Rants Raves and Stupid Shit in New Haven

[Admin2]

I'm unclear as to whether you are saying that there is no reason to panic

There is never any reason to panic, people will panic, that's a given but by it's very definition panic is an unreasonable state. Panic accomplishes nothing and for fucks sake never, ever listen to people who are panicking.

Limit your exposure to people for a couple weeks. Since there is no vaccine this thing has to get out in to the herd, actually it is out into the herd, can't stop it now. If we can slow it down for the next month then less people will die, it's really as simple as that. Flatten the curve and more grandmas get to celebrate the holidays this coming December. Most people who get it aren't going to die. Most likely more people will die from car wrecks than C-19. In Italy more people have died this year from regular flu than there are cases of C-19. In November 2019 there was a study published about Italy's higher than normal rate of influenza. Between 2014 and 2017 they had over 5 million cases of influenza that killed 69,000 people, that's 23,000 deaths a year. That's 4 times the number of people who have died world wide of C-19 and ten times the number of people who have died in Italy and nobody, literally nobody cared. There was no panic, there was no closures, nothing, nobody gave a shit.

Here, read it:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...01971219303285

I'm not minimizing C-19, it's a thing and we all need to make some sacrifices, we got to stay home and stop being dicks about hording shit but stop being lemmings, this isn't 12 monkeys we aren't going to be living underground. In a couple weeks if the fucking news stops sensationalizing the "spiraling death count" that is a result of the "pandemic that is spreading like wildfire" then it's over.

[Arkot1337]

What about those that have it but are not showing symptoms.

What about the perfectly healthy 40 year old that is now in a coma and may never recover.

All I know is I am doing whatever I can to minimize my exposure.

Flu has killed plenty of heavy people as well.

Being healthy doesn't make you immune to complications. And just as many asymptotic flu cases as well.

C-19 got its roots into the entire world. It is NOT going to go away.

Most of us will be getting it at some point. Weather it's this year, or 5 years from now. We are well past the point of no return from it being a community disease.

Yes you should help prevent the spread of it in current time and follow directions.

But don't do so under the false belief that this is going to come and go.

Isolation will slow it down only for as long as isolations last. But it isn't a permanent or even long term solution.

Eventually it will be slowed down to the general public building up the immunity levels and the bug has less people to quickly pass through.

[Craven Morehed]

Clogging the Er with a hide line of people back to back, who don't even yet have symptoms and can't be tested yet. That's going to cause faster spread.

What about those that have it but are not showing symptoms.

What about the perfectly healthy 40 year old that is now in a coma and may never recover.

All I know is I am doing whatever I can to minimize my exposure.

[Old Chinese Guy]

If you actually read what I wrote. It's right there.

" The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking".

Summary,

Is it severely overhyped and causing panic. Yes.

Do we all need to use standard precautions. Yes.

Does EVERYONE need to be wearing a face mask that's not properly designed for preventing incoming droplet particles. No.

Standard hand washing. Not touching your face. And having people with respiratory sx wear the masks. Is really all you need.

Clogging the Er with a hide line of people back to back, who don't even yet have symptoms and can't be tested yet. That's going to cause faster spread.

Are we pooping more? No.

Do we need to deplete supermarkets of all toilet paper? No.

Do we need stock up 3 months of food and drinks? No.

Do we just need to stay calm and stick to our regular shopping patterns? Yes.

[Arkot1337]

I'm unclear as to whether you are saying that there is no reason to panic (because the risk to any individual is relatively low) or you are saying that the precautions being taken are unwarranted.

If the first, then you are clearly correct. If you take reasonable precautions, then any individual is at low risk.

However, that is not the reason for the precautions. The reason is to slow down the spread so that there is not a huge, fast spike in demand for the services of medical personnel like you and for respirators.

As someone over 65, that seems like a worthwhile disaster to avoid.

But even if you are younger, there must be some older folks you care about.

If you actually read what I wrote. It's right there.

" The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking".

Summary,

Is it severely overhyped and causing panic. Yes.

Do we all need to use standard precautions. Yes.

Does EVERYONE need to be wearing a face mask that's not properly designed for preventing incoming droplet particles. No.

Standard hand washing. Not touching your face. And having people with respiratory sx wear the masks. Is really all you need.

Clogging the Er with a hide line of people back to back, who don't even yet have symptoms and can't be tested yet. That's going to cause faster spread.

[Mr Mike1952]

I work in medical buddy.

I'm unclear as to whether you are saying that there is no reason to panic (because the risk to any individual is relatively low) or you are saying that the precautions being taken are unwarranted.

If the first, then you are clearly correct. If you take reasonable precautions, then any individual is at low risk.

However, that is not the reason for the precautions. The reason is to slow down the spread so that there is not a huge, fast spike in demand for the services of medical personnel like you and for respirators.

As someone over 65, that seems like a worthwhile disaster to avoid.

But even if you are younger, there must be some older folks you care about.

[MadPlaid]

What makes you think the government is disclosing everything they know about Covid 19 ? Seems by the way it spreads that it's much more contagious than what we are being told. Keep in mind politicians both local and federal are a bunch of lying bastards.

Take a look over in Italy, it's a mess, we'll never know exactly how bad it is in China.

Italy is a much different animal than the US. You're talking a much lower quality than f healthcare, raging migrant influx, extremely large population of elderly people and Italy literally just completed a massive trade deal with China so their travel and imports were exploding. We cut off Chinese trade much faster. I'm thinking as the weather gets warmer this will die off like the flu and we will have a vaccine for the next cv19 season.

I'm not putting myself in a panic, I'll shower after shitting if I need to. God damn no toilet paper, people are rediculous.

[Old Chinese Guy]

No. The C-19 is being blown severely out of proportion.

It is not much different than the usual flu. Is spreads exactly the same way. Through droplet contact. And it's death rate numbers are barely any higher. Which is due to the fact that it affects the elderly more than children. Whereas with flu a massive chunk of its infected numbers are children who bounce back. Keeping it's death rate lower.

But in turns of adults to contract either sickness. The death rate is almost identical.

No matter what we do, or what we could have done from the start the end result was always going to be the same. C-19 will be a community spread sickness with yearly patterns like the flu. We may even end up getting yearly C-19 vaccines just like we get the flu shots. And freaking out about it now, or earlier, isn't going to stop it from happening. The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking.

The only reason people are freaking out is because this is a completely new bug. And because of that, they was literally see how it's spreading quickly beyond what humans can control.

Whereas flu is an old bed fellow and we done care enough to track it in such a way. We just prepare for the months we knows it's coming.

I totally agree with everything you said, based on the location and timed occurrence of the epicenters, this bug has been around undetected far longer than we know and more of us have it or have had it already. Flu causes 65,000 deaths world-wide annually and we do not panic about it. Everything about C-19 is overblown and everyone just needs to stay calm, take a few simple precautions like wash hands frequently, stop touch one's face and stop wearing those masks as they do nothing except stop one from touching one's face (viral particles are many magnitude smaller than the pores on those masks). Stop creating a shortage for medical personnel who actually do know how to use them properly and need them more than us common folk for many more reasons than we do. Also everyone should stop panic buying of food and supplies at supermarkets, our population distributions have not changed significantly and our supply chain set-ups are more than adequate to make sure we all get enough of everything, as long as everyone does not run out and stock up on stuff unnecessarily.

[Arkot1337]

OK, you just keep thinking that way, Don't let the sand get in your eyes.

I work in medical buddy.

[Lgkok]

No. The C-19 is being blown severely out of proportion.

It is not much different than the usual flu. Is spreads exactly the same way. Through droplet contact. And it's death rate numbers are barely any higher. Which is due to the fact that it affects the elderly more than children. Whereas with flu a massive chunk of its infected numbers are children who bounce back. Keeping it's death rate lower.

But in turns of adults to contract either sickness. The death rate is almost identical.

No matter what we do, or what we could have done from the start the end result was always going to be the same. C-19 will be a community spread sickness with yearly patterns like the flu. We may even end up getting yearly C-19 vaccines just like we get the flu shots. And freaking out about it now, or earlier, isn't going to stop it from happening. The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking.

The only reason people are freaking out is because this is a completely new bug. And because of that, they was literally see how it's spreading quickly beyond what humans can control.

Whereas flu is an old bed fellow and we done care enough to track it in such a way. We just prepare for the months we knows it's coming.

OK, you just keep thinking that way, Don't let the sand get in your eyes.

[Arkot1337]

Let me rephrase, the US just started taking this seriously the past week, it was downplayed by Trump as the next democratic hoax, local government wasn't saying much either, and we were told there were millions of test kit available, but that was a lie, I have to say I'm very disappointed in government both fed and state, the way the whole thing was mishandled, we sort of ignored everything happening in the state of Washington but when a New Rochelle lawyer infects half the town and another cruise ship is stopped from docking in California everyone started paying attention, the things we put in place the last few days should have been done weeks ago.

No. The C-19 is being blown severely out of proportion.

It is not much different than the usual flu. Is spreads exactly the same way. Through droplet contact. And it's death rate numbers are barely any higher. Which is due to the fact that it affects the elderly more than children. Whereas with flu a massive chunk of its infected numbers are children who bounce back. Keeping it's death rate lower.

But in turns of adults to contract either sickness. The death rate is almost identical.

No matter what we do, or what we could have done from the start the end result was always going to be the same. C-19 will be a community spread sickness with yearly patterns like the flu. We may even end up getting yearly C-19 vaccines just like we get the flu shots. And freaking out about it now, or earlier, isn't going to stop it from happening. The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking.

The only reason people are freaking out is because this is a completely new bug. And because of that, they was literally see how it's spreading quickly beyond what humans can control.

Whereas flu is an old bed fellow and we done care enough to track it in such a way. We just prepare for the months we knows it's coming.

[Lgkok]

You have a choice of mass hysteria or not enough info. You play those cards and hope for a decent outcome. This "virus" is not as dangerous as 95% of the people are acting. I personally think the way it was played low originally was fine otherwise people would have been fighting each other for wipes sooner. When you look at stats its mortality is much less than Mers and Sars and its lethality to anyone under 65 is pretty much compared to the cold.

IMO it would have been safer and better to quarantine the very suseptible than what's going on now. People keep screaming about test kits, why? So every two days the same people can keep screaming they need another test kit. People need to calm down over all this, it's kind of rediculous. I get trying to stay safe but idiots are literally clearing stores and fighting over toilet paper. Instead of the virus now old people are just going to be keeling over from lack of sanitary supplies and food. There were / are much better ways to be handling this.

The one positive outcome I look for is now hopefully people will wake up to our trade and manufacturing imbalance with China. Store shelves are empty because importing is shut down. Maybe we'll get some factories and manufacturing back here in the states to avoid this same scenerio in the future.

What makes you think the government is disclosing everything they know about Covid 19 ? Seems by the way it spreads that it's much more contagious than what we are being told. Keep in mind politicians both local and federal are a bunch of lying bastards.

Take a look over in Italy, it's a mess, we'll never know exactly how bad it is in China.

[MadPlaid]

Let me rephrase, the US just started taking this seriously the past week, it was downplayed by Trump as the next democratic hoax, local government wasn't saying much either, and we were told there were millions of test kit available, but that was a lie, I have to say I'm very disappointed in government both fed and state, the way the whole thing was mishandled, we sort of ignored everything happening in the state of Washington but when a New Rochelle lawyer infects half the town and another cruise ship is stopped from docking in California everyone started paying attention, the things we put in place the last few days should have been done weeks ago.

You have a choice of mass hysteria or not enough info. You play those cards and hope for a decent outcome. This "virus" is not as dangerous as 95% of the people are acting. I personally think the way it was played low originally was fine otherwise people would have been fighting each other for wipes sooner. When you look at stats its mortality is much less than Mers and Sars and its lethality to anyone under 65 is pretty much compared to the cold.

IMO it would have been safer and better to quarantine the very suseptible than what's going on now. People keep screaming about test kits, why? So every two days the same people can keep screaming they need another test kit. People need to calm down over all this, it's kind of rediculous. I get trying to stay safe but idiots are literally clearing stores and fighting over toilet paper. Instead of the virus now old people are just going to be keeling over from lack of sanitary supplies and food. There were / are much better ways to be handling this.

The one positive outcome I look for is now hopefully people will wake up to our trade and manufacturing imbalance with China. Store shelves are empty because importing is shut down. Maybe we'll get some factories and manufacturing back here in the states to avoid this same scenerio in the future.

[Lgkok]

Not taking it seriously?

My medical office is swarmed with nonstop calls about this thing. Constant people walking in thinking they got exposed, and basically every facility and school shutting down.

Let me rephrase, the US just started taking this seriously the past week, it was downplayed by Trump as the next democratic hoax, local government wasn't saying much either, and we were told there were millions of test kit available, but that was a lie, I have to say I'm very disappointed in government both fed and state, the way the whole thing was mishandled, we sort of ignored everything happening in the state of Washington but when a New Rochelle lawyer infects half the town and another cruise ship is stopped from docking in California everyone started paying attention, the things we put in place the last few days should have been done weeks ago.

[Arkot1337]

Not taking it seriously?

My medical office is swarmed with nonstop calls about this thing. Constant people walking in thinking they got exposed, and basically every facility and school shutting down.

And, South Korea handled the outbreak pretty well, in fact better than the US did. All I was saying is you probably have a better chance at catching corona virus than having the cops walk through the front door.

It's definitely going to spread here in the US simply because people still aren't taking it seriously yet.

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Nyaw is officially closed
Just got word from the MMS, NYAW will be closed, with April 1st being their tentative reopen date depending on how bad Corona gets.

It's probably for the best honestly. I've honestly put this life on hold Until Corona gets situated. Kinda sucks cause I wanted to see Bynes but I get it.

Stay safe guys.