the girl he saw matches the pictures. That would do real damage to the way she conducts her scamming. Shame that has been lost amongst a debate in an information thread.

Be safe guys. And be smart.

[Frank Hider]

To be clear, even the cheapest, nastiest notels are using surveillance cameras to record your face and license plate. Providers and thugs do not have a job and money, but you do. So should you choose to punish a scammer by damaging the place, guess who's getting sued and charged?

[Entwood]

I noticed there is a debate going on in another thread. Since this is the place for debate, I will point out that crime is risky business. And if you are upset about a scam, committing a crime to, "get even" not only subjects you to the immediate risk of serious bodily harm, but a substantial legal bill and criminal penalties.
Let's consider the situation at hand. A scammer and her thug were holed up in a dive motel. The girl ripped the guy off. Sucks, I know. He did the smart thing from that point and got himself safely out of further harm's way. While doing that, he was confronted by the thug. Remember the game these characters are playing, the thug most certainly was prepared and ready to bludgeon should that opportunity arise. Thankfully our guy wasn't beaten or worse. I think we can all be thankful for that.

Now come the suggestions. Hey, why not hang around and cause thousands of dollars in property damage, that, by the way, takes quite a bit of time (tubs don't fill in 60 seconds after all). Yet, such action could only be expected to result in serious bodily injury, possible loss of life, and prosecution on a number of charges.

And please remember, most providers, and especially scammers, they are empty bags. The motel isn't going to sue and collect against them, they don't have money, credit, assets, or a job. But you, yeah you might be just the target for them to seek repayment for their losses. Even dirt bag notels are using surveillance cameras to record your face and license plate. This is getting ugly, fast.

Yeah, sure, the fantasy of it all is bemusing. And I'm sure there are examples of robbed guys who have in some way "gotten even". But is that smart? Are you certain you'd like to escalate? Might it be better to cut your losses, share the info with the community, and make amends that way?

I still think it could be very helpful if we heard from RealMe about whether the girl he saw matches the pictures. That would do real damage to the way she conducts her scamming. Shame that has been lost amongst a debate in an information thread.

Be safe guys. And be smart.

Though I've only got a few posts, I've played this game a long, long time.

I've been ripped off before.

It's one of the risks.

That said, in my humble opinion, just walk away and take your loss. There's no good outcome from escalation.

[Benz1]

I noticed there is a debate going on in another thread. Since this is the place for debate, I will point out that crime is risky business. And if you are upset about a scam, committing a crime to, "get even" not only subjects you to the immediate risk of serious bodily harm, but a substantial legal bill and criminal penalties.

Let's consider the situation at hand. A scammer and her thug were holed up in a dive motel. The girl ripped the guy off. Sucks, I know. He did the smart thing from that point and got himself safely out of further harm's way. While doing that, he was confronted by the thug. Remember the game these characters are playing, the thug most certainly was prepared and ready to bludgeon should that opportunity arise. Thankfully our guy wasn't beaten or worse. I think we can all be thankful for that.

Now come the suggestions. Hey, why not hang around and cause thousands of dollars in property damage, that, by the way, takes quite a bit of time (tubs don't fill in 60 seconds after all). Yet, such action could only be expected to result in serious bodily injury, possible loss of life, and prosecution on a number of charges.

Yeah, sure, the fantasy of it all is bemusing. And I'm sure there are examples of robbed guys who have in some way "gotten even". But is that smart? Are you certain you'd like to escalate? Might it be better to cut your losses, share the info with the community, and make amends that way?

I still think it could be very helpful if we heard from RealMe about whether the girl he saw matches the pictures. That would do real damage to the way she conducts her scamming. Shame that has been lost amongst a silly debate in an information thread.

Be safe guys. And be smart.

Thanks for the info.
I've never created any water damage, I always pay at the end of services. If they don't agree to that, I walk out.
Be safe, pay after you receive services

[Frank Hider]

I noticed there is a debate going on in another thread. Since this is the place for debate, I will point out that crime is risky business. And if you are upset about a scam, committing a crime to, "get even" not only subjects you to the immediate risk of serious bodily harm, but a substantial legal bill and criminal penalties.

Let's consider the situation at hand. A scammer and her thug were holed up in a dive motel. The girl ripped the guy off. Sucks, I know. He did the smart thing from that point and got himself safely out of further harm's way. While doing that, he was confronted by the thug. Remember the game these characters are playing, the thug most certainly was prepared and ready to bludgeon should that opportunity arise. Thankfully our guy wasn't beaten or worse. I think we can all be thankful for that.

Now come the suggestions. Hey, why not hang around and cause thousands of dollars in property damage, that, by the way, takes quite a bit of time (tubs don't fill in 60 seconds after all). Yet, such action could only be expected to result in serious bodily injury, possible loss of life, and prosecution on a number of charges.

And please remember, most providers, and especially scammers, they are empty bags. The motel isn't going to sue and collect against them, they don't have money, credit, assets, or a job. But you, yeah you might be just the target for them to seek repayment for their losses. Even dirt bag notels are using surveillance cameras to record your face and license plate. This is getting ugly, fast.

Yeah, sure, the fantasy of it all is bemusing. And I'm sure there are examples of robbed guys who have in some way "gotten even". But is that smart? Are you certain you'd like to escalate? Might it be better to cut your losses, share the info with the community, and make amends that way?

I still think it could be very helpful if we heard from RealMe about whether the girl he saw matches the pictures. That would do real damage to the way she conducts her scamming. Shame that has been lost amongst a debate in an information thread.

Be safe guys. And be smart.

[Gene2]

Yes and, it is, "way too much", not "way to much". Big difference!

But seriously, we are not all looking for the same thing. Some of us want a consistent, predictable HE MASSAGE (not an escort encounter) with a very attractive, young, fit woman. There are not many providers offering that. Some who do, offer it at a reasonable price without variable "tips".

Others are looking for a FS escort encounter in a "massage" parlor or elsewhere, and some of those guys are most interested in mileage, attractiveness be damned. In fact, I understand some of these guys view fugliness as a plus on the hopes she will compensate with effort. In my experience that is sometimes the case, but often not.

That's all fine and good enough. But still, I don't see any call for animosity among any of these groups. People who enjoy things you do not are not dumb, they just are not you. So how about we provide the info we have, and then you can enjoy what you enjoy.

Bang on!

Well said Frank.

One man's stupid financial choice is another man's sound investment. If it were all about cheap. PornHub is free.

Gene.

[Frank Hider]

Thanks for making my case even stronger with your attempted retort.

First of all it's "due respect. " Second math still doesn't work. And third it's "plain" not "plane".

I respect your opinion. I don't share it. So please respect mine and stop calling me stupid. Enjoy your "week" not "weak".

Gene.

Yes and, it is, "way too much", not "way to much". Big difference!

But seriously, we are not all looking for the same thing. Some of us want a consistent, predictable HE MASSAGE (not an escort encounter) with a very attractive, young, fit woman. There are not many providers offering that. Some who do, offer it at a reasonable price without variable "tips".

Others are looking for a FS escort encounter in a "massage" parlor or elsewhere, and some of those guys are most interested in mileage, attractiveness be damned. In fact, I understand some of these guys view fugliness as a plus on the hopes she will compensate with effort. In my experience that is sometimes the case, but often not.

That's all fine and good enough. But still, I don't see any call for animosity among any of these groups. People who enjoy things you do not are not dumb, they just are not you. So how about we provide the info we have, and then you can enjoy what you enjoy.

Bang on!

[Gene2]

Gene, all do respect! No way should he have settled. These girls, I use that word loosely, are in it for the $$. They upsell everything. If you don't get FS. Then your paying way to much. Your answer to my other post was a joke. $180 for an hour without a BJ or FS! That's plane stupid. AMPs for $100 offer the same service. Just need to look. Try the new owners place corner of 28th and Brenton.

There's other places. I've been a lurker to long it's time I spoke up.

Enjoy life!

Thanks for making my case even stronger with your attempted retort.

First of all it's "due respect. " Second math still doesn't work. And third it's "plain" not "plane".

I respect your opinion. I don't share it. So please respect mine and stop calling me stupid. Enjoy your "week" not "weak".

Gene.

[MassageYes]

Most of these girls have difficult personal lives. Kids. Ex husband or boyfriend. Parents. Baby sitters. Old cars. Maybe another job. Perhaps substance use. So it's not uncommon to have a no show.

I am wondering why you didn't take the offer of another provider. Serenity is well managed and cares about its reputation. Offering a substitute is a viable and reasonable option. Honda is new to this sport. Can you give her a break? And serenity as well? We all disappoint others from time to time. Maybe a gracious response would have resulted in a top notch fill in? I've find that when I'm understanding with tardiness or other frustrations the make up service is fantastic.

Just one man's thoughts.

Gene.

Gene, all do respect! No way should he have settled. These girls, I use that word loosely, are in it for the $$. They upsell everything. If you don't get FS. Then your paying way to much. Your answer to my other post was a joke. $180 for an hour without a BJ or FS! That's plane stupid. AMPs for $100 offer the same service. Just need to look. Try the new owners place corner of 28th and Brenton.

There's other places. I've been a lurker to long it's time I spoke up.

Enjoy life!

[Chad Adler]

Wait, you mean those women appearing in porn are. . . Actors? Nuts! I always thought those were legitimate and real intimate encounters. Now I don't know what to believe.

I guess that explains why you never see the dude delivering a box of chocolates before the fun begins.

I've seen them deliver pizzas. Maybe those ones are real.

[Frank Hider]

Good points, Chad. We're witnessing guys wanting to believe something so badly they put science aside. Sad when we use porn actors as a science source.

Wait, you mean those women appearing in porn are. . . Actors? Nuts! I always thought those were legitimate and real intimate encounters. Now I don't know what to believe.

I guess that explains why you never see the dude delivering a box of chocolates before the fun begins.

[NWMich]

Good points, Chad. We're witnessing guys wanting to believe something so badly they put science aside. Sad when we use porn actors as a science source.

[Chad Adler]

But I know my girl's eyes don't roll back up into her head, scream loudly, and convulse her body uncontrollably when she pees in the toilet (and do so repetitively). There may be some urine, but she ain't peeing baby!

What is up with the lack of science around here. LOL.

If somebody really wants to believe that there's an undiscovered organ creating large amounts of some mysterious liquid, they probably won't allow themselves to be convinced it's pee.

Muscles that contract during orgasm can put enough pressure on the bladder to force urine secretions. Just because squirting is a real thing doesn't mean there's a separate fluid. Even if you've just finished peeing, some urine remains behind, so liquid can always be squeezed out.

The girlfriends I've had who have squirted have done so accidentally and were kind of embarrassed about it because they were smart enough to know the liquid was coming from their urethra, but there are women who really don't understand their own anatomy, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of them think it's something else.

Prostitutes are a different story though. They know they're peeing on you because they're probably faking their orgasms. But if you're going to give them more money if they wet the bed while you're banging them, of course they'll do it. Urine is pretty harmless though. If you like it, just enjoy it.