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  1. #4233
    Quote Originally Posted by MTWilliams911  [View Original Post]
    CDC on the effectiveness of cloth masks.

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

    I will break down the game film here and translate into sheep language. Baa. Baa. Here it is quoted word for word.

    "During a pandemic, cloth masks may be the only option available; however, they should be used as a last resort when medical masks (certified or KN95) and respirators are not available. Cloth mask use should not be mandated for healthcare workers, but some may choose to use them if there are no alternatives. ".

    What does this mean? It means only morons, sheep, and people in third world settings (read poverty) should wear cloth masks. Why is that? Because it is all about air, air handling, filtration, and aerosoled virus. CDC says health care workers should not wear cloth masks (only as a last resort when nothing else is available). What is the air handling in a hospital in general, or in the Operating Room specifically? A hospital has 20 times an hour turnover of air, plus HEPA filtration, and our OR has 40 times per hour turnover with HEPA filtration. So the CDC says that in spite of that air handling (20 x and 40 x) and filtration, that cloth masks are only to be used as a last resort. Yes! In a high air turnover and HEPA filtered air environment cloth masks are only as a last resort when KN95 certified masks are not available. So that is a high air turnover and HEPA filtered environment that cloth masks ARE NOT to be used unless there is no alternative. So let's go to a crowded WalMart, Home Depot, Costco, Kroger, any retail store, etc. With their 4 times an hour air turnover and no HEPA filtration. How might that cloth mask work in that 4 x non-filtered environment when it will not make the grade in 20 x to 40 x with HEPA filtration? Incredibly poor is the answer.

    The takeaway from this CDC article is that only morons, sheep, the uninformed, and the poor should wear cloth masks.

    The effectiveness of protection from aerosol virus with a cloth mask can be as low as one percent or less.

    KN95 can be 20 to 30 times more effective.

    Would you even bother to buckle a seat belt that worked 1% or less of the time?

    Cloth masks in a developed country are a sad waste of time and create a false sense of sheep security from the wolves.

    If you are going to wear a mask, then get a KN95. I wear one. When one is not available I put on a cloth mask. Not because they work worth anything of value, just because I do not want to hear the mass Baa! Baa! From the sheep I encounter.
    Thanks for the dissertation skimpy, we were not debating the effectiveness of cloth masks?
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  2. #4232
    Quote Originally Posted by MTWilliams911  [View Original Post]
    The only Soros that I want to see wear a cloth mask is the worthless billionaire and evil motherfucker George Soros.
    Just for you....lol
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  3. #4231

    Cloth masks for Dummies

    Quote Originally Posted by MTWilliams911  [View Original Post]
    CDC on the effectiveness of cloth masks.

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

    I will break down the game film here and translate into sheep language. Baa. Baa. Here it is quoted word for word.

    "During a pandemic, cloth masks may be the only option available; however, they should be used as a last resort when medical masks (certified or KN95) and respirators are not available. Cloth mask use should not be mandated for healthcare workers, but some may choose to use them if there are no alternatives. ".

    What does this mean? It means only morons, sheep, and people in third world settings (read poverty) should wear cloth masks. Why is that? Because it is all about air, air handling, filtration, and aerosoled virus. CDC says health care workers should not wear cloth masks (only as a last resort when nothing else is available). What is the air handling in a hospital in general, or in the Operating Room specifically? A hospital has 20 times an hour turnover of air, plus HEPA filtration, and our OR has 40 times per hour turnover with HEPA filtration. So the CDC says that in spite of that air handling (20 x and 40 x) and filtration, that cloth masks are only to be used as a last resort. Yes! In a high air turnover and HEPA filtered air environment cloth masks are only as a last resort when KN95 certified masks are not available. So that is a high air turnover and HEPA filtered environment that cloth masks ARE NOT to be used unless there is no alternative. So let's go to a crowded WalMart, Home Depot, Costco, Kroger, any retail store, etc. With their 4 times an hour air turnover and no HEPA filtration. How might that cloth mask work in that 4 x non-filtered environment when it will not make the grade in 20 x to 40 x with HEPA filtration? Incredibly poor is the answer.

    The takeaway from this CDC article is that only morons, sheep, the uninformed, and the poor should wear cloth masks.

    The effectiveness of protection from aerosol virus with a cloth mask can be as low as one percent or less.

    KN95 can be 20 to 30 times more effective.

    Would you even bother to buckle a seat belt that worked 1% or less of the time?

    Cloth masks in a developed country are a sad waste of time and create a false sense of sheep security from the wolves.

    If you are going to wear a mask, then get a KN95. I wear one. When one is not available I put on a cloth mask. Not because they work worth anything of value, just because I do not want to hear the mass Baa! Baa! From the sheep I encounter.
    The only Soros that I want to see wear a cloth mask is the worthless billionaire and evil motherfucker George Soros.

  4. #4230

    New Book: Cloth Masks for Dummies.

    CDC on the effectiveness of cloth masks.

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

    I will break down the game film here and translate into sheep language. Baa. Baa. Here it is quoted word for word.

    "During a pandemic, cloth masks may be the only option available; however, they should be used as a last resort when medical masks (certified or KN95) and respirators are not available. Cloth mask use should not be mandated for healthcare workers, but some may choose to use them if there are no alternatives. ".

    What does this mean? It means only morons, sheep, and people in third world settings (read poverty) should wear cloth masks. Why is that? Because it is all about air, air handling, filtration, and aerosoled virus. CDC says health care workers should not wear cloth masks (only as a last resort when nothing else is available). What is the air handling in a hospital in general, or in the Operating Room specifically? A hospital has 20 times an hour turnover of air, plus HEPA filtration, and our OR has 40 times per hour turnover with HEPA filtration. So the CDC says that in spite of that air handling (20 x and 40 x) and filtration, that cloth masks are only to be used as a last resort. Yes! In a high air turnover and HEPA filtered air environment cloth masks are only as a last resort when KN95 certified masks are not available. So that is a high air turnover and HEPA filtered environment that cloth masks ARE NOT to be used unless there is no alternative. So let's go to a crowded WalMart, Home Depot, Costco, Kroger, any retail store, etc. With their 4 times an hour air turnover and no HEPA filtration. How might that cloth mask work in that 4 x non-filtered environment when it will not make the grade in 20 x to 40 x with HEPA filtration? Incredibly poor is the answer.

    The takeaway from this CDC article is that only morons, sheep, the uninformed, and the poor should wear cloth masks.

    The effectiveness of protection from aerosol virus with a cloth mask can be as low as one percent or less.

    KN95 can be 20 to 30 times more effective.

    Would you even bother to buckle a seat belt that worked 1% or less of the time?

    Cloth masks in a developed country are a sad waste of time and create a false sense of sheep security from the wolves.

    If you are going to wear a mask, then get a KN95. I wear one. When one is not available I put on a cloth mask. Not because they work worth anything of value, just because I do not want to hear the mass Baa! Baa! From the sheep I encounter.

  5. #4229

    Thank you for proving my point

    You, like many others are proving what I am saying. We do not want to allow the medical and scientific community to have an honest discussion about the virus, treatment, and prevention. Too many want be sheep and follow the most scariest information. Last week a medical report came out from China showing that those who are asymptomatic have a 0. 31% chance of actually spreading it. Did that get very far in the US News Media. No. Those, like me and my family, who are blood type O are in the category who are least likely to catch it or suffer from it and based on that report from China, to pass it on. But it would not be fair to exclude certain groups of people, that would be bigotted. Plus, these very people you all want to worship are the same ones who jumped all over our President when he touted the science behind using Hydroxychloroquine as a treatment. Now that he lost the election, suddenly the AMA says it is not only safe but appears to be productive in treating or preventing COVID.

    I can't help to wonder how much it true science and how much is political BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllTheTime  [View Original Post]
    Yes, there is evidence that blood type has an impact on severity. And your point? What are you going to do - push a button and change your type? The same research does not indicate a decreased vulnerability to catching or spreading the disease to those who aren't as fortunate.

    Look, this is an unknown variation of coronavirus, which means there are going to be questions. But what is undeniable is that the vast majority of those with those medical degrees you mention, like Fauci, agree on certain basics, including the benefits of wearing a mask and social distancing. For reasons in 20 years from now people won't understand ("let me get this straight. It was fine for private business or the government to require me to wear shirts, shoes, or even pants, but a mask during an epidemic was an attack on my liberty?), some people simply want to downplay this (leading to the mindset that produces what happened in Wisconsin, where a pharmacist intentionally spoiled vaccines, likely to discredit them).

    And the sad thing, even beyond the deaths, amputations, lasting heart and lung problems, plus the billions spent on healthcare, is that a quick look at most other first world countries shows clear connections between better COVID control and better employment outcomes with fewer deaths (again, the US - 4% of world's population, 20% of COVID deaths).

    What's pathetic is that you folks just won't admit you were wrong that COVID "was no more serious than the flu" and would disappear magically.

  6. #4228

    I'm new to the state

    Quote Originally Posted by ILuvEmall  [View Original Post]
    They don't expect her to throw the police under the bus every chance she gets, and blame them before an investigation even takes place. They don't expect her to call for firings of officers who acted as per their training. This is why you see record number of APD resignations / retirements, leaving the force shorthanded. This is why you see officers calling in sick and ignoring calls and no longer willing to put their lives on the line for a mayor who not only won't back them, but will have them fired the first chance she gets. She's now reaping what she sowed.
    Didn't really know any of this but you have a point if that's what she is like.

  7. #4227

    Doctor to get you

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtSoros  [View Original Post]
    He claims to be a doctor and does not believe in the science of wearing a mask. Please!

    Really? I think I'll stick with the health guidelines on mask wearing from the CDC, Epidemiologists and all the other Public health professionals.
    Hell I am a Part Time Gynocologist, aren't we all? Masks recycle your own germs. Virus germs a sneaky little bastards. They are in the air
    Waiting for you .

  8. #4226
    Quote Originally Posted by SgtLurker  [View Original Post]
    So what you all are saying is that unless the 'Medical Professional' and "Scientist" agree with you then their education, experience, and knowledge are meaningless? That is neither scientific nor American. Being able to have a discussion of differing opinions and testing scientific endeavors is what is makes America great. Remember when you all were attacking using HydroxyCloriquine on COVID and not the AMA recently stated it may very well work for many people and worth using. Regardless of the fact that Fauci recommended it for COVID 1 15 years ago.

    What about the scientific evidence that says people with O-Neg (first) and O-Pos (2nd) are the least likely to catch COVID and if they do are more likely to have little to no illness from it. What about the scientific evidence that the overwhelming people who catch it spent at least 10-15 minutes in close proximity with an infected person. We do not typically spend that long with anyone at a store or other large retail place.

    Pathetic.
    Yes, there is evidence that blood type has an impact on severity. And your point? What are you going to do - push a button and change your type? The same research does not indicate a decreased vulnerability to catching or spreading the disease to those who aren't as fortunate.

    Look, this is an unknown variation of coronavirus, which means there are going to be questions. But what is undeniable is that the vast majority of those with those medical degrees you mention, like Fauci, agree on certain basics, including the benefits of wearing a mask and social distancing. For reasons in 20 years from now people won't understand ("let me get this straight. It was fine for private business or the government to require me to wear shirts, shoes, or even pants, but a mask during an epidemic was an attack on my liberty?), some people simply want to downplay this (leading to the mindset that produces what happened in Wisconsin, where a pharmacist intentionally spoiled vaccines, likely to discredit them).

    And the sad thing, even beyond the deaths, amputations, lasting heart and lung problems, plus the billions spent on healthcare, is that a quick look at most other first world countries shows clear connections between better COVID control and better employment outcomes with fewer deaths (again, the US - 4% of world's population, 20% of COVID deaths).

    What's pathetic is that you folks just won't admit you were wrong that COVID "was no more serious than the flu" and “would disappear magically.”

  9. #4225

    Queen Keisha

    Queen Keisha was to busy trying to HO herself out to Joe Biden to give a Damn about the people or the police officers in Atlanta. She knew that the area around the Wendys had been blocked off by the thugs and protesters for more than two weeks before that little girl was killed. She had been told that citizens were being attacked for even trying to drive around the blockade. She told the police to do nothing. You know crime is bad when even the liberals are moving out of Buckhead.

  10. #4224

    Figures

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtSoros  [View Original Post]
    He claims to be a doctor and does not believe in the science of wearing a mask. Please!

    Really? I think I'll stick with the health guidelines on mask wearing from the CDC, Epidemiologists and all the other Public health professionals.
    So what you all are saying is that unless the 'Medical Professional' and "Scientist" agree with you then their education, experience, and knowledge are meaningless? That is neither scientific nor American. Being able to have a discussion of differing opinions and testing scientific endeavors is what is makes America great. Remember when you all were attacking using HydroxyCloriquine on COVID and not the AMA recently stated it may very well work for many people and worth using. Regardless of the fact that Fauci recommended it for COVID 1 15 years ago.

    What about the scientific evidence that says people with O-Neg (first) and O-Pos (2nd) are the least likely to catch COVID and if they do are more likely to have little to no illness from it. What about the scientific evidence that the overwhelming people who catch it spent at least 10-15 minutes in close proximity with an infected person. We do not typically spend that long with anyone at a store or other large retail place.

    Pathetic.

  11. #4223
    Senior Member


    Posts: 210

    This exactly

    Quote Originally Posted by ILuvEmall  [View Original Post]
    They don't expect her to throw the police under the bus every chance she gets, and blame them before an investigation even takes place. They don't expect her to call for firings of officers who acted as per their training. This is why you see record number of APD resignations / retirements, leaving the force shorthanded. This is why you see officers calling in sick and ignoring calls and no longer willing to put their lives on the line for a mayor who not only won't back them, but will have them fired the first chance she gets. She's now reaping what she sowed.
    Or I simply sum this up with left, left, left, and more left. People simply do not vote properly. They get exactly the leadership they deserve. Believe me, I'm from Baltimore, they don't even try up there. It's not even safe in the daytime.

  12. #4222

    I'll tell you what they don't expect her to do....

    Quote Originally Posted by PunkedLife  [View Original Post]
    What people expect her to do? Put in a cape and fly around stopping crime? Like she could have stopped a stray bullet? But on another note WTF two 16 yr in a hotel together for smdh? Kids trying to be adults. Like how they even book a room? Parents are more to blame than a damn mayor.
    They don't expect her to throw the police under the bus every chance she gets, and blame them before an investigation even takes place. They don't expect her to call for firings of officers who acted as per their training. This is why you see record number of APD resignations / retirements, leaving the force shorthanded. This is why you see officers calling in sick and ignoring calls and no longer willing to put their lives on the line for a mayor who not only won't back them, but will have them fired the first chance she gets. She's now reaping what she sowed.

  13. #4221
    Quote Originally Posted by RJK1981  [View Original Post]
    He is a Doctor, believe the science.
    He claims to be a doctor and does not believe in the science of wearing a mask. Please!

    Quote Originally Posted by PunkedLife  [View Original Post]
    I wasn't stating not to wear masks. I was saying wearing masks already does so little that you might as well not wear anything if you aren't going to do the other more successful actions such as social distancing. Like these new years parties that are going to be occurring. Yes wear a mask but be in a packed bar, club, strip club, etc with a bunch of strangers you don't know where they've been just doesn't make sense.
    Really? I think I'll stick with the health guidelines on mask wearing from the CDC, Epidemiologists and all the other Public health professionals.

  14. #4220
    Quote Originally Posted by PunkedLife  [View Original Post]
    What people expect her to do? Put in a cape and fly around stopping crime? Like she could have stopped a stray bullet? But on another note WTF two 16 yr in a hotel together for smdh? Kids trying to be adults. Like how they even book a room? Parents are more to blame than a damn mayor.
    Mayors have the power to institute policies that can control crime rates. For example, one way to understand the reasons behind an uptick in crime rates is to use evidence, data and analysis. Why are crime rates on the up surge? Who is it that's using violence against whom and why? Is it a gang fight? Is it over territory? Is it random? Is it one gang? And then as you find out the basis for that, then you can develop a solution or a response to the actual nature of the problem.

  15. #4219

    Science

    Quote Originally Posted by AllTheTime  [View Original Post]
    It doesn't matter who's locked down on paper and who's not -- the reality is that poll and after poll and election results show that for a variety of political and ideological reasons, from 30 to 40 percent of the country simply have not been following anti-COVID procedures; often with the support of local and state governments (in California, your "locked down" state, police chiefs in numerous cities have publicly pledged not to enforce mask and / or lock down statutes).

    And that's the problem. If COVID measures were ineffective, then most of the countries in the so-called first world would have the same COVID stats as us. They don't -- despite having the most expensive health care system in the world, and low population density than many countries, the USA Has 4% of the world's population and 20% of the COVID deaths.
    He is a Doctor, believe the science.

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