Rants and Raves

[Shinshi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4

This, so much this! Definitely sharing that bit of awesomeness, thanks!

[Old Chinese Guy]

I'm not some cold-hearted bastard who lacks empathy. I sympathize for some of these girls living day-to-day, barely scraping by. These are unique & trying times for all of us. Some folks are indeed better equipped to navigate these times better than others.

But what I cannot, shall not, and will not acknowledge is the logic that mongers can't help themselves. That they just *have* to see providers, AMPs, or SBs during this pandemic despite the risks being what they are. If anyone here genuinely feels they're incapable of rubbing one out, saving their money, and simply sitting out a few weeks from this hobby, then that person is a sex addict (and no, that's not a good thing). Granted, everyone has their own way of balancing risk-reward. But it really seems selfish & foolhardy to the extreme. Hell, there's folks over in the Media thread saying it's "party time" just because the district attorney, or someone in that office, recently said they'll decline to prosecute non-violent drug offenders, mongers, etc. I mean, seriously?

Also, it's one thing to pay the normal rate that a girl requests. That's completely the prerogative of the person accepting those services (and if you have an excellent time, tips are perfectly fine too)! But it's another thing entirely when someone somehow feels like they owe any of these women extra due to a sob story and then goes on to pay higher than the *normal* rates before the service even starts (despite the demand drying up and the economic downturn). Said person is not only fueling continued GPS. That person is also a fucking idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4

[Shinshi]

These are going be some really tough DESPERATE times for many of them in the coming weeks. And difficult times for many of your fellow mongers. So try a little sympathy and understanding of them being scared of the flu, even if they use drugs.

I'm not some cold-hearted bastard who lacks empathy. I sympathize for some of these girls living day-to-day, barely scraping by. These are unique & trying times for all of us. Some folks are indeed better equipped to navigate these times better than others.

But what I cannot, shall not, and will not acknowledge is the logic that mongers can't help themselves. That they just *have* to see providers, AMPs, or SBs during this pandemic despite the risks being what they are. If anyone here genuinely feels they're incapable of rubbing one out, saving their money, and simply sitting out a few weeks from this hobby, then that person is a sex addict (and no, that's not a good thing). Granted, everyone has their own way of balancing risk-reward. But it really seems selfish & foolhardy to the extreme. Hell, there's folks over in the Media thread saying it's "party time" just because the district attorney, or someone in that office, recently said they'll decline to prosecute non-violent drug offenders, mongers, etc. I mean, seriously?

Also, it's one thing to pay the normal rate that a girl requests. That's completely the prerogative of the person accepting those services (and if you have an excellent time, tips are perfectly fine too)! But it's another thing entirely when someone somehow feels like they owe any of these women extra due to a sob story and then goes on to pay higher than the *normal* rates before the service even starts (despite the demand drying up and the economic downturn). Said person is not only fueling continued GPS. That person is also a fucking idiot.

[BMax986]

Does anyone have friends that need help? It seems alot are actually scared of all this nd doing this "social distancing" mantra. Simply amazing. They abuse drugs for a life time but are scared of the flu.

Different people all have different risk tolerances. Almost everyone has some concern about CV19. Some may be social distancing, many are not. Providers and mongers alike. Barely notice a difference on EB.

These girls are in a scary place right now (were not exactly in a good place before). Some may be scared of the flu. They should be. If not of the very very small chance of dying, probably more about what do they do if they get sick, or mongers quit visiting by choice or because of (coming soon to the dmv) stay at home mandates. Most of these girls live day to day. Any day now they won't be able to pay for their crappy motel room, food, and yes their meds.

These are going be some really tough DESPERATE times for many of them in the coming weeks. And difficult times for many of your fellow mongers. So try a little sympathy and understanding of them being scared of the flu, even if they use drugs.

Pssst. I hear there are guys out there scared of this flu, even though they risk their marriages, jobs, health, and even lives by paying drug using hookers for sex. I'm shocked, shocked, but not amazed.

[VansVille2010]

Does anyone have friends that need help? It seems alot are actually scared of all this nd doing this "social distancing" mantra. Simply amazing. They abuse drugs for a life time but are scared of the flu.

[SyntorX]

Just wondering if AMPs are giving discount due to CV crisis.

Check out the article in the link below. I guess sex workers are hurting in Seattle for business. Prices are down and mongers are demanding thinks a lady normally does not perform, like BBFS. I wonder if the AMPs are seeing any reduction in business. If so, then it should eventually result in a reduction in prices.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/seatt...b60557280fbfce

[DeCoria]

Just wondering if AMPs are giving discount due to CV crisis.

[ITom1284]

LOL the thought did cross my mind. Beyond typical measures (hand washing, avoiding crowds), at the moment I'm still happy to contribute to the local scene.

At this point I'm waiting until testing ramps up so we get a better idea of how widespread it is. Had to cancel two appointments in the last week. Not happy about it, but I'm in wait and see.

[Happy One]

You'd think with everything coming to standstill and traveling situations. The price of p&why,. Would be at a discount. Me personally, I think it's the best bargaining chip. We're ever going to have, to negotiate! Or I'll wait til I see who's left standing. But right now. I got to get a offer worth not refusing. And she better be worth, what could be my very last breath.

I have met two escorts from motels at the airport that were walking Brooklyn. They told me with the guys making appointments then don't show up, they are struggling to come up with money for the hotel room let alone eating. They are doing 20/40 dates and I tipped five dollars for the service. You need to be able to play the game right because they look way to clean to be walking to be sure its not a sting set up.

Be Safe.

[Franchise2]

You'd think with everything coming to standstill and traveling situations. The price of p&why,. Would be at a discount. Me personally, I think it's the best bargaining chip. We're ever going to have, to negotiate! Or I'll wait til I see who's left standing. But right now. I got to get a offer worth not refusing. And she better be worth, what could be my very last breath.

[MavDog2]

So what does the new pandemic hold for mongers? Just curious what everyone thinks about the situation and the traveling ladies that come through the area.

It seems like the (former or occasional) SWs who post on EB and other sites might be more likely to give a monger a more typical kind of problem but the traveling ladies have the opportunity to meet people everywhere. That could be a different type of problem.

Will the local girls get more biz because of this? Will the traveling ladies lay low for weeks or months? Will biz slow down and supply tighten?

Will mongers. Wait. Mongers? Mongers have pressing needs and will keep on going. That much we know. It's just the rest of the hobby I am curious about.

LOL the thought did cross my mind. Beyond typical measures (hand washing, avoiding crowds), at the moment I'm still happy to contribute to the local scene.

[Ebdawgg]

So what does the new pandemic hold for mongers? Just curious what everyone thinks about the situation and the traveling ladies that come through the area.

It seems like the (former or occasional) SWs who post on EB and other sites might be more likely to give a monger a more typical kind of problem but the traveling ladies have the opportunity to meet people everywhere. That could be a different type of problem.

Will the local girls get more biz because of this? Will the traveling ladies lay low for weeks or months? Will biz slow down and supply tighten?

Will mongers. Wait. Mongers? Mongers have pressing needs and will keep on going. That much we know. It's just the rest of the hobby I am curious about.

[JimmyJams]

Checked the board and I see another SW has passed away. I also see all the RIP messages and memorializing posts and had to give my 2 cents.

It is tragic when any life is lost and I don't want to appear indifferent, but I can't help but roll my eyes at the bullshit. We trick these women out for cheap, sexual thrills knowing good and well it is addiction to drugs that motivates them and their willingness to sell themselves to strangers. We know our money is being used to feed these addictions and can lead to untimely demise, whether overdose or illness exacerbated by the drug use. We help feed the addiction, knowing it can kill them. Then come on these boards with a bunch of RIP, boo-hoo bullshit when the inevitable happens. I challenge my fellow mongers to please save the bullshit.

I have had family members on drugs. When they ask for $$, I say no because I know what they want it for and I care about them. I have a college buddy who developed a drinking problem later in life after graduation. When I catch up with him, I don't drink. Because I care about him. I have a friend who has a mild gambling problem, I don't friendly wager with him because it triggers him. And I care about him.

If you really gave a shit about these girls, you wouldn't help feed the addiction. Period. So all this RIP bullshit comes off as phony and for show. Yes, you may recognize they are good people over time while tricking them out, but if you really cared, you would put your desire for a cheap nut aside and stop contributing to their demise. But you don't do that. You selfishly keep tricking them out, then come with fake ass condolences once they are gone. Bubbles told me her story once and I never pickes her up again. Couldn't bring myself to do it. Layla with DSLs from Wilkins has head so good, I was damn near addicted to it. But she was good people and when she started talking about rehab, I told her the second to last time I saw her, "I hope I don't see you again. Take care of yourself". That's the behavior of someone who really cares. Not contributing to the shit then broadcasting fake condolences when the ride is over. Again, I challenge my fellow mongers to be honest with themselves. And save the bullshit. Really.

It is not unreasonable to have feelings of condolence when someone you know and have had acquaintances with possess away. We don't know the exact nature of each other's dealings with these broken women. Some of us stree broken in our own right. We choose these women for varying reasons. I do my best not to judge the women becsuse they are caught up in the disease of addiction. Yes we enable by partaking in their services but it's not all the same. Some buy them food, clothes, and other things no strings attached. Is one truly more entitled to offer condolences because they can make a claim of never have enabled?

Brothers we can and need to put things in perspective but not rag on each other over who should or shouldn't be offering condolences when someone passes.

I've known a few of these departed women and whether I participated in enabling behavior or not, I can have feelings about their demise. One is not necessarily disqualified from expressing feelings unless they were perfect humans themselves.

[PellyMason]

Checked the board and I see another SW has passed away. I also see all the RIP messages and memorializing posts and had to give my 2 cents.

It is tragic when any life is lost and I don't want to appear indifferent, but I can't help but roll my eyes at the bullshit. We trick these women out for cheap, sexual thrills knowing good and well it is addiction to drugs that motivates them and their willingness to sell themselves to strangers. We know our money is being used to feed these addictions and can lead to untimely demise, whether overdose or illness exacerbated by the drug use. We help feed the addiction, knowing it can kill them. Then come on these boards with a bunch of RIP, boo-hoo bullshit when the inevitable happens. I challenge my fellow mongers to please save the bullshit.

I have had family members on drugs. When they ask for $$, I say no because I know what they want it for and I care about them. I have a college buddy who developed a drinking problem later in life after graduation. When I catch up with him, I don't drink. Because I care about him. I have a friend who has a mild gambling problem, I don't friendly wager with him because it triggers him. And I care about him.

If you really gave a shit about these girls, you wouldn't help feed the addiction. Period. So all this RIP bullshit comes off as phony and for show. Yes, you may recognize they are good people over time while tricking them out, but if you really cared, you would put your desire for a cheap nut aside and stop contributing to their demise. But you don't do that. You selfishly keep tricking them out, then come with fake ass condolences once they are gone. Bubbles told me her story once and I never pickes her up again. Couldn't bring myself to do it. Layla with DSLs from Wilkins has head so good, I was damn near addicted to it. But she was good people and when she started talking about rehab, I told her the second to last time I saw her, "I hope I don't see you again. Take care of yourself". That's the behavior of someone who really cares. Not contributing to the shit then broadcasting fake condolences when the ride is over. Again, I challenge my fellow mongers to be honest with themselves. And save the bullshit. Really.

What you say is true. But what girl is in this game for anything but to feed a habit. Do you believe them when they say they aren't? I hope not. One could always refrain from saying anything, hence no hypocrisy. But that doesn't seem right either. I will continue to monger and not worry about what anyone does with the money they earn. I don't know what the waitress I tipped does with her money either. Or the cabbie. I don't feel responsible for what these people do with their money because I patronize them.

[WhiteRabbit88]

Checked the board and I see another SW has passed away. I also see all the RIP messages and memorializing posts and had to give my 2 cents.

It is tragic when any life is lost and I don't want to appear indifferent, but I can't help but roll my eyes at the bullshit. We trick these women out for cheap, sexual thrills knowing good and well it is addiction to drugs that motivates them and their willingness to sell themselves to strangers. We know our money is being used to feed these addictions and can lead to untimely demise, whether overdose or illness exacerbated by the drug use. We help feed the addiction, knowing it can kill them. Then come on these boards with a bunch of RIP, boo-hoo bullshit when the inevitable happens. I challenge my fellow mongers to please save the bullshit.

I have had family members on drugs. When they ask for $$, I say no because I know what they want it for and I care about them. I have a college buddy who developed a drinking problem later in life after graduation. When I catch up with him, I don't drink. Because I care about him. I have a friend who has a mild gambling problem, I don't friendly wager with him because it triggers him. And I care about him.

If you really gave a shit about these girls, you wouldn't help feed the addiction. Period. So all this RIP bullshit comes off as phony and for show. Yes, you may recognize they are good people over time while tricking them out, but if you really cared, you would put your desire for a cheap nut aside and stop contributing to their demise. But you don't do that. You selfishly keep tricking them out, then come with fake ass condolences once they are gone. Bubbles told me her story once and I never pickes her up again. Couldn't bring myself to do it. Layla with DSLs from Wilkins has head so good, I was damn near addicted to it. But she was good people and when she started talking about rehab, I told her the second to last time I saw her, "I hope I don't see you again. Take care of yourself". That's the behavior of someone who really cares. Not contributing to the shit then broadcasting fake condolences when the ride is over. Again, I challenge my fellow mongers to be honest with themselves. And save the bullshit. Really.

If I'm understanding the angle you're coming from, I'd say point well made.

For this reason, I'm also somewhat reserved when it comes to expressing personal emotions regarding the overall well being of these SWs, since ultimately as you pointed out, we all know by seeing them we're enabling them to do what they're going to do.

On the other hand, I can also rationalize why it makes sense to see folks posts condolences messages too. At the end of the day, we're all social creatures and whether we want to admit it or not, we can mentally get attached to these girls. It's not after they're gone that you realize you valued who they were. This goes with everything else in life.