MotorCity Mayhem

[Concupiscent69]

I think the Feds have screwed the pooch on this. Businesses that had to close because of the lockdown should have been covered so people are not pushed into poverty. And before someone jumps on my ass for suggesting that, see if you get a ride on tom Brady's new boat. You paid for it. Had we followed the science and done what let's say New Zealand did, we might not be in the mess we are in now. Just my opinion. Yes, I know there isn't any one right answer. Can we just help each other a little bit?

More so Whitmer screwed the pooch. All restaurants were complying with the mask and distance order, yet she closes them and keeps gyms and other facilities open. Restaurants have more employees than gyms, which cost more jobs. She is not fit to be making decisions, let alone be in power.

[SingDong99]

I think the Feds have screwed the pooch on this. Businesses that had to close because of the lockdown should have been covered so people are not pushed into poverty. And before someone jumps on my ass for suggesting that, see if you get a ride on tom Brady's new boat. You paid for it. Had we followed the science and done what let's say New Zealand did, we might not be in the mess we are in now. Just my opinion. Yes, I know there isn't any one right answer. Can we just help each other a little bit?

Oh Christ, not another "follow the science" guy. You've been reading too much CNN.

The actual deaths CAUSED by this virus are a small fraction of the reported deaths. Follow the science and see for yourself.

The total deaths from all causes in the country are flat, year over year. Shouldn't they be 300 k higher? Follow the science bro.

You mention New Zealand, but only know what CNN reported. Do you know what's really happening there? They are in the midst of a mental health crisis and economic devastation. Drug use, suicide, poverty, all way up. Follow the science!

I would go on and on but fact based responses to folks like you usually falls on deaf ears.

[AIImonger]

There's a saying in IT, GIGO.

Too many arguments ignore the HUGE cost of a lockdown. Families pushed into poverty for a decade or more, suicides, lack of access to care for other illnesses, even chemo therapy, livelihoods destroyed. The list is longer. Every coin has two sides. There is more than one way to lose a life.

I think the Feds have screwed the pooch on this. Businesses that had to close because of the lockdown should have been covered so people are not pushed into poverty. And before someone jumps on my ass for suggesting that, see if you get a ride on tom Brady's new boat. You paid for it. Had we followed the science and done what let's say New Zealand did, we might not be in the mess we are in now. Just my opinion. Yes, I know there isn't any one right answer. Can we just help each other a little bit?

[TeeTime69]

OK I have kept my mouth shut on this topic. Till now.

So what you are saying is it's ok that 1% dies from this.

How many more people are dying this year over last year ?

There's a saying in IT, GIGO.

Too many arguments ignore the HUGE cost of a lockdown. Families pushed into poverty for a decade or more, suicides, lack of access to care for other illnesses, even chemo therapy, livelihoods destroyed. The list is longer. Every coin has two sides. There is more than one way to lose a life.

[SmoothDriver]

How am I the douche? Wouldn't the douche be the one trying to be a world class Research Assistant, without accurate data? The guy trying to pretend he has a doctorate In Epidemiology?

Pie boy you are so right. If it's 1 % let it be the people taking it lightly be in the 1%. Karma for the non believers.

[AIImonger]

Regardless of how the exact numbers shake out, I think any reasonable person would have to agree the fatality rate is way, way, way under 1%.

Do any of you remember looking at Michigan data earlier in the pandemic, April / May? We had a 13% (THIRTEEN PERCENT!) mortality rate for COVID cases in Michigan. That number has fallen dramatically but obviously was egregious to begin with.

When you factor in the large number of asymptomatic cases (or cases where people get Covid but don't get tested, like my kids for example when my wife and I had it and the kids got sick), the real number of cases is astronomical. Pair with that the deaths tagged as "Covid deaths" which were not really the cause of death and what you are left with is a disease that just isn't dangerous for 99.9 x% of the population.

OK I have kept my mouth shut on this topic. Till now.

So what you are saying is it's ok that 1% dies from this.

How many more people are dying this year over last year ?

[SingDong99]

Regardless of how the exact numbers shake out, I think any reasonable person would have to agree the fatality rate is way, way, way under 1%.

Do any of you remember looking at Michigan data earlier in the pandemic, April / May? We had a 13% (THIRTEEN PERCENT!) mortality rate for COVID cases in Michigan. That number has fallen dramatically but obviously was egregious to begin with.

When you factor in the large number of asymptomatic cases (or cases where people get Covid but don't get tested, like my kids for example when my wife and I had it and the kids got sick), the real number of cases is astronomical. Pair with that the deaths tagged as "Covid deaths" which were not really the cause of death and what you are left with is a disease that just isn't dangerous for 99.9 x% of the population.

[PieBoy]

All five if these studies were done in April and May when the number of confirmed cases world wide was around 3,000,000.

Thanks for playing though.

Fucking douche.

How am I the douche? Wouldn't the douche be the one trying to be a world class Research Assistant, without accurate data? The guy trying to pretend he has a doctorate In Epidemiology?

[Jackknoff]

All five if these studies were done in April and May when the number of confirmed cases world wide was around 3,000,000.

Thanks for playing though.

Fucking douche.

The primary point of your argument is that the number of cases is underreported by a factor of 50 times. I didn't see that anywhere in the link you included. Can you point that out. As PieBoy accurately points out the US doesn't have enough people to have 50 times the 16.1 million cases. That would require 805 million cases in the US. Our population is less than half that. About 328 million (41% of 805 M).

[Admin2]

50 times 16 million is, lets see, 800 million cases in the US? Lets try again. If that were true, weve each had it more than twice. As the testing increases, the multiplier probably drops. Your overall point is valid, your math skills not so much.

All five if these studies were done in April and May when the number of confirmed cases world wide was around 3,000,000.

Thanks for playing though.

Fucking douche.

[PieBoy]

There have been 5 major antibody tests done, Spain, Germany, NY State, LA County and Santa Clara. All of them reached the same conclusion, 50-80 X the number of people have recovered from Covid than there have been confirmed cases. 50 X more cases means that the IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) goes down which is why the CDC puts it at. 26%. Team lockdown likes to forget about the low intensity symptom and asymptomatic cases when talking about the death rate "297,971 covid deaths in US, 16.1 M cases. 297,791 / 16,100,000 = 2% death rate" but then they like to remember then when finger wagging people for not using masks, then it's "there are who knows how many unknown cases. " The CDC puts the mortality rate at. 26% that's what it is, it's not 2% it's. 26% end of story.

Again, and again, and again, I will repeat, that the number of people who have died of all causes in the US in 2020 is the same as in 2017,2018, and 2019. Those years a total of 2. 85 million people died of all causes, right now we are at 2. 7 million with two weeks to go. 91% if the deaths were over 55,94% of them had an average of 2. 9 of the health issues that covid feeds on, the VAST majority of people who have died were elderly and sick before getting covid. There are lots of people dying WITH covid, there are few people dying OF covid.

Before you fingerwag me, just look. It's all right here. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm.

50 times 16 million is, lets see, 800 million cases in the US? Lets try again. If that were true, weve each had it more than twice. As the testing increases, the multiplier probably drops. Your overall point is valid, your math skills not so much.

[Admin2]

It isn't a 99.74% survival rate. 98% is more accurate. 297,971 covid deaths in US, 16.1 M cases. 297,791 / 16,100,000 = 2% death rate. Current Daily Death toll is about same as 911 or Pearl Habor. Every day.

There have been 5 major antibody tests done, Spain, Germany, NY State, LA County and Santa Clara. All of them reached the same conclusion, 50-80 X the number of people have recovered from Covid than there have been confirmed cases. 50 X more cases means that the IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) goes down which is why the CDC puts it at. 26%. Team lockdown likes to forget about the low intensity symptom and asymptomatic cases when talking about the death rate "297,971 covid deaths in US, 16.1 M cases. 297,791 / 16,100,000 = 2% death rate" but then they like to remember then when finger wagging people for not using masks, then it's "there are who knows how many unknown cases. " The CDC puts the mortality rate at. 26% that's what it is, it's not 2% it's. 26% end of story.

Again, and again, and again, I will repeat, that the number of people who have died of all causes in the US in 2020 is the same as in 2017,2018, and 2019. Those years a total of 2. 85 million people died of all causes, right now we are at 2. 7 million with two weeks to go. 91% if the deaths were over 55,94% of them had an average of 2. 9 of the health issues that covid feeds on, the VAST majority of people who have died were elderly and sick before getting covid. There are lots of people dying WITH covid, there are few people dying OF covid.

Before you fingerwag me, just look. It's all right here. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm.

[PieBoy]

It isn't a 99.74% survival rate. 98% is more accurate. 297,971 covid deaths in US, 16.1 M cases. 297,791 / 16,100,000 = 2% death rate. Current Daily Death toll is about same as 911 or Pearl Habor. Every day.

You're ignoring estimates of all the asymptomatic cases that never got tested. Could be 20,000,000 more cases.

[Concupiscent69]

You are either too lazy or too dumb to spell the word "dick" correctly.

You're debating (if that's even possible with him) a fool who's too ignorant, stupid and uneducated and doesn't care that the world knows it. Continuing on with him is just as foolish.

"Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It".

-- Author Unknown.

[Jackknoff]

I was traveling across the country due to this amazing opportunity to work remotely. My employer wouldn't have allowed anybody to work remotely before. I traveled to plenty of places, visited a lot of AMPs, AAMPS, went to Las Vegas (too many stories from there) went to California, etc. If you have the opportunity, I recommend traveling on a road trip and working remotely. A lot of opportunities to try out providers that you wouldn't be able to try out here. Honestly I think many of these providers are better than the Michigan providers. I almost went to Mexico, but I didn't feel like walking through the border during this pandemic.

Speaking of the pandemic, I recently caught COVID-19 a couple of weeks ago. I came back from my trip in October, so it wasn't from my trip. I don't want to mention too many details regarding my age, but the way my body reacted to COVID-19, it felt like a very terrible common cold, but with most of the symptoms that were on the CDC website. I could still taste and smell. You do get respiratory issues as well. I have asthma, and I am used to it. If you are scared of getting COVID-19, I recommend having an inhaler on hand, and use that if your breathing goes down. I don't think it's worth a hospital trip just because you're getting shortness of breath (not medical advice), but it happens to me all the time due to my asthma.

If you are healthy, and if you don't have that many health conditions, and at my age my doctor says I am very lucky I don't have any health conditions, then I wouldn't be scared with the pandemic. If you catch COVID-19, stay away from people for a minimum of 2 weeks. It's really simple to beat, and it does spread very quickly. For me, it felt like a terrible common cold. I had much much much worse before.

If you have pre-existing conditions, especially with your lungs (ex, if you were a smoker), heart, liver, kidney, Inflammation, diabetes, etc. , I would be cautious of COVID-19 if I were you. If you are healthy and if you don't want to easily spread it to people with pre-existing conditions, please be cautious.

The fact is that 99.74% of people who catch COVID-19 will end up beating it. Let's not forget that COVID-19 is a virus, and it is not a disease.

I'm not a COVID-19 expert, but this is how I felt when I caught the virus. None of this is medical advice, this is just my story. It wasn't that bad for me. A few family members and friends caught it from me (unfortunately I had no symptoms when it first entered my system), and all of my family members and friends beat it just fine. My friend's grandfather caught it, and all he had was mild symptoms.

Stay safe out there. COVID-19 spreads very quickly, and it effects everybody differently.

I moved this to the fight thread. I didn't do it because of your report, I did it because now there are going to be about a million assholes who must insist that Covid is worse than ebola.

I moved it for their remarks, not your post.

I also changed your recovery percent, it's not 98, it's 99.74%.

A2

It isn't a 99.74% survival rate. 98% is more accurate. 297,971 covid deaths in US, 16.1 M cases. 297,791 / 16,100,000 = 2% death rate. Current Daily Death toll is about same as 911 or Pearl Habor. Every day.