Rants and Raves

[Svtcobra]

If you want to become a brain dead idiot with a brain full of mush, read Rants and Raves! Jesus Christ some of ya'll are ignorant fucks!

[Sgt Lurker]

FWIW, Forty percent of Americans are clinically obese and another 35% are overweight. Letting COVID run amok would most certainly overwhelm and might even bankrupt our health care system. According to the Newyork times, "More than a month has passed since there was a day with fewer than 1,000 deaths from the virus. Almost every day, at least 25,000 new coronavirus cases are identified, meaning that the total in the United States which has the highest number of known cases in the world with more than a million is expanding by between 2 and 4 percent daily. ".

"Rural towns that one month ago were unscathed are suddenly hot spots for the virus. It is rampaging through nursing homes, meatpacking plants and prisons, killing the medically vulnerable and the poor, and new outbreaks keep emerging in grocery stores, Walmarts or factories, an ominous harbinger of what a full reopening of the economy will bring. ".

And we have allowed big pharma to redefine obese, high BP, and other things just get us on drugs. Other countries, such as India, laugh at how quick we are to put people on drugs for tests they still consider to be in the normal range. I am not one to typically compare what works in countries the size of some of our average states but Sweden is not in the same boat. Plus, as I have said before, how many people who do have medical conditions are not getting them because the hospitals have shut down a lot of those procedures for now? We are going on 2 months now and some states may keep it another month. Dr Foolish Fauci wants all spectators not allowed in a sports complex this entire year along with concerts and other such things.

[Sgt Soros]

Vaccines do not magically appear and we cannot stay locked down that long. They call it a Flu Vaccine but it really isn't vaccine in the same sense as the polio or measles vaccines. The flu is only for a certain strain that year and is far from 100% effective and I do not intend to get stuck every year on a vaccine that may or may not prevent it. The shelter in place was to flatten the curve so as to not overwhelm the health care industry and we have done that! Mission accomplished. Let's get back on with life and those who wish to hide in their homes are free to do so.

FWIW, Forty percent of Americans are clinically obese and another 35% are overweight. Letting COVID run amok would most certainly overwhelm and might even bankrupt our health care system. According to the Newyork times, "More than a month has passed since there was a day with fewer than 1,000 deaths from the virus. Almost every day, at least 25,000 new coronavirus cases are identified, meaning that the total in the United States which has the highest number of known cases in the world with more than a million is expanding by between 2 and 4 percent daily. ".

"Rural towns that one month ago were unscathed are suddenly hot spots for the virus. It is rampaging through nursing homes, meatpacking plants and prisons, killing the medically vulnerable and the poor, and new outbreaks keep emerging in grocery stores, Walmarts or factories, an ominous harbinger of what a full reopening of the economy will bring. ".

[Bullett64]

Vaccines do not magically appear and we cannot stay locked down that long.

Both of these statements are true. It will take time to develop a vaccine and society must and will reopen before one is developed. The important consideration, however, is that this virus is not just another flu. It is far more contagious and continues to spread despite the rather draconian measures that we have taken to date.

Giving up now, however, is not the answer. While scientists are working on a vaccine based solution, it is incumbent on the rest of us to buy them time. The problem is to balance personal and economic freedoms with the sacrifices necessary to slow this thing down to a manageable level. Do I have all the answers? Certainly not. I doubt I know all the questions.

But I do know that unless we work together until we get this thing under control, we as a society will allow it to get much worse. 1 1/4 million cases and 75,000 dead in the US in the last two months is not something we should be ignoring. We should work to gradually and safely reopen the economy, but be ever mindful that it may cause an entire new wave of the disease.

[Sgt Lurker]

Oh, but my friend, you are. You are pulling a sample of jelly beans from a jar containing an unknown, but approximate number of them, and declaring that exactly 23.49174820725975% of them are red. Its mathematical bullshit and is done only because you think the number is more compelling than just 23-24%.

As to the age question, are we not a society who is in this together? Or are you just in it for yourself? If society as a whole does not work to slow this thing down until an effective vaccine is developed, you will eventually run out of convenient targets for the disease and it will progress to the next most available population group. Will it only become important when your age group is affected?

Why did we push so hard to contain AIDS when it mostly affected those who were young and gay? It didn't affect us, so why bother?

Like it or not, we are all part of the problem and we must all be part of the solution. Most of us are. We welcome you to join us when you grow up.

Vaccines do not magically appear and we cannot stay locked down that long. They call it a Flu Vaccine but it really isn't vaccine in the same sense as the polio or measles vaccines. The flu is only for a certain strain that year and is far from 100% effective and I do not intend to get stuck every year on a vaccine that may or may not prevent it. The shelter in place was to flatten the curve so as to not overwhelm the health care industry and we have done that! Mission accomplished. Let's get back on with life and those who wish to hide in their homes are free to do so.

[Niteluvr]

Oh, but my friend, you are. You are pulling a sample of jelly beans from a jar containing an unknown, but approximate number of them, and declaring that exactly 23.49174820725975% of them are red. Its mathematical bullshit and is done only because you think the number is more compelling than just 23-24%.

As to the age question, are we not a society who is in this together? Or are you just in it for yourself? If society as a whole does not work to slow this thing down until an effective vaccine is developed, you will eventually run out of convenient targets for the disease and it will progress to the next most available population group. Will it only become important when your age group is affected?

Why did we push so hard to contain AIDS when it mostly affected those who were young and gay? It didn't affect us, so why bother?

Like it or not, we are all part of the problem and we must all be part of the solution. Most of us are. We welcome you to join us when you grow up.

Damn good response. I also like to look at whole numbers, if possible, not percentages drawn out to the nth degree. That, and a shitload of common sense have always served me well.

[Bullett64]

Soo, in each and all's opinions, at the 85-90% group, if in excellent health, what is the % that one will not survive this world in the coming year and if or not continuing see a few ladies, what % chance of catching this fucking virus?? And what if wearing a mask and not going out anymore than necessary, helps keep from catching it?

Nobody knows. And therein lies the problem. It has been shown that this is a highly contagious disease and that maintaining public health requires public participation. To what end, one again, no-one knows. Keeping it under control until a a vaccine is developed seems to be the best strategy at the moment, but for the third time, no-one knows for sure.

Killing off all the old people is another way to go, but I personally think we can do better. Its called "public health" for a reason.

Wearing a mask and not going out more than possible is NOT guaranteed to keep you safe, but it IS guaranteed to keep you, and everyone else, safer.

No matter how many decimal places they use, no-one can give you exact percentages on anything relating to this disease. Its simply too soon. We can, however, separate the good ideas from the bad ideas and that is the problem the world is facing. When do they overlap? When does the benefit of reopening society become the problem of causing a new wave of disease? And when does the economic hardship of closing society outweigh the increase in deaths that will be caused if you open things up?

If you know ahead of that decision, the answer is easy. But as none of us has that level of clairvoyance, we have to make the best educated guesses that we can.

[Jims2321]

Hey, thanks to all for the info, The back and forth and all the OPINIONS are interesting and I guess even with the figures, its still guess work. Soo, in each and all's opinions, at the 85-90% group, if in excellent health, what is the % that one will not survive this world in the coming year and if or not continuing see a few ladies, what % chance of catching this fucking virus?? And what if wearing a mask and not going out anymore than necessary, helps keep from catching it?

Yes and I wish all wet dreams abound! PW.

The mask does not prevent you from catching it, or even lower the chance. The mask is to prevent you from spreading it. There are too many vectors for this virus, and this virus is very opportunistic. So catching it is pretty easy. Depending on your body immune system is the determining factor. If you have a normal immune response, probably better than 95% you will survive with just minor symptoms. If your immune system is either compromised, or over reactive then all bets are off. What is still being ignored, is that even if you recover, there will be damage to your organs (lungs, kidneys, heart). So what is long term prospect? That is something that medical science will start looking at after we are past this beginning phase.

[Bullett64]

My numbers are sound and I'm not ignorant of basic math.

Oh, but my friend, you are. You are pulling a sample of jelly beans from a jar containing an unknown, but approximate number of them, and declaring that exactly 23.49174820725975% of them are red. Its mathematical bullshit and is done only because you think the number is more compelling than just 23-24%.

As to the age question, are we not a society who is in this together? Or are you just in it for yourself? If society as a whole does not work to slow this thing down until an effective vaccine is developed, you will eventually run out of convenient targets for the disease and it will progress to the next most available population group. Will it only become important when your age group is affected?

Why did we push so hard to contain AIDS when it mostly affected those who were young and gay? It didn't affect us, so why bother?

Like it or not, we are all part of the problem and we must all be part of the solution. Most of us are. We welcome you to join us when you grow up.

[PWhipped]

My numbers are sound and I'm not ignorant of basic math.

You're triggered by facts and by your own age. You're what, 70 years old? Lets call it between 68-72. Puts you in a 90%+ risk group. If you have serious pre-existing conditions, you're in the 95-98% of all who've contracted China virus and suffered bad outcomes. Those under 60 and healthy don't need to cater to a risk group consisting of such a small percent of the whole

Do what you want, but if a man of your age continues to partake in this hobby, you're rolling the China Virus dice. And that's not just for the next few weeks or months, that's for years to come.

Hey, thanks to all for the info, The back and forth and all the OPINIONS are interesting and I guess even with the figures, its still guess work. Soo, in each and all's opinions, at the 85-90% group, if in excellent health, what is the % that one will not survive this world in the coming year and if or not continuing see a few ladies, what % chance of catching this fucking virus?? And what if wearing a mask and not going out anymore than necessary, helps keep from catching it?

Yes and I wish all wet dreams abound! PW.

[Aaron Hamlet]

Maybe you failed to notice that that I didn't attack your position, but merely observed that I thought it had little chance of ever evolving from where it is now. Is that not a fact?

My problem was, and is, with your ignorance of basic math. It doesn't matter what the calculator says if the data that you enter in to it is faulty. You simply cannot round off the population of Georgia to the nearest million or so and provide a statistic based on it with that level of accuracy. GIGO - Garbage In; Garbage Out.

My numbers are sound and I'm not ignorant of basic math.

You're triggered by facts and by your own age. You're what, 70 years old? Lets call it between 68-72. Puts you in a 90%+ risk group. If you have serious pre-existing conditions, you're in the 95-98% of all who've contracted China virus and suffered bad outcomes. Those under 60 and healthy don't need to cater to a risk group consisting of such a small percent of the whole

Do what you want, but if a man of your age continues to partake in this hobby, you're rolling the China Virus dice. And that's not just for the next few weeks or months, that's for years to come.

[AcWorthDude]

I agree with a lot of what you said except #5. AIDS is no longer an automatic death sentence. Magic Johnson, for example, got HIV around 1991 or 1992 and is still here, almost 30 years later. HIV / AIDS is under much better control now.

Ahhh. I knew someone would reference him.

You are right. But Not many have the money to spend that he has.

Still I stand by my point. Much more serious, is also a more serious issue for the dr and health care communityand general pop. I would rather catch c19 over aids.

[Niteluvr]

Is Covid-19 the most respected Virus? I see hoes on IG that do BBFS wearing face mask. Its so weird to me.

Viruses and other diseases are not respected; they're causes for concern, study and eventual treatment / cures. Your comment suggests fear. Some will fear anything beyond their normal realm and cause panic because they lack logic, common sense and fail to keep up with current events. Those with common sense, self-discipline and education will look at a serious issue calmly, study the fuck out of it, then find a way to mitigate it.

If hoes / hoars and other providers are now wearing face masks (not mask as you said), then it's a good thing. They're possibly preventing their oral spew from "Covid-19-ing" their customers. More likely, they're trying to protect themselves. Can't remember a single time in 40 years of sport fucking where a working girl considered my concerns / feelings ahead of hers.

Reasonable caution in any situation, especially now, is a positive thing. Now only if those "newly cautious" hoes sporting masks would spend more time sanitizing their business areas, for which we'd all be much happier. Nobody likes a rotting crotch.

[Bullett64]

Not a position nor is my mind open or closed. Facts. Hard data. Population of Ga is over 10 m w /90% of that being under age of 60. I didn't attempt to improve the facts by adding needless decimal places. My calculator did the figures, I copied. Not 44, but 14 Georgians under age of 60, listed as healthy have succumbed to China Virus. All facts. All data provided by Ga DHS. You're the bullshit flag. Upset that data doesn't support your level of fear. Stay inside or you'll die. That make you feel better?

Maybe you failed to notice that that I didn't attack your position, but merely observed that I thought it had little chance of ever evolving from where it is now. Is that not a fact?

My problem was, and is, with your ignorance of basic math. It doesn't matter what the calculator says if the data that you enter in to it is faulty. You simply cannot round off the population of Georgia to the nearest million or so and provide a statistic based on it with that level of accuracy. GIGO - Garbage In; Garbage Out.

[Niteluvr]

1. Re-read my post. As I said, I am staying safe at home.

2. It's not 99%. You made that # up.

3. The general population catching it are the ones going out not those staying home. So they made their choice.

4. I don't own an ar-15 or flak jacket.

5. When someone goes around banging hookers raw they spread disease, to or from the ones they are doing / who chose to participate in raw. (Kind of like going out in public now) but they will run to an already overcrowded medical system looking for help. Oh, and Aids is 100%death sentanceso much more risky.

6. They are really more of medical guesses or theories or hypothesis. Not facts. So much is still unknown.

Your whole rebuttal was stereotypes and or made up numbers.

We can't have tyranny because of your fear. If you are worried. Stay home. I am.

I agree with a lot of what you said except #5. AIDS is no longer an automatic death sentence. Magic Johnson, for example, got HIV around 1991 or 1992 and is still here, almost 30 years later. HIV / AIDS is under much better control now.