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[FafaFooey]

There's a lot of grey areas on both sides of the argument.

Stings used to almost always target the women, but there was backlash, some of it well thought out, that it was just leading to a bunch of young, poor, addicted women getting saddled with fines they'd never pay and court appearances they'd never make with no effort at all to help them out of their situations. So to make enforcement sound more societally beneficial, the focus shifted to 'end the demand' and shaming men caught trying to hobby. It still didn't do anything to help the women that might want help, but at least stopped portraying them as the criminals. In the last few years, the 'trafficking' angle is almost always used, since that's pretty widely agreed on as a universal evil. But as you already mentioned, its much more likely a girl is being victimized or exploited by a local pimp or 'handler' (or even an agency from some of the posts in those threads) than a 'Law and Order' stereotyped trafficker funneling busloads of underage girls in from other countries.

On our side of things, we do need to stop projecting the image of the nice, independent girl just trying to pay her way through college onto every provider that throws up an ad, because unfortunately the truth behind the scenes is a lot of times much sadder. If we ever want to see this legalized, then both sides need to be there, both the free market and removal of criminalization, and support for low-income, addicted, or exploited girls that want help.

I think it's some of each. The "Scandinavian model" definitely comes out of the "Man bad, woman good" mindset of radical feminism. (In fairness, there are feminists who favor legalization. But they don't drive policy in most places.).

But there's a lot of Puritanism or whatever you want to call it, driving the enforcement as well.

And then there's the people living whee it's happening, especially with streetwalkers. I wouldn't want that happening in front of my house. But a mile away? Sure, LOL. Of course, the people living there feel the same way.

Also, agreed on the erroneous conflation of consensual escorting with "trafficking". I think most or nearly all of us here will avoid situations involving pimps or other coercive setups. That shit is disgusting

[Hobby Lover]

If I encountered an ongoing sting there is no way I would post it here or anywhere. Obstruction of Justice or "Interfering with a police investigation" by posting it on the internet when the police have my name would not be worth the risk.

But did you come back on here and post the ad stating "this was a trap"?

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[Sam Spade]

I don't think it's as much feminism as the fucking religious and social moralism. A bunch of people in our society think sex work is "icky" and that's why they want Dart and other busting hookers and their customers, people can't imagine that anyone could feel differently about than they do and don't want to respect that difference. They can give speeches all they like with their PR bullshit about "saving trafficked women", but if they really cared about ttrafficking victims they would stop busting consenting adults for doing something that harms nobody, go after actual traffickers, and offer consenting hookers protection under the law. It's all politics and PR, which is why Dart always steps up his arrests by a huge amount in election years. It's lazy policing and it harms as many as it helps because hookers can't go to the cops when some asshole beats them up or robs them.

Consider the towns were AMPs flourish, and what drives that. Or should I say, no one cares. Look at Naperville. That place is loaded with AMPs. It's not a town we would normally associate with the ones that are down on their luck and are willing to let anything exist if it brings in the tax dollars. It very upper middle class. Then there is Spring Grove that just a couple months ago had its one and only AMP shut down. That town is suffering, yet they shut down an AMP you had to look really hard for to find.

And things change. In the 80's if you looked in the Chicago Yellow Pages under Massage, you'd see ads for Tokyo Spa and Osaka Spa, in Michigan City, IN. Nothing erotic listed for Chicago. Now Chicago is loaded.

[George Stark]

I don't think it's as much feminism as the fucking religious and social moralism.

. They can give speeches all they like with their PR bullshit about "saving trafficked women", but if they really cared about ttrafficking victims they would stop busting consenting adults...

I think it's some of each. The "Scandinavian model" definitely comes out of the "Man bad, woman good" mindset of radical feminism. (In fairness, there are feminists who favor legalization. But they don't drive policy in most places.).

But there's a lot of Puritanism or whatever you want to call it, driving the enforcement as well.

And then there's the people living whee it's happening, especially with streetwalkers. I wouldn't want that happening in front of my house. But a mile away? Sure, LOL. Of course, the people living there feel the same way.

Also, agreed on the erroneous conflation of consensual escorting with "trafficking". I think most or nearly all of us here will avoid situations involving pimps or other coercive setups. That shit is disgusting

[Chicago41]

The feminist bullshit that has infested our legal and political systems says that the women are all victims of eeevilll men. So when they catch the girls, they often get sent to rehab of some sort, for drugs, or "rehab" for prostitution. It's called the "Scandinavian model".

Persecuting and prosecuting men is, indeed, aimed at decreasing the demand. That's also some sort of "model".

Some countries have taken it a step further: it's illegal to buy sex, but not to sell it. That's also the Scandinavian model.

I don't think it's as much feminism as the fucking religious and social moralism. A bunch of people in our society think sex work is "icky" and that's why they want Dart and other busting hookers and their customers, people can't imagine that anyone could feel differently about than they do and don't want to respect that difference. They can give speeches all they like with their PR bullshit about "saving trafficked women", but if they really cared about ttrafficking victims they would stop busting consenting adults for doing something that harms nobody, go after actual traffickers, and offer consenting hookers protection under the law. It's all politics and PR, which is why Dart always steps up his arrests by a huge amount in election years. It's lazy policing and it harms as many as it helps because hookers can't go to the cops when some asshole beats them up or robs them.

[George Stark]

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after providers offering illegal services than customers that haven't yet done anything? Why is LEO luring men into illegal actions?

The feminist bullshit that has infested our legal and political systems says that the women are all victims of eeevilll men. So when they catch the girls, they often get sent to rehab of some sort, for drugs, or "rehab" for prostitution. It's called the "Scandinavian model".

Persecuting and prosecuting men is, indeed, aimed at decreasing the demand. That's also some sort of "model".

Some countries have taken it a step further: it's illegal to buy sex, but not to sell it. That's also the Scandinavian model.

[Critias]

I was, last winter. Woman posts an ad on STG, we text back and forth. Never discussed rates, never discussed acts, everything was vanilla. I'm not an idiot. Well, I may be an idiot, but I'm no fool.

Anyway, I pull into the hotel parking lot where she said she was staying, text her that I arrived. I watch a patrol car drive by, which meant nothing yet. She tells me to pull around to the 'C' entrance. I drive around the building, there's no such thing. Then she says, "Oh yeah, I'm sorry, wrong hotel!" and directs me a half-mile down the road to the 'right' place. I get there, drive to the 'C' building, and BAM -- two patrol cars and an undercover car. Six guys, while I'm in my car still. They grill me every which way, run all my info, scare the ever-loving bejeezus out of me, and then they left.

I have NO idea why they went through the entire circus only to NOT arrest me, or indeed do anything at all. Here in PA the law says that if someone is trying to commit an illegal act, they can arrest-- you don't need to actually SAY or DO the bad things, they just need to have reasonable suspicion that you MEANT to (I. E. , responded to a post on STG). The cute part for me was how they ensured they knew who I was by following me from the first hotel to the second. But the whole thing was just a complete waste of time and taxpayer money. The undercovers said they were part of some county-wide 'human trafficking task force' or some such; but I was supposedly meeting a 38 year old woman. Who is trafficking her?

So, that was fun.

Always wondered about this. Has anybody on this board ever been caught in a sting? Have they rushed here right after like "ITS A TRAP DON'T ANSWER THAT AD"?

[Pau Ford]

The ad had already been taken down once the sting started.

But did you come back on here and post the ad stating "this was a trap"?

[Ump1969]

By the way, there has been a lot of news lately about sex trafficking and slavery. Okay, I can buy that. So how many traffickers were arrested in this sting and how massages resued?

Stupod auto typing. Sex slaxes rescued.

[Ump1969]

I have a few questions about prostitution stings. The main one is why. The idea is to rescue women, right? Who is being rescued in these stings? Okay, so maybe the idea is to discourage other men from answering and making use of such advertising. So this means men will stop wanting sex or paying for it? It seems to me that even though an offer was made, there were no prostitutes involved and no real sex offered. Wouldn't it make more sense to go after providers offering illegal services than customers that haven't yet done anything? Why is LEO luring men into illegal actions? Once again, money talks. Lord Tom is going after after low budget motel sex. I don't recall any stings concerning the Robert Krafts of the world and the big money deals in downtown hotels. But it gets Lird Tom nice PR for the God people.

By the way, there has been a lot of news lately about sex trafficking and slavery. Okay, I can buy that. So how many traffickers were arrested in this sting and how massages resued?

[Ump1969]

I have a few questions about prostitution stings. The main one is why. The idea is to rescue women, right? Who is being rescued in these stings? Okay, so maybe the idea is to discourage other men from answering and making use of such advertising. So this means men will stop wanting sex or paying for it? It seems to me that even though an offer was made, there were no prostitutes involved and no real sex offered. Wouldn't it make more sense to go after providers offering illegal services than customers that haven't yet done anything? Why is LEO luring men into illegal actions? Once again, money talks. Lord Tom is going after after low budget motel sex. I don't recall any stings concerning the Robert Krafts of the world and the big money deals in downtown hotels. But it gets Lird Tom nice PR for the God people.

[Chicago41]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2...titution-sting

"Sex trafficking is not a victimless crime," Cook County Sheriff Thomas Dart said. "Many victims primarily women suffer violence and abuse, and my office is committed to offering them the assistance they need while making it very costly for those who seek to purchase sex. ".

Dart is a clown. More than half the time, he's harming some poor woman who just wants to make some money and isn't being trafficked. And their "assistance" is damaging her business and arresting her if they catch her, costing her money? Fuck Dart right up the ass.

[Fdottt]

I did once. Back in the BP days. But it was poorly executed on their part tbh. I didn't suspect anything at all upfront but almost immediately upon walking into the hotel room I figured out that something wasn't right by the way the girl was acting / talking.

Long story short I was experienced enough not to fall for their bait and I never agreed to anything illegal (specific acts for $). They still barged into the room (room had adjoining door to room next door) and did the whole "you're under arrest!" thing. But I told them I never agreed to anything she offered. They had the room wired and an audio guy in the adjoining room. He went back and listened to the tape and they didn't have the goods on me so they let me walk.

I can't definitely see how an inexperienced hobbyist could have fallen for their act tho. Lady cop was actually really hot too. 😂.

But did you come back on here and post the ad stating "this was a trap"?

[Pau Ford]

I did once. Back in the BP days. But it was poorly executed on their part tbh. I didn't suspect anything at all upfront but almost immediately upon walking into the hotel room I figured out that something wasn't right by the way the girl was acting / talking.

Long story short I was experienced enough not to fall for their bait and I never agreed to anything illegal (specific acts for $). They still barged into the room (room had adjoining door to room next door) and did the whole "you're under arrest!" thing. But I told them I never agreed to anything she offered. They had the room wired and an audio guy in the adjoining room. He went back and listened to the tape and they didn't have the goods on me so they let me walk.

I can't definitely see how an inexperienced hobbyist could have fallen for their act tho. Lady cop was actually really hot too. 😂.

Always wondered about this. Has anybody on this board ever been caught in a sting? Have they rushed here right after like "ITS A TRAP DON'T ANSWER THAT AD"?

[Jinurso]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2...titution-sting

Twenty-two men were arrested Wednesday after responding to online advertisements for prostitution in Northwest Cook County.

The Cook County Sheriff's Police Special Victim's Unit set up meetings with would-be buyers and an officer posing as a person selling sex at a hotel in Northwest Cook County, the sheriff's office said in a statement.

Once the men offered to exchange money for sex, officers waiting outside entered the hotel room and took the men into custody, the sheriff's office said.

Twenty-two men were issued $1,000 citations for violation of the county's public morals nuisance ordinance, and 19 vehicles were towed under the ordinance, requiring an additional $500 to reclaim, the sheriff's office said.

"Sex trafficking is not a victimless crime," Cook County Sheriff Thomas Dart said. "Many victims primarily women suffer violence and abuse, and my office is committed to offering them the assistance they need while making it very costly for those who seek to purchase sex. ".

Always wondered about this. Has anybody on this board ever been caught in a sting? Have they rushed here right after like "ITS A TRAP DON'T ANSWER THAT AD"?