Rants and Raves

[Niteluvr]

You sound rather happy about that, if those figures are indeed true unless you are going by the daily pablum that CNN feeds you. Let's keep it simple though. Let's continue the shutdown and the strangulation of the economy and only deaths will follow! No messy hospitalizations, only deaths. Let's continue to destroy our lives, our livelihoods, our hobbies, our pleasures, all the things that used to give our lives meaning and purpose, let's just destroy all of it and then rejoice in our success. No sports, no concerts, no restaurants, no bars, no symphonies, no churches, no grocery stores, no drugstores, no retail stores, no art galleries, no airlines, no buses, no trains, no movies, no theater, no parks, etc, etc, etc. Let's all wear masks and gloves for the rest of our lives and not get within a fucking mile of another human being. Sounds like utopia to me! We are well on our way, my friends. Keep up the good work. And when you have destroyed it all in the name of being safe and you are reveling in the grimness of the brave new world that you have created for us all, be sure and let me know how that feels. Because it becomes more obvious to me every day that many of you shutdown advocates out there have no fucking clue as to what you will reap from this mindless sowing. Be safe out there, and keep wearing those goddam masks.

And are you happy to be the turd radical on the opposite end of the spectrum? Try contributing something of value to end this stupid shit instead of dumping fuel on the fire.

[Sgt Lurker]

You sound rather happy about that, if those figures are indeed true unless you are going by the daily pablum that CNN feeds you. Let's keep it simple though. Let's continue the shutdown and the strangulation of the economy and only deaths will follow! No messy hospitalizations, only deaths. Let's continue to destroy our lives, our livelihoods, our hobbies, our pleasures, all the things that used to give our lives meaning and purpose, let's just destroy all of it and then rejoice in our success. No sports, no concerts, no restaurants, no bars, no symphonies, no churches, no grocery stores, no drugstores, no retail stores, no art galleries, no airlines, no buses, no trains, no movies, no theater, no parks, etc, etc, etc. Let's all wear masks and gloves for the rest of our lives and not get within a fucking mile of another human being. Sounds like utopia to me! We are well on our way, my friends. Keep up the good work. And when you have destroyed it all in the name of being safe and you are reveling in the grimness of the brave new world that you have created for us all, be sure and let me know how that feels. Because it becomes more obvious to me every day that many of you shutdown advocates out there have no fucking clue as to what you will reap from this mindless sowing. Be safe out there, and keep wearing those goddam masks.

Well said!!

[HobbyMan51]

Infections are up 40% since re opening, hospitalizations and deaths will follow

You sound rather happy about that, if those figures are indeed true unless you are going by the daily pablum that CNN feeds you. Let's keep it simple though. Let's continue the shutdown and the strangulation of the economy and only deaths will follow! No messy hospitalizations, only deaths. Let's continue to destroy our lives, our livelihoods, our hobbies, our pleasures, all the things that used to give our lives meaning and purpose, let's just destroy all of it and then rejoice in our success. No sports, no concerts, no restaurants, no bars, no symphonies, no churches, no grocery stores, no drugstores, no retail stores, no art galleries, no airlines, no buses, no trains, no movies, no theater, no parks, etc, etc, etc. Let's all wear masks and gloves for the rest of our lives and not get within a fucking mile of another human being. Sounds like utopia to me! We are well on our way, my friends. Keep up the good work. And when you have destroyed it all in the name of being safe and you are reveling in the grimness of the brave new world that you have created for us all, be sure and let me know how that feels. Because it becomes more obvious to me every day that many of you shutdown advocates out there have no fucking clue as to what you will reap from this mindless sowing. Be safe out there, and keep wearing those goddam masks.

[KingSlayer22]

Your own numbers show hospitalizations in Hall have declined more than 20 percent in the past 10 days. In addition, death rates throughout Georgia have declined sharply over the past two weeks, as have newly reported cases.

The virus is still out there, but this thing is definitely moving in the right direction.

Infections are up 40% since re opening, hospitalizations and deaths will follow.

[Jims2321]

Your own numbers show hospitalizations in Hall have declined more than 20 percent in the past 10 days. In addition, death rates throughout Georgia have declined sharply over the past two weeks, as have newly reported cases.

The virus is still out there, but this thing is definitely moving in the right direction.

This is a great article and model on where we are in both testing, fatalities and where we need to be to prevent further upward trend of this virus.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ur-state-doing

And this one shows graphically how the US is doing, and you can look at by state. FYI, Georgia is still climbing. And yes we would expect that as we test more, to see more positives. But that is exactly why we need to continue social distancing, because we don't know who has it, who doesn't and who had it, until we have a better sampling of the population. This can quickly turn nasty, then it back to lockdowns.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...rus-in-the-u-s

[Jims2321]

Your own numbers show hospitalizations in Hall have declined more than 20 percent in the past 10 days. In addition, death rates throughout Georgia have declined sharply over the past two weeks, as have newly reported cases.

The virus is still out there, but this thing is definitely moving in the right direction.

WTF are you talking about?

It went from 1238 on Apr 28th to 1997 on May 8th. That is not a decrease, that is over 38% increase. In cases. As for death rate decreasing. That mostly flat. But the GPH has admitted those are underreported as well.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

[Niteluvr]

Hey Nite, it's undoubtedly because of the Chicken processing plants. The majority of the workers are Hispanic, most likely living in close quarters with multiple family members. Both the working and living conditions are very much a predisposing factor to transmission.

Yeah, probably. After I posted, I did a little reading. I previously only knew of one chicken processing plant in Gainesville. Turns out there are several.

[Allen981]

Your own numbers show hospitalizations in Hall have declined more than 20 percent in the past 10 days. In addition, death rates throughout Georgia have declined sharply over the past two weeks, as have newly reported cases.

The virus is still out there, but this thing is definitely moving in the right direction.

You are still missing the point. If you had read the entire article. Then you would have seen the part about the vaccines have little or no impact on the influenza death.

Implications for Influenza Vaccines.

Historical influenza mortality data contain many relevant implications for influenza vaccination campaigns.

The overall decline in influenza-attributed mortality over the 20th century cannot be the result of influenza vaccination.

Because vaccination did not become available until the 1940's and was not widely used until the late 1980's.

This rapid decline, which commenced around the end of World War II.

Points to the possibility that social changes led to a change in the ecology of influenza viruses.

I found that declining mortality rates occurred simultaneously with expanded influenza vaccine coverage since 1980.

Especially for the elderly (65 years and older). However, recent research suggests that vaccination is an unlikely explanation of mortality trends.

A 2005 US National Institutes of Health study of over 30 influenza seasons "could not correlate increasing vaccination coverage.

After 1980 with declining mortality rates in any age group. ".

Other research has reviewed available international studies of inactivated influenza vaccine effectiveness and efficacy.

One study concluded that "evidence from systematic reviews shows that inactivated vaccines have little or no effect on the effects measured. ".

Considered in light of the data presented here, these studies imply that other causessuch as an improvement in living conditions.

Or naturally acquired immunity from similar strains of influenza virusmay have been partially responsible for the declining trends in recorded influenza mortality.

The main reason we were able to bend the curve from an exponential growth in death rate.

Is because we took away the ability of the virus to spread because of social distancing.

Shutting down common gathering areas (churches / restaurants / stadiums / concerts / mass transit).

Did it stop it. No it allow our medical system to avoid complete collapse, it allow our medical system to start to catch up. We have now been about 2 weeks in Georgia easing of restrictions.

As you can see # of cases is increasing, despite Gov. Kemp's claim to the contrary.

https://www.gainesvilletimes.com/new...-totals-state/

May 8: 32,177, including 1,997 in Hall; 1,400 have died statewide, including 28 in Hall; NGHS is treating 123 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 406.

May 7: 31,600, including 1,958 in Hall; 1,352 have died statewide, including 27 in Hall; NGHS is treating 134 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 394.

May 6: 30,738, including 1,914 in Hall; 1,327 have died statewide, including 27 in Hall; NGHS is treating 134 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 388.

May 5: 29,852, including 1,836 in Hall; 1,294 have died statewide, including 26 in Hall; NGHS is treating 135 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 364.

May 4: 29,103, including 1,712 in Hall; 1,204 have died statewide, including 23 in Hall; NGHS is treating 125 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 348.

May 3: 28,602, including 1,695 in Hall; 1,177 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS data is not updated on the weekends.

May 2: 28,331, including 1,694 in Hall; 1,175 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS data is not updated on the weekends.

May 1: 27,492, including 1,481 in Hall; 1,165 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS is treating 146 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 318.

April 30:26,260, including 1,332 in Hall; 1,132 have died statewide, including 21 in Hall; NGHS is treating 153 patients with confirmed cases.

April 29:25,644, including 1,238 in Hall; 1,095 have died statewide, including 20 in Hall; NGHS is treating 159 patients with confirmed cases.

Does that look like the number is trending downward? And those are the reported cases. Who knows how many are asymptomatic.

[Jims2321]

Hey Nite, it's undoubtedly because of the Chicken processing plants. The majority of the workers are Hispanic, most likely living in close quarters with multiple family members. Both the working and living conditions are very much a predisposing factor to transmission.

Correct, Lots of the hotspots in rural America seem to be centered upon meat processing plants, and to some extent the massive agro farms, where thousands of migrant workers harvest crops and live in dorms. We will see more and more of that popping up through the summer. We will not be going to zero or even declining in the number of cases or deaths, but as the CDC / NIH predicts around 3 K deaths / day and north of 100 K. That is assuming that we still practice some of the recommendations.

What this means is a lot of our food supply will be left in the fields or as we have seen dumped. That is in addition to the fact April the trucking industry jobs losses that get that food to us will make it even more difficult.

https://www.businessinsider.com/truc...-report-2020-5

This is the gift that keeps giving.

[Hungry Clif]

Seems Gainesville has become a new hot spot for C-19 in Georgia, per my local newspaper. I'm curious why. Did the Gainesville Times reveal any clues for the uptick?

Hey Nite, it's undoubtedly because of the Chicken processing plants. The majority of the workers are Hispanic, most likely living in close quarters with multiple family members. Both the working and living conditions are very much a predisposing factor to transmission.

[Niteluvr]

You are still missing the point. If you had read the entire article. Then you would have seen the part about the vaccines have little or no impact on the influenza death.

Implications for Influenza Vaccines.

Historical influenza mortality data contain many relevant implications for influenza vaccination campaigns.

The overall decline in influenza-attributed mortality over the 20th century cannot be the result of influenza vaccination.

Because vaccination did not become available until the 1940's and was not widely used until the late 1980's.

This rapid decline, which commenced around the end of World War II.

Points to the possibility that social changes led to a change in the ecology of influenza viruses.

I found that declining mortality rates occurred simultaneously with expanded influenza vaccine coverage since 1980.

Seems Gainesville has become a new hot spot for C-19 in Georgia, per my local newspaper. I'm curious why. Did the Gainesville Times reveal any clues for the uptick?

[Jims2321]

Exactly. A virus from China killed a pop adj 250 k Americans and life went on. Crime, murders, wars, protests, govt investigations and a massive concert attended by 400,000. Restaurants, bars, sports leagues, business' stayed open. No lockdown quarantines

You are still missing the point. If you had read the entire article. Then you would have seen the part about the vaccines have little or no impact on the influenza death.

Implications for Influenza Vaccines.

Historical influenza mortality data contain many relevant implications for influenza vaccination campaigns.

The overall decline in influenza-attributed mortality over the 20th century cannot be the result of influenza vaccination.

Because vaccination did not become available until the 1940's and was not widely used until the late 1980's.

This rapid decline, which commenced around the end of World War II.

Points to the possibility that social changes led to a change in the ecology of influenza viruses.

I found that declining mortality rates occurred simultaneously with expanded influenza vaccine coverage since 1980.

Especially for the elderly (65 years and older). However, recent research suggests that vaccination is an unlikely explanation of mortality trends.

A 2005 US National Institutes of Health study of over 30 influenza seasons "could not correlate increasing vaccination coverage.

After 1980 with declining mortality rates in any age group. ".

Other research has reviewed available international studies of inactivated influenza vaccine effectiveness and efficacy.

One study concluded that "evidence from systematic reviews shows that inactivated vaccines have little or no effect on the effects measured. ".

Considered in light of the data presented here, these studies imply that other causes–such as an improvement in living conditions.

Or naturally acquired immunity from similar strains of influenza virus–may have been partially responsible for the declining trends in recorded influenza mortality.

The main reason we were able to bend the curve from an exponential growth in death rate.

Is because we took away the ability of the virus to spread because of social distancing.

Shutting down common gathering areas (churches / restaurants / stadiums / concerts / mass transit).

Did it stop it. No it allow our medical system to avoid complete collapse, it allow our medical system to start to catch up. We have now been about 2 weeks in Georgia easing of restrictions.

As you can see # of cases is increasing, despite Gov. Kemp's claim to the contrary.

https://www.gainesvilletimes.com/new...-totals-state/

May 8: 32,177, including 1,997 in Hall; 1,400 have died statewide, including 28 in Hall; NGHS is treating 123 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 406.

May 7: 31,600, including 1,958 in Hall; 1,352 have died statewide, including 27 in Hall; NGHS is treating 134 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 394.

May 6: 30,738, including 1,914 in Hall; 1,327 have died statewide, including 27 in Hall; NGHS is treating 134 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 388.

May 5: 29,852, including 1,836 in Hall; 1,294 have died statewide, including 26 in Hall; NGHS is treating 135 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 364.

May 4: 29,103, including 1,712 in Hall; 1,204 have died statewide, including 23 in Hall; NGHS is treating 125 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 348.

May 3: 28,602, including 1,695 in Hall; 1,177 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS data is not updated on the weekends.

May 2: 28,331, including 1,694 in Hall; 1,175 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS data is not updated on the weekends.

May 1: 27,492, including 1,481 in Hall; 1,165 have died statewide, including 22 in Hall; NGHS is treating 146 patients with confirmed cases and has discharged 318.

April 30:26,260, including 1,332 in Hall; 1,132 have died statewide, including 21 in Hall; NGHS is treating 153 patients with confirmed cases.

April 29:25,644, including 1,238 in Hall; 1,095 have died statewide, including 20 in Hall; NGHS is treating 159 patients with confirmed cases.

Does that look like the number is trending downward? And those are the reported cases. Who knows how many are asymptomatic.

[Niteluvr]

You think anecdotal evidence is more valid than actual facts and data? You don't think WW 1, thats right 1, had any effect on the second and third wave of the spanish Flu?

A M-16A1 and I can't tell you how to clean it blindfolded, war hero.

Where did I copy and paste anything from an newspaper opinion piece or a new article?

You want to cower in fear inside tho facts tell you if you're healthy and under 60 your risk is minimal at best, do it.

Someone here once referred to you as an old drunk. At that time I wondered why. I don't anymore.

You still don't know how to abbreviate World War One? It is WWI and World War Two is WWII. And it's "An" M-16 A1, not "A" M-16 A1. Were you absent during first grade?

Who is cowering in fear about anything? Obviously not me and I haven't worn a mask yet. I do keep one in my truck though, in case it becomes mandatory for the general public.

[Aaron Hamlet]

You sort of left off some info.

There were a few important events occurring that overshadowed this pandemic.

1. Vietnam War.

2. Upcoming Apollo 11 launch / Moon Shot.

3. Robert Kennedy and MLK assassinations.

4. Warren Investigations into the JFK assassination.

5. The Race Riots in summer of 1968.

And this pandemic really did not stand out compared to regular influenza seasons for the period.

From the NIH / NCBI.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/

Similarity Between Pandemic and Nonpandemic Influenza Seasons.

With the notable exception of the 1918 pandemic, each influenza pandemic season was less lethal than the prior one, reflecting the overall seasonal trend in influenza deaths.

Compared with nonpandemic seasons, the 1957-1958 and 1968-1969 pandemics do not stand out as exceptional outliers, nor were these pandemics visually discernable from nonpandemics in seasonal (Figure 1) or monthly (Figure 2) influenza mortality graphs.

In fact, although nonpandemic influenza seasonal death rates never exceeded prior pandemic seasonal death rates, many nonpandemic seasons were more deadly than subsequent pandemics.

For example, the 1941-1942,1942-1943,1943-1944,1944-1945,1945-1946,1946-1947, and 1952-1953 nonpandemic seasons were all deadlier than the 1957-1958 pandemic season.

Similarly, the 1959-1960 nonpandemic season was almost as deadly as the 1968-1969 pandemic season (Table 1).

Exactly. A virus from China killed a pop adj 250 k Americans and life went on. Crime, murders, wars, protests, govt investigations and a massive concert attended by 400,000. Restaurants, bars, sports leagues, business' stayed open. No lockdown quarantines

[Jims2321]

This is copy and paste: Forty years ago another flu from Asia killed a population adjusted 250 thousand Americans and life went on as normal.

'In my lifetime, there was another deadly flu epidemic in the United States. The flu spread from Hong Kong to the United States, arriving December 1968 and peaking a year later. It ultimately killed 100,000 people in the USA, mostly over the age of 65, and one million worldwide.

Lifespan in the US in those days was 70 whereas it is 78 today. Population was 200 million as compared with 328 million today. It was also a healthier population with low obesity. If it would be possible to extrapolate the death data based on population and demographics, we might be looking at a quarter million deaths today from this virus. So in terms of lethality, it was as deadly and scary as COVID-19 if not more so, though we shall have to wait to see.

You sort of left off some info.

There were a few important events occurring that overshadowed this pandemic.

1. Vietnam War.

2. Upcoming Apollo 11 launch / Moon Shot.

3. Robert Kennedy and MLK assassinations.

4. Warren Investigations into the JFK assassination.

5. The Race Riots in summer of 1968.

And this pandemic really did not stand out compared to regular influenza seasons for the period.

From the NIH / NCBI.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/

Similarity Between Pandemic and Nonpandemic Influenza Seasons.

With the notable exception of the 1918 pandemic, each influenza pandemic season was less lethal than the prior one, reflecting the overall seasonal trend in influenza deaths.

Compared with nonpandemic seasons, the 1957-1958 and 1968-1969 pandemics do not stand out as exceptional outliers, nor were these pandemics visually discernable from nonpandemics in seasonal (Figure 1) or monthly (Figure 2) influenza mortality graphs.

In fact, although nonpandemic influenza seasonal death rates never exceeded prior pandemic seasonal death rates, many nonpandemic seasons were more deadly than subsequent pandemics.

For example, the 1941-1942,1942-1943,1943-1944,1944-1945,1945-1946,1946-1947, and 1952-1953 nonpandemic seasons were all deadlier than the 1957-1958 pandemic season.

Similarly, the 1959-1960 nonpandemic season was almost as deadly as the 1968-1969 pandemic season (Table 1).