Sugar Baby Guide

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Once you find a baby you'll be communicating with her directly, not via the messaging site. You do that so you can talk openly about arrangements without violating the propositioning rules of the site, but also allows you to continue talking after your subscription runs out. Plus don't give her any reason to continue to login to that site while you are trying to close the deal. You don't want her seeing the other guys messaging her.

If it's not a PPM girl, she'll likely want to believe you are exclusive with her or at least wanting to know about your other relationships are minimal. Don't say you have experience with escorts and their typical rates or anything that may turn her off. If you're still planning on being on the site looking for new babies while carrying with her then use the 2 profile system (Guide 2-3) to hide your activity from her. It's also a good way to use your "backup" profile to see if your baby continues to be active after she's started seeing you. It's useful both ways. Maybe she's not so innocent like she claims.

A lot of guys wonder if Dinner Dates & Vacations are essential to become a Sugar Daddy? The answer is no, but it depends on the type of Baby and what you are willing to do. As stated before, most non-professionals will want to get to know you before they agreed to any private meets. So expect at least 1 public meeting first. If a Baby seems immediately willing to meet in private she could be overly nave or likely a PPM girl. If she's been on the site for a long time then she probably knows what she's doing.

Should you admit you are married? My best advice is to come clean with the baby and explain what you are looking for outside of your marriage and why. Make her understand, and if she's got interest in you, she'll make arrangements that don't require public dating. You'll need to show her attention and affection by some other means through texting and gifts, but it doesn't necessarily require dates. Unless you live apart from your current spouse you won't be able to hide this fact, so just admit it.

If your objective is to only have PPM women they won't need as much attention, certainly not dinner dates. In that case there is no need to admit you are married. If she questions your availability just send you have a relationship just to remove that target from your back.

Once you start talking with a Baby you may need to act quickly and strike while the iron is hot. But don't push it if she's not ready. Make sure you are prepared with a stash of cash and have a plan on how & where you'd like to meet. Be sensitive to her and never try to get her to meet somewhere she's not comfortable. Think of good public places you can meet that is safe for her and you won't run into people you know. Have a plan where you'd go when it's time for intimacy.

The younger Babies may have unreal expectations because that's what the site promotes for them. You might have to recalibrate them. My experience and success with college girls is mainly from the Craigslist personal days. The wannabe Babies usually asked for money, but I found a lot really just needed was a mature friend as a mentor. Both professionally and sexually. It usually starts out that they have a money crisis or are drawn to the idea of being given handouts just for looking pretty. If you can provide good conversation, show interest in them, help them in some way (money, school, applying for financial aid, etc) or maybe give her sex tips so she can "improve her boyfriend's performance", you'll establish a real personal connection. She'll appreciate you. Do that and you'll collect panties. Success was achieved through that personal connection, not the money, and that is what made the sex better.

Voice Calls. You are more likely going to need to be able to call a Baby more than you ever did for escorts. That might be a reason to get a hobby phone. Personally I find texting apps adequate but not without their quirks. TextFree allows you to accrue voice minutes for free by just playing a lot 20-30 second ads from within the app. It's mindless and I can bankroll 10-20 minutes while watching a football game. Whatever your solution, having the ability to voice call is critical for initial verification with your Baby and those moments when you're trying to meetup up someplace, etc. Most women are ok with texting, but sometimes a Baby just wants to hear your voice. Be prepared.

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Obviously you can't message until you pay. Refer to Guides 2-3 before you fork over money to send messages.

First advice: don't treat the women like an escort. When you establish contact, you need to treat it as a courtship at first. If she's really a PPM / UTR escort, she'll get down to business quickly. There is no reason to bring up "arrangements" right away. The worst thing guys do is offer money for a date and banned for a proposition. There are tons of warnings about this up & down these threads about guys making that mistake, yet I promise you some idiot is going to do that and complain here. Don't be that idiot.

If she immediately starts talking about allowances or something then simply reply "we can talk arrangement details later" and ask her if she liked to move to texting or email. Remember: don't use your personal number or email. This is vital for 2 reasons: to avoid having incriminating conversation using their messaging system which will get you banned, and it also makes your "primary" profile look inactive for reasons described in Guide #3 while you chat with her offline.

Your very first message to a woman via the site should be something special. You are going nowhere with the "hey baby" message unless you stumble upon $40 streetwalker disguised as a $200 Baby. You are hoping for the unicorn when you first message her so don't proposition her. When you craft your first message you should make it about HER, but not in a creepy way. Don't say how pretty she is or how sexy she is. That's amateur hour. Women want to be complimented yes, but a real Baby is on the site looking for a man who is out of HER LEAGUE. If you drool all over her like the guy on a street corner you'll get nowhere. Read her BIO and make solid conversation with her. Show genuine interest in what she is studying or whatever. If she doesn't have much in her BIO, be creative.

You don't need to say much about yourself in that first message because you've written a solid gold profile already (see Guide 5). Instead show some personality in your message so she'll want to get to know more of you. Guys, this is a competition. You aren't the only one sending her a message, so step up your game. If you must compliment her looks do it very casually like you are used to dating hot women. Say something like "You seem very intelligent, attractive and genuine which is what I'm interested in" instead of "I think you are hot". Act like you've been in the end zone before.

A Baby will want to know your name and see a face pic. Here is where you need to assess your level of paranoia. If she's legit, that's a perfectly normal thing for a woman to want to know. If it's early on, I'd be clear and say "I'd like to withhold that for the time being until we're a little more comfortable with each other. I've been burned before and don't want to make that mistake again. ". That last line might be complete BS, but it's better than admitting you're a cheating asshole and a coward and don't want to show your hand before she shows her. Never be combative or make demands. That's no way to treat a baby.

I said this before: these sugar sites are primed for people to try to blackmail married men. It's like posting on social media you're going on vacation and your house and valuables will be left unguarded. It could be man on the other end of that profile for all you know, so you'll want to try to decipher if she's legit pretty quickly without making accusations and scaring her off. The key is don't give any personal information about yourself until you can setup a video chat or maybe a phone call (see Guide 7). Or tell her you've been Catfished before so you'd like to either meet up in public or exchange pictures where you both do a pose. It's a red flag if she resists or makes lame excuses why she can't send you a confirmation pic. Don't give anything more than your first name.

If you think you're getting a PPM type of girl I wouldn't even use your real first name.

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I can't stress this enough: your profile text is the most important. Spend time on this and make it solid gold. Be articulate, use good grammar, and spelling.

When you first create your profile there are lots of required fields. DOB, Net Worth, Relationship status, etc. It might be ok to misrepresent your age, or your relationship as "Open" instead of saying "Married But Looking" but it's probably not wise to exaggerate your net worth. It all goes back to Guide #1 and knowing what you're trying to get out and tailoring your profile to match.

If your BIO text is only a couple sentences, then you really don't understand the type of women that you can get on that site. Don't use the standard crap like "I like movies and long walks on the beach" and don't state the obvious like "I'm looking for a baby to have fun with". Come on man, be smarter than that. Here is where you show personality. Infuse charm, humor, humility, intelligence and confidence. Be clever. Differentiate yourself from the 100's of other men who barely try or those men who treat it like an escort service. Those are the guys who fail and complain the site is a waste of time. It's not. Before you go online make your profile GOLD to maximize your catch (Guides 2-3, and 6).

Write your BIO offline and copy it in. On SA the edit profile feature isn't very intuitive so it's easy to lose unsaved work. Secondly you'll want to spend a lot of time writing your description, and every time you update the profile it has to get "approved" again. I have put certain language in that got approved once, but then on a later edit that language gets denied. So try not to change this "gold" profile that much to limit the additional scrutiny. Especially if you're going to be putting any "hints" about your payment plan.

Once you start your 30 day membership you want to concentrate your time on messaging women. If your profile is well written you don't need to waste time writing about yourself to every woman you message. They'll read your message AND your profile. So write a great profile once.

Don't pretend to be someone you're not. Put your best foot forward. If you're not very charismatic with the ladies but are willing to throw lavish gifts towards a hottie then find a way to communicate that in your profile description. Just don't set an expectation in your profile that you'll be a PPM guy then try to convince her once you meetup that what you really want is free FWB.

Tailor your profile key words to your objective (Guide #1). Babies will use those key words / categories to search / filter out men. If you want a college girl for instance, select you are "seeking discretion" and don't say your current relationship is "Married". I don't recommend you try and hide the fact you are married, it'll become obvious. You can admit it once you start talking, just have a sympathetic answer as to why you want to cheat on your wife instead of pretending you're single or saying you're a sex addict.

If you are strictly looking for PPM then use the terms like "willing to offer financial support" or "enjoy providing gifts to a fun woman". As mentioned, your profile needs to get approved before it goes online so you can't overtly say you want to pay for sex. Refer to Guide #2 on experimenting with what you can and can't get away with in your "fake / backup" profile before stumbling on this primary profile.

You obviously want sex, so clearly state you're looking for a physical relationship but add in a phrase like "only if there is a connection". It doesn't matter if you are the type to screw a pig with lipstick. The reason you are here is you want more than a typical escort. You're fishing for the woman who wants sexual exclusivity without the dating commitment and hopefully no money, but you'll take a woman who's more of a 1 or 2 guy UTR. If it's clear in your BIO that you are interested in having a sexual relationship under the right circumstances you might be surprised to find a woman who claims to be "seeking platonic" but really wants sex as much as you but doesn't want to advertise it.

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Married men shouldn't post face pics on the public profile unless you have no fear about getting caught. A single man may not want to either, especially if he is less than handsome. The point of your profile picture (and BIO and tagline) is to get a woman interested enough to want to talk to you. So that's the point here: post a GOOD, interesting profile picture. It doesn't have to be your face.

You can also upload private album photos. This is also a MUST just because it's another flirting tool to see if a woman might be interested in you. It's up to you if you want to have face pic in your private album because you are in control of who sees it. I personally still wouldn't put a face pic in my private album but I'm overly cautious. Regardless, whatever pictures you use make them flattering and interesting. Once you start chatting, most real babies (non-escorts) will want to see your face, so be prepared for that. You can provide that via outside means once you feel confident that she's legit. See Guide 6 on tips to know she's not scamming you.

Married men who don't want to want to be discovered shouldn't use pictures their wife took of them. I recommend taking only NEW PICTURES of yourself that nobody has seen. Don't use and from your social media posts, no family pictures, no pictures in your own home, etc. I take selfies of myself in hotels, or with non-descript backgrounds, or in very interesting locations that nobody in my family or friends have ever seen me at. I don't want my images floating around the internet and getting back to someone I know. I crop out my face or obscure it in some way. I also alter the color of the picture to disguise my clothes so you can't tell it's my favorite blue shirt. I'm overly paranoid that a coworker or family member might recognize with my body type wearing my favorite shirt. It's really to use your camera photo editing to make it black & white or use various effects to change the look. Another great option is to try on different clothes at a department store dressing room and take a selfie but make sure it doesn't look like you're in a dressing room! If a woman sees you wearing a fancy suit in an obvious dressing room mirror she'll think you are full of crap.

The pictures should be GOOD quality and reflect the image you are portraying! Feedback I've gotten were my pictures were flattering and looked genuine. If your BIO is funny, have some fun pictures. If your BIO promises lavish gifts or travel then you better dress the part and be in exotic locations. Don't promise "fine dining" in your profile and then post a picture of you changing the oil in your dirty pick-up truck with crushed bud light cans in the background.

Biggest complaint from women is men don't even try or do gross things that women don't find sexy. Nobody wants to see a shirtless, hairy man with a beer gut. Keep your shirt on unless you've got washboard abs, but even if you do DON'T make that your public picture because you'll come across as a douchebag. Never send a woman a dick pic unless she's already sucked it. No DMV style mugshots, no public bathroom mirror selfies, no dear-in-the-headlights selfies with nostrils flaring, etc. Use your freaking camera timer and take some good pics of yourself. Don't try too hard to be sexy but try to make yourself attractive. Google how to take a good selfie. Women find men sexy when they aren't trying to be sexy.

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If you followed Guide 2 you casted a wide net via your "fake / backup" profile and brought some babies close to your boat. Now it's time to spear fish the best ones identified from your 3 tier list of woman. You'll make a new profile that reflects what.

It's important to note while using your "fake / backup" profile in Guide 2, some of those women may notice you were online every day, multiple times per day. That smells like desperation. For some women out looking to make a buck it won't matter. But for that certain caliber of women you're looking for that might turn her off. Creating your "real / primary" profile now does two things: A) you become a fresh new face and B) any women who were so bored by your "fake" profile may have "hidden" it from their searches. Yes, that's a feature of SA. That's why you simply don't update that 1st profile that you've been playing with for weeks. Now that you're more savvy with the site you're ready to make a new solid gold profile that's sure to attract the hotties.

The strategy for using your real / primary profile is this: use it sparingly. Log on, favorite, log off, and wait. It's still free. If you can't help yourself from viewing women's profiles do it from your "fake / backup" profile. Here are the steps:

1. Create a new profile using new email, and make your profile Gold per Guide #4 and 5, and wait for it to be approved so women can see it. Don't view any (because you already have your list from Guide 2).

2. Once approved, login again and Favorite the tier 1 hotties you identified as being active and log off.

3. Wait a few days to a week. Give those women time to react to you, they may not be obsessed and checking it hourly like you. You'll get an email alert when they do. In the meantime, you can use your "backup" profile to see if any of those women logged since. If so and you didn't get an email then you didn't peak their interest or they're engaged with another member. Give it some time.

4. Note: since this profile is brand new, you'll get the same type of scammers you saw per the steps in Guide 2, so ignore them all. Many women will view this profile simply because you are a "new user".

5. If you get an email alerts that a baby has messaged or favorited it will include their user name. If it's not one of your hotties ignore it for now (even if she's on a lower tier). You can go back to it later if none of your top tier babies pan out. Be patient and continue to fish for the top tier girls you really want.

6. If you don't get any reaction from your top tier hotties after a week, log back into your primary profile and poke them with a request to view her album or share yours. Sometimes it takes a little prodding. You can also Favorite some of your second tier women from your list. Continue doing this, only strategically logging when necessary to minimize the instances it looks like you are online until you get some interest. Don't get impatient and shot gun Favorites to every women. You are on this site to land the unicorn so play it out. It's all free still. Don't put any skin into the game until you've dealt yourself a good hand.

7. Only after you get a few nice prospects Favoriting you or messaging you back is it time to buy the Subscription! There is no need to buy the subscription until you've got a few girls on the hook because your 30 day clock starts running. So don't squander your precious paid time. Make sure you know how to purchase the membership with a credit card hidden from spouse or a pre-paid check card. You need a subscription to read or send messages.

Hopefully the point of this 2 profile system is clear. You want to look like a new member AFTER you've done all of your experimenting in a fake profile. Your "primary" profile will have no such history. This is subtle, but it might make a difference to your 2nd and 3rd tier women who may have noticed your other profile was constantly online every day and either blocked you, or felt rejected that you never favorited her. You want a woman to feel like the first time you viewed her you had to reach out. That's the advantage with creating a fresh profile. But don't throw away your backup profile. Once you start talking with a Baby met via your primary profile you can tell her you want to be exclusive while still using your backup profile to see if any new hotties come online. That's the beauty of the two-profile system.

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You can do a lot for free on without sending or reading messages. Refer to my earlier post regarding Seeking Arrangements vs Secret Benefits. I prefer SA but my guide could be applied to SB. I'll describe a 2 profile system. You don't need two profiles but I think it can be useful. The first step is to sign up for free to test the waters and figure out an optimal plan of attack. Plan on spending a good two weeks playing around following this guide.

The reason for 2 profiles is this: one will be your "fake" or "backup" profile, while the other will be your real or "primary" profile. The main purpose of the "fake / backup" profile besides testing the site is to narrow down the field of babies. There are 100's of them. I'll talk about the "primary" profile in another guide which you will create LATER, and how you play the two off each other.

How to do it:

1. All you need is a unique email for each profile you create. For this first fake / backup profile you can either do the bare minimum that allows you to view women, or you can complete the profile 100% to give you the full experience. The steps outlined here suggest to do the full thing to get your profile approved and allows Babies to view your fake self. Guide #4-5 will talk about how to it all for real but this version will so you can get familiar with the site and learn how to interact with Babies a little.

2. Complete all the required fields and upload a picture to make sure your fake profile is 100% complete. At this step of the guide I recommend you make your fake profile as generic as possible. Upload a picture like a back of mans head or something stupid, and keep your profile description to the bare minimum of words or otherwise make yourself look boring or pathetic. You intentionally do not want women becoming interested in you at this point. Ill explain why in a minute. Once all steps are done you should get an approval email or rejection within a day or so. Go back and Edit Profile to see if any part has been rejected. You need to have an approved profile before any women can see this profile.

Note: you are going to become very familiar with the tools on SA that shows you when a Baby was "last online", "last viewed me", "favorited me", etc. As stated, this only works when you have a fully approved profile which may take a day or so after you complete it. Once it goes active, women will view your profile (guaranteed) just because you are new. However because I told you to create a pathetic profile, no woman should have reason to "favorite" or "message" you. If your pathetic profile gets favorited or messaged right away that means it's from a fake, a scammer or a low-grade hooker who recently discovered the internet.

3. Wait a 3 day or more after your profile has been approved so you can see the first wave of scams. Don't even view any women during this time, just wait. Any Baby profiles that messaged or favorited your pathetic profile should be avoided. Use the hide and block feature for those women once you've let things settle for that 1st week.

4. Now start viewing all the women in W MI but DO NOT favorite any or ask to see private albums (I know its killing you not to look, right? The point here is to get familiar with the search functions and get a sense of whos out there. You will spend hours a day looking at profiles, and those women will see that you viewed them. But because you still have a pathetic fake profile they shouldn't be messaging you. If they do, something aint right with them.

5. Make a priority list of women you think fits your wants / desired identified in Guide #1. Literally write a list of 3 categories: top tier hotties, middle tier women in your league, and 3rd tier women youd settle for. Literally write it down because youll lose track. Record their profile names, age, or keywords so you can find them again easily. Note when each was last online and how long has she been a member. Pay attention to inconsistency to their profile and pictures to spot fakes. Pictures with palm trees in the background, Southern College sweatshirts, or body descriptions that don't match the image. Try to identify which ones really seem like local women with a REAL description, not just a generic 2 sentences BIO. Youll may have a long list, but well narrow it down.

6. Once you have the lay of the land and your wish list, go ahead and update your profile (but DO NOT BUY MEMBERSHIP yet). If you are doing my 2 profile system were still using your fake / backup profile so update it but DO NOT bring your A Game. You just want to create an AVERAGE profile to see what type of language might get a reaction out of women. Remember: this isn't your real, finale profile so don't use a face pic of yourself (more on that in Guide 4).

7. Start flirting from your free, fake profile. Go through the women in your list and Favorite them, request albums, grant albums etc. , then monitor if any react in any way. If they are active they should at least click on your profile so youll seem them under Viewed Me. Maybe some even favorited your average looking profile? Update your 3-tiered list of women to keep track of which ones are live ones. If you don't see much activity, change your profile description a little to see what works. Refer to See Guide 6, but as I said, don't bring your A Game yet.

8. This might take you no time at all, or it might take you weeks to play with profiles and peak an interest of some of those dream girls.

You can consider it a success if after you Favorited a real hottie you see she viewed your profile back within a couple days. That's a good indication she's real, but simply wasn't interested in your boring profile. If you got a favorite or message in response then you are ahead of the game. Some guys are ready to buy the subscription at this point and start messaging using this starter profile. That's fine if you want. However if you're trying to catch a certain caliber of woman you'll take what you've learned and make your "real" solid gold profile per Guide #3 to catch her.

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I started writing down a few thoughts and ended up writing a book. This guide, broken up in multiple posts, is geared more towards the married man looking to score a quality relationship. If you're the type to blindly pay for a membership, shot-gun 100 messages and hope for the best then don't bother reading. I'd rather not pay for sex if I don't have to, so that's my angle. However lots of the advice is applicable to anyone who has time and good reading comprehension.

First thing: read Monger01's very 1st post in this thread (last page) and do your own research as to what you think women want or what kind of a "daddy" you'd like to be. Look through this entire thread.

If you are going to dabble in the Sugar scene you must first consider what you want out of it and what you can honestly manage. Certain types of babies are a commitment and require attention with regular texting, phone calls, meet-ups, spending $$, evenings / late nights, etc. Does your lifestyle allow you to do that? Can you hide the time and money you spend from your spouse? If you can't then you'll want to stay away from contacting babies who want some type of "relationship" beyond a pay-per-meet (PPM). It's possible to find normal, non-payment based relationship on these sites too, so if that's what you want then make sure you tailor your approach that way. That's where I've had success. Also think long and hard what your personal schedule allows. This is important to keep in mind before you jump onto a site and start talking with women. Just because that hot college girl contacted you doesn't mean you should waste time chatting with her if you can't afford a long drive and hotel room for a Ferris State coed Instead stick with older, local woman that can host. Figure this out before you spend any money.

General Advice: Don't act like someone you are not. The sugar sites are full of men who lie about their wealth or promise fabulous gifts but really are only looking for a one-time hookup. If that's your angle you probably won't have success because women will sniff you out. Men who appear more genuine while still being a little guarded about their privacy can have success. If you are searching for the girl who just got onto the site and has NEVER DONE THIS before she'll want to be convinced you are not an ax murderer. If you want a seasoned veteran, look for a woman who's been on the site for a long time. Either way, try to keep your full identity a closely guarded secret. Use a hobby phone for texting, fake email, etc.

Some guys can jump into the sugar scene head first and do well. Others don't know how to swim. My advice is for the cautious, over-thinkers as well as those who want more than a cheap escort. Fisherman may be able to relate to this: be well equipped, know which lures to use, be patient, don't overreact to a nibble, know how to reel it in, and don't be afraid to cut bait. The guide is to get them into your boat, after that it's up to you to undress them.

• Keys to success:
  Know what you are really after and don't send mix signals.
  Understand the process and make the most of it. Guides #2 and 3.
  Creating a profile that gets a woman's interest. Guides #4-5.
  How you communicate. Guide #6.
  Keeping a Baby happy. Guide #7.
  Avoid the scammers. (sprinkled throughout).

Enjoy, and remember to use the GR Pugilistic Society when you complain I blew up this thread.

[Gexem]

Hi Everyone. Wondering what is everyone's minum contribution towards your SB.

I find that it's very rare to find anything under 200 per meeting, at least if you're looking toward the young-and-cute end of the spectrum. Anyone who wants less than that is almost always going to be heavy, older, or plain old ugly. And of course there are lots who want more, but I generally just hard pass anyone who won't accept 200.

The good news is that for 200 you get a lot more than an escort appt. Most are quite a bit better looking than escorts (the real ones, not the fake pics). Almost always multiple shots, many will do BB if that's a risk you're willing to take, they don't clock-watch, and for the most part they'll actually enjoy the process.

[StevesMilin]

Hi Everyone. Wondering what is everyone's minum contribution towards your SB. I agree the sugar life is more expensive but wanted to get others set up. Met with one, she required a minum of $$$ for an evening. I told her I'm in the 100-150 per meeting plus dinner / drinks. We continued to talk and parted ways and I did mention if she changed her mind to let me know. I agree my budget may be below what other guys spend. She is tall and pretty and I want some so might just pocket it out.

Anyone care to comment please PM me or reply on board.

Thanks.

I have two SBs that I see regularly for 100 per visit. No time constraints. They are in their 40's, not exactly primo, but great nevertheless. One is a near nympho. But many are in the 200-300 range. Younger and hotter is costlier.

[SeniorChapo]

Hi Everyone. Wondering what is everyone's minum contribution towards your SB. I agree the sugar life is more expensive but wanted to get others set up. Met with one, she required a minum of $$$ for an evening. I told her I'm in the 100-150 per meeting plus dinner / drinks. We continued to talk and parted ways and I did mention if she changed her mind to let me know. I agree my budget may be below what other guys spend. She is tall and pretty and I want some so might just pocket it out.

Anyone care to comment please PM me or reply on board.

Thanks.

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In cases like yours where the "sugar baby" gave you permission to share her info, she's basically asking to be a UTR escort. In that case you can review her generically speaking and have guys PM you for details. We do it all the time. Personally I think that type of post belongs in escort reports, but that's spitting hairs.

If someone comes across a scammer or whatever, Seeking.com has mechanism to allow you to flag her as a violation and her profile will get removed. That seems like the more appropriate thing to do. Assuming it works. Rather then posting it here. I said my peace regarding posting sex reviews of good babies. I prefaced it with "humble opinion" but that didn't fly. So my official stance is guys can post anything in accordance to the forum guidelines. 😁.

So. Are we all in agreement we should not review SA girls in the public forum?. Just let others know if they are real or scammers of some kind.

If anyone wants details of the meeting they may private message us.

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So. Are we all in agreement we should not review SA girls in the public forum?. Just let others know if they are real or scammers of some kind.

If anyone wants details of the meeting they may private message us.

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Wow, I started this topic so I guess I should own it. Sorry for the uproar. Yes I probably over analyze things, but no I don't need my head examined. I'm on my 2nd successful non-paying relationship with a young woman from SA. She happens to be hot as hell, half my age and loves sex. I'm sorry if anyone finds that hard to believe, but other men have posted similar experiences to mine. Just RTFF. The fact is not all baby profiles are escorts. You'll find open relationships, swingers, and women who use it like a free dating site too. If that's hard to fathom, stick to STG.

I won't discourage anyone from posting a review of an escort. We have a place for that in the Escort Reports. The point of this particular thread is to provide guidance on how to be successful at finding Sugar Babies around Grand Rapids. My advice for anyone seeking it is simple: don't treat them as escorts.

[Gexem]

There's no one-size-fits-all description of the girls on sugar baby sites. You can be pretty sure that everyone advertising on STG is there strictly for pay-to-play. On SA? There's a variety. Some are certainly there to do the escort thing, but others treat it as a dating site, yet others are trying to get $ for nothing ("platonic" still others want sex without strings and figure a little extra cash is a nice bonus. Sharing information is fine. The more you know and all that. But you have to keep in mind that a girl could fall into any of those categories (or others I haven't listed) and she may not act the same with every guy.

[Blackfire]

True, they're not. But they are being used as such -- to a straight-up degree as found on Skip The Games, or in another "genre", but still on the same level as an escort where it's still pay-to-have-me-around-and-pork while you're not a match-making item by any means, just a GFE-regular. But yes, there are some who aren't quite like that, or not at all. It can then become more like Massage Parlors -- you don't want to give away everything and go into detail, but more categorize what to expect.

You'll want to know that X gal is going to want to charge you a PPM (pay per meet) -- even with no fooling around, on the 1st person-to-person meetup. You'll also want to know what X gal charges in general, where obviously it's not just a meet-and-greet, and if an initial meeting doesn't cost anything (which it shouldn't), and what she looks like in person, etc.

But you'll also want to know what X gal is looking for VS what you're looking for, etc.

IMO, unless she's a straight-up escort on there (yes, they commonly exist there but almost all don't Say it in their ad; you find out once chatting some) -- you don't have to go into the details of all the positions, how good her vagina is, how wet she is, whether she likes greek or not, like an escort ad. You can just say "Yeah, she's as hot as her pics, and she's just looking for a guy to be 'dating' for a while only. Looks great naked, it was great," and that's about it on the physical side. I do believe one could say she was x / why / z, good or bad, in wanting money / gifts and in what way to be dating.

I think some people way overthink and over analyze! Seeking is just another advertising avenue for escorts to reach their audience. If anyone actually thinks that most of these young ladies are just jonesing to meet a 50 or 60 year old man and satisfy him sexually and would do it for no cash you need to get your big head examined. I say review away. I think there was even an argument that these innocent girls shouldn't be reviewed because they may see the review on here and be horrified someone thinks they're a prostitute. And that other innocent girls may see reviews here and not sign up for SA / Do you really think a lot of innocent girls are perusing this site?