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[Shinshi]

The Good, the Bad, and the Pathetic- My First 2 months on Seeking.

Really sorry to hear, man. And I hear ya, that site can be shitty and a lot of work & effort. My profile was created in January and I figured for the longest time that I must be doing something wrong to have had such a godawful track record. However, I've met up with 3 almost back-to-back recently. Only one of them (Superr Novaa) was an okay-time. The other two have been great times so far (seeing the 18 yo later this week), but I'm not entirely ready to share quite yet.

Essentially, sugaring is a whole lot of trial-and-error. Seeking seems inundated with a plethora of scammers these days, and it takes practice to figure that out after a few messages or based on a profile description. Then you got to be careful of the ones carefully hiding their full body shot in pictures only to discover a Moby Dick over coffee (also applies to the ones claiming to be 18 *shudders*) ! Your experience that you've discovered over time is valuable and I'm grateful for you sharing. Couldn't have put it better that we ALL need to abstain from any sortt of PBM and to save the lunch / dinner dates for after the deed or after a couple dates in.

Presently, I'm pretty content with the two I've got; however, I'll still likely allow my subscription to Seeking expire in April. Once you find a good one (or two) and have shared numbers after establishing a certain amount of trust, you're better off cutting that account loose. But that's just my two cents. I wish you much better luck in the future and that you find what you're looking for! Cheers!

[LilWyn]

Start sending nudes right after exchange digits. Meeting her tomorrow. My guess is she's pro. Any Intel, guys?

https://www.seeking.com/member/9e1ec...0-1b4818c40be7

[EasyeOne]

Profile still up. She's 17 and will tell you after a few messages. Reported the profile.

https://www.seeking.com/member/af54f...b-5d6e4e24903d

[Blauper2]

I've hesitated posting on this, because, honestly, I clearly suck at dating, scoring, or whatever the term is. So, let me stop you up front- you don't need to tell me that I'm a moron, and a bit pathetic. When it comes to this stuff, I freely admit that I am, and I think that I've finally learned my lesson. If, however, you have constructive criticism, that can help me achieve my goal, I'm open to suggestions.

First, my limitations make success in Sugaring even more difficult. I'm married (my wife has zero interest in sex. None in over 10 years, and I was celibate for most of that time). I'm older-- in my 60's. While we have money, being married makes it difficult for me to access large amounts, so I've been limited to offering a fairly modest allowance. Additionally, in Sugaring, I'm hoping for more than just sex, but a real connection, with some potential for an emotional connection. Also, with the limits of my marriage, I'm mostly available to meet at night, around midnight. Lastly, I live a good ways south of Gainesville, so most Babies are at least an hours drive. So, going into SA with those significant hurdles, I joined SA in January, and binged on there for nearly 6 weeks straight. I must have texted 300 different Potentials. It was nearly impossible to keep up with all the texts. For many, I was able to move off SA and onto text.

I'll start with the Good- I had dates with 6 different women that resulted in doing the deed.

The first, met, went to a motel, and yada yada. She wasn't particularly clean, and after started smoking something, that looked way too much like crack, so that ended that. That left me with a UTI, and regret. (Covered for most, but not for oral).

The second, I'd hit it off online and we seemed to click. After some difficulty finding a night, we met and went back to her place. To call her room a sty would be an insult to pigs. She had hip problems so she was limited in her abilities. Once finished, she immediately rolled over, got her phone and began looking for her next. Again, left with mostly regret. I really want to find someone I don't want to run away from after sex.

The Third, a bit closer, cuter, and the $ was reasonable. Drove to her home, she invited me in and went right to it. Surprised me, because I'm used to at least taking them to get something to eat. She was pretty good at it. The room was a mess, but overall, other than being a smoker, it would have been an ongoing UTR for me. Second time, I took her to eat, (would have been nice if she or the others would attempt to dressed nicely), went back, did the deed. Still good. Third visit, she had said that the $ would be less, since I was regular. Halfway there, she calls and says she wants full $. I remind her and tell her what we agreed to. She asks "Can you give me a ride to pick up my sister's paycheck. 5 minute ride" Never mind it's after midnight, but I say OK (duh). The ride ends up being more like an hour. I take her to a place where she's supposed to meet her sister's boss. She asks for the $ upfront, and goes to see this guy. I drive her home. She says she has to get her room ready before I come in. She never comes out. And I realize that I probably took her to buy drugs. Out the $ for the night and goodbye.

The Fourth, this was the closest to an actual arrangement. Seemingly nice woman. We met 3 times, at a hotel. Based on our conversation, I knew that there wouldn't be immediate intimacy. After first, she said "next time". Next visit, she says "still not ready. Next time". Third visit, we do the deed, but my noodle isn't quite al dente (have since gotten some meds to avoid that). My go to is oral, because I'm told I'm good at it, but she says "next time". 2 months allowance, 3 hotel bills, and then she ghosts me.

The Fifth, this is the one that was good, but also most disappointing. We clicked online, and agreed to meet in our cars, near her place at midnight. I sat in her car and we talked for 30 minutes and I REALLY liked her. Sweet, kind, funny. Then she asks if I want to get in the back seat of my car. Hell yes. I figure we're just going to make out, but she jumps on my lap and starts grinding. We're in a public parking lot, so I'm a bit nervous, but damn. She's going to town on me, and lets me eat her, and she seems genuinely going crazy with it. We do the deed. She doesn't seem to want much $ but I give her some, and we say night and let's do it again. She ghosts me, for almost 2 weeks. Then I contact her again on SA and we meet again. Just like before, only better. Back of my car, with a memory foam mattress. But I have the same damn problem. No noodle (being parked on a public street might be a turn on for her, but it just makes me nervous). Still, we both get there. And we talk about going to a hotel the next time. I'm crazy about her. She doesn't seem to want much $. Perfect. But she ghosts me again. No response to texts in 4 weeks. The sex was great, but I was hoping for something ongoing. (I let my SA account lapse this month. If I restore this month, maybe she'll respond if I contact her there.).

The Sixth- clicked with this woman, closer to my age, on SA. Really cute and we seemed to hit it off online. Problem is that she lives 4 hours away. No way I can sneak away from my wife for a 4 hour drive. I find a way to visit family near there. I sneak away from my wife for the afternoon, and we go to a hotel. She is a great kisser, and the sex was great. If I can believe her, she tells me she came 3 times. We talk every other day, and if she can get her ex to take her kids for a night, we can meet halfway sometime, but it won't be a regular.

The Bad and the Pathetic- Almost everything else.

First, it doesn't matter how much you like them, how honest they seem, how sweet, innocent, or angelic they are- Don't Ever Send Money Before You Meet Them! The Pathetic is that, even knowing this, I did it, probably 5 times. It is Always! 100% a scam. They take the money, and that's the end of it. They will say "I'll see you this Saturday, but my rent is due today, can you help. My tires are bad, can you help". They may ask for money for transportation to meet you, or money to get their nails done to "be pretty" when they meet you. It's Always! A lie. Just say no. It's probably best, at that point, to just say goodbye and block, but definitely say no.

Second, "Rinsers"- damn. They keep conning me. They don't ask for money before you meet. They seem sweet, and interested in a relationship of some sort. They'll go to the first Meet and Greet. I'm a sucker, and buy their "girl next door" act every time. The general rule is that there is no money during a Meet and Greet. It's where you discuss an arrangement. Still, for me, since it's usually a late night, I'll bring a PPM (pay per meet), even though there's no expectation of sex. Sometimes, you'll get a second date.

My first, in person, rinser, was my dream girl. We talked arrangement, and agreed, so I gave her almost the full monthly allowance at the M&G. She just kept sending requests for more an more money, and could never find a time to meet. She ghosted me for 3 weeks, then came back saying that she was having problems but things were better, and she couldn't stop thinking about me. Gullible Gus goes to see her again, gives her more money. Then she sends a note saying what a great guy I am, but she can't date a married man, and she's still in love with some guy. A married guy's money was not against her ethics however.

My second, I've had two dates with. The last, I asked if I could kiss her goodbye, and she turned her head at the last second, so I got cheek. I haven't given her a lot of money, but enough. Since last week, no response. She may get back to me, but I'm skeptical.

The scary- I had one late night meet where I was essentially robbed and put in danger. Won't go into details. Nothing happened, other than losing some money.

I've left out 2 dozen different bad or insulting exchanges, some costing money and some just dignity.

My take away from all of this- to be a sugar daddy, maybe you have to be a heartless jerk, at least until the Sugar Baby shows that she isn't. Some use the adage "No honey. No Money", and maybe that's what is necessary. It's a shame though. I am looking for sex, but I'm also looking for a connection with another human being, a friendship, and a possible romance. Obviously, escorts will only provide the first, but I'm still hoping for more. They constantly say that Sugaring is not prostitution, but it seems that what isn't prostitution is mostly theft. The idea of sugaring being dating, and developing a relationship, with the addition of financial help seems to be mostly smoke and mirrors.

[Low Jack]

https://www.seeking.com/member/65e99...b-20c3ee88f5a6

No show.

[Dimples572]

She's gorgeous but, given her written comments (assuming they are true), she's a better candidate for "It's Just Lunch".

I guess YMMV with each of these women but I wouldn't necessarily agree with your statement. When I was chatting with her we talked a lot about sex and what each of us was into, what we were looking for in the arrangement. I just never pulled the trigger because I couldn't get her lower than $500 for the ppm.

[Max #01]

I've been messaging with this one on kik but haven't been able to get her below $750. Anyone else have any experience with her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/034a4...6-178783cf1b3b

She's gorgeous but, given her written comments (assuming they are true), she's a better candidate for "It's Just Lunch".

[Shinshi]

Hey all so I just made a seeking account, about to go premium to message some of these girls. Do you all have pictures in your profile? I have no problem giving out pics to them later on but was skeptical.

About putting my pics on the site. Will most girls not respond without a pic from you? Or is the sd's privacy respected?

Personally, I blur out my face using Microsoft Paint on my photos. No girl's ever given me grief about it, though admittedly my luck of actually meeting most since creating the account in January has been kinda bad (with the exception of 3 SBs). Some other tips:

I highly recommend that once you get a good vibe or read on the one that you're messaging, move that conversation to text. That's where you ought to discuss the particulars. You don't want to accidentally piss one of them off and have her report you for solicitation & whatnot, resulting in your profile being taken down and no refund. The best line for me that seems to generate serious responses is asking what their limitations or boundaries are. If they say they're not interested in any intimacy, or prefer online-only (which is against the site rules), or they outright say strictly platonic, then you'll know you're wasting your time.

Don't ever give your real name, your main email, primary phone number, job info, etc. Kind of a no-brainer, but it needs saying sometimes. Also if using Venmo, Pay Pal, Zelle, CashApp, or any other similar monetary accounts, ensure that your real name doesn't pop up or is publicly viewable when sending the money. The few SBs that I've seen have been fine with cash, but some prefer this route. Which leads to my next point.

Please please please don't engage in any form of PBM (pay-before-meet). That's begging to be scammed. Trust me, I'd know! And try to minimize lunch or dinner meets unless it's after the deed or if you're positive you'll go back to your place / hotel / car / whatever afterwards. As others have said here before, can't go wrong with coffee dates if a public setting is what they'd prefer for that initial meet. And if you're not 100% certain about a woman being real or worried it'll be a scam, you can insist on coffee first.

Finally, one trick I've started doing is asking them to pick a coffee shop or deli that's closest to their place so that way it's more convenient for them. Then I do my research to see if there's any good hotels, restaurants, etc nearby. That way I can book a hotel if the girl & I hit it off, or just grab some great food, shop, run errands, etc that wouldn't normally be near my place. Either way, my time will not have been wasted if the "date" is a no-show or goes sideways.

Anyway, that's about all the major stuff I can think of. Best of luck and cheers!

[Dimples572]

Hey all so I just made a seeking account, about to go premium to message some of these girls. Do you all have pictures in your profile? I have no problem giving out pics to them later on but was skeptical.

About putting my pics on the site. Will most girls not respond without a pic from you? Or is the sd's privacy respected?

I've got a handful of pics in my profile but they all have my face blurred. I put in my profile description that due to my job I need to use discretion but I'm happy to text unblurred pics offline. Gives you an excuse to move the conversation to text which is where you want to get it to anyway. Never discuss money or sex in the chat. Only in text or better yet face to face.

[GuideMaster67]

Hey all so I just made a seeking account, about to go premium to message some of these girls. Do you all have pictures in your profile? I have no problem giving out pics to them later on but was skeptical.

About putting my pics on the site. Will most girls not respond without a pic from you? Or is the sd's privacy respected?

[BobDingle10]

I stopped seeing her awhile ago so I figured I would share her with you all. She is a pro and escorts as well but she is the real deal in terms of being young and pretty. She has a really nice place in Rosslyn and can host which is a huge plus. Her apartment is super high end. She will try and charge 500 per meet but if you get regular with her she may lower it a bit if she likes you. She gives probably the best BBBJ I ever had. She will insist on covers but again if you get regular she may let you slide. She is very much against having kids so you can CIP with no fears. She is a little stuck up but pretty and skilled.

Anyone else have any experience with her? Just curious.

https://www.seeking.com/member/02cd2...0-bc658260d0c5

A buddy referred me to her. Said she was a good time and super cool. Also stated how nice her place was and that she was a low key pro. Sorta only took the referral after asking me a few questions. I could have seen her but the ask was 300 for the hh. Didn't seem worth that much for so short a time, even if she isn't a clock watcher. I never pulled the trigger. My buddy did say she was really good in bed though. If she was curvier and maybe a little bit more reasonable on the time or allowance I would have probably taken the plunge.

[BookerTNelson]

I stopped seeing her awhile ago so I figured I would share her with you all. She is a pro and escorts as well but she is the real deal in terms of being young and pretty. She has a really nice place in Rosslyn and can host which is a huge plus. Her apartment is super high end. She will try and charge 500 per meet but if you get regular with her she may lower it a bit if she likes you. She gives probably the best BBBJ I ever had. She will insist on covers but again if you get regular she may let you slide. She is very much against having kids so you can CIP with no fears. She is a little stuck up but pretty and skilled.

Anyone else have any experience with her? Just curious.

https://www.seeking.com/member/02cd2...0-bc658260d0c5

I remember seeing her posted sometime last summer (or spring? I met once but didn't return visit.

[Tophat31]

I stopped seeing her awhile ago so I figured I would share her with you all. She is a pro and escorts as well but she is the real deal in terms of being young and pretty. She has a really nice place in Rosslyn and can host which is a huge plus. Her apartment is super high end. She will try and charge 500 per meet but if you get regular with her she may lower it a bit if she likes you. She gives probably the best BBBJ I ever had. She will insist on covers but again if you get regular she may let you slide. She is very much against having kids so you can CIP with no fears. She is a little stuck up but pretty and skilled.

Anyone else have any experience with her? Just curious.

https://www.seeking.com/member/02cd2...0-bc658260d0c5

[BackdoorfFan123]

Met with CaroEmerald last night for a drink, good looking body and cute enough face. Talked a big game on what she's into but then GPS reared it's head and she claimed to have had a one year arrangement with her 63 year old SD that gave her 700 per week, paid for her apartment, and only met up once a week. Maybe one you guys might have better luck, she came from Columbia around 4 years ago so there was a bit of a language barrier.

[Dimples572]

I've been messaging with this one on kik but haven't been able to get her below $750. Anyone else have any experience with her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/034a4...6-178783cf1b3b

When I was chatting with her I mentioned that I preferred ppm vs allowance. So she mentioned that her previous ppm was 500. I told her that was out of my budget and that if that's what she's looking for then we wouldn't be a match and we then wished each other best of luck. Just got the vibe there was no point in negotiating. So if 500 ppm is more palpable for you it sounds like that's a possibility. But IMO she's not "500 ppm hot". Idk if any of these women in the DC area are that level of hot tbh.