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  1. #5509

    This sounds like a shit-ton of work

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeLooking  [View Original Post]
    So when you see a late teens to early 20's chick on instagram who seems to be able to hit the gym instead of working a 9-5 but isn't in school, how do you think she affords it? The reality is that pretty girls on instagram who have direct messages enabled, receive plenty of them from guys. Guys offer everything from wanting to buy their underwear to wanting to fly them on trips. There was an article around the time backpage was shut down that really made me wonder why instagram wasn't treated the same way. While most chicks didn't outright advertise as prostitutes, the article interviwed several who made their money that way. Including one who had made enough to buy two houses and retire at 30. Turns out it was also a gateway to work at some of the expensive global escort agencies (think of who rich Saudis pay for their harem of women) as well as trafficking (the chick who gets 1 k upfront to fly to Dubai for a week and is promised 10 k at the end but then disappears).

    The one person I know who does it did the following:

    1. Make a fake facebook account and tie it to his burner (no pictures of him but vague lifestyle photos like of cool travel destinations).

    2. Make an instagram account with that facebook account.

    3. Add a few travel photos.

    4. Find younger local girls he thought were cute and send a dm.

    He told me that at first he tried following them and commenting on their posts but it was too much work and apparently some had private accounts. In the DM he says he tells the girl she's cute and that with his job he travels a lot and doesn't have time for dating. He then says he'll be in Raleigh or whatever city that week and asks if she wants to meet up for dinner to to buy her something nice. His success rate wasn't too high but it said the quality was better than skip the games. Apparently when it works they fall into two categories 1) the somewhat innocent chick who knows sex is expected after dinner or that shopping trip 2) the ones who know the score and just ask for a dollar amount up front. Of the ones in category 2 he said he will usually pay around 200 but they stay for a couple of hours. He said the girls who responded were very similar to seeking arrangements before the hookers got on there and started advertsing hourly rates and ridiculous allowances.

    Again, this is not something I've tried because as he said, unless you're paying a lot or have really invested in getting your profile right your success rate will be low. Instagram for the most part is just a way for people to get social validation and attract orbiters. FWIW I know a young 20's chick who loves to put photos on instagram of her fake fat ass and huge tits in swimsuits. When she has dms turns on she gets everything from hood dudes saying dumb shit to guys saying they want to take her on trips. She told her mom that she's even had guys outright offer money for sex.

    I have spoken to a couple of non-P4P guys who use instagram to find women, especially when they're traveling. They claimed their success rate was okay but both had actually invested in having someone improve their instagram profile and getting fake followers. We live in a world where women get tons of attention and validation. Sometimes even as a good guy you have to do something to stand above the crowd, especially if there's more than just money involved.
    I thought the purpose behind paying for pussy was like smashing the Easy Button. I'd rather just call Renea or (now that she has her shit together) Amber.

  2. #5508

    Price vs performance

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeLooking  [View Original Post]
    It depends on the chick and what you're asking for. Considering that a blow job is going to last between 10 and 20 minutes for most guys, a chick could do one an hour for 7 hours a day 5 days a week and be making more than the average person in wake and durham county. If a chick has an apartment in a decent location and can prove she gets tested on the regular then I'd bump that up to 50 for the blow job. I think 120/ hr is at the sweet spot of sex with 150-200 being about where I'd expect it to be if p4 p was legal. At that rate doing 3 customers a day and paying a house fee still puts the chick above the average wage for most of the country. If it's regulated like many countries, you as the John would pay the additional house fee.

    The truth is most of these chicks who give bad service do so because they don't want to be there and don't care about you wanting to be there. Given the nature of this business some have also spent an extensive period being treated like shit. It's fair to say that some of these chicks face worse PTSD than some soldiers. Drugs and whatnot also doesn't help to improve the performance. The reality is that with some of these providers paying 30 or 300 won't change their performance although it may put you ahead of some other guy in the line.

    The risk is there regardless. I've met $400/ hr chicks who have caught stds, who take as many customers a day as they can get and don't clean between customers. I've also had flakes trying to get with eros chicks and agencies can be just as bad as pimps.

    In my years of experience doing this one thing I've learned is that the price you pay for pussy here in the US rarely actually correlates to actual value for money (depending on what you value). IMO there was a time when the average chick at 250/ hr was light years ahead of the average chick at 120/ hr but that ship sailed long ago. Even on eros where you find chicks advertising for 500/ hr with a 1 hr minimum guys still have terrible experiences.

    Regarding good looking providers, the secret is that backpage is gone and instragram is where most of the cute younger chicks find johns these days.
    Agree that price is no indicator of performance. Lots of high priced ones think their poop doesn't stink, and all of then think thy have the best, BJ and p* in the world. All of the girls are different, just as all guys are different. I search for value in being real with girls, deals and specials. A lot can be learned in texts. To me a good indicator is a sense of humor. If someone is rude right off the bat it turns me off. If someone likes seeing you because you are not judgemental, treat them well and make them cum, the price will come down because they want to see you. They will contact you because of the way you make them feel. I've been offered to come back as their treat many times, or a vastly reduced rate. Imagine having sex several times a day and no one takes any interest in making you cum.

  3. #5507
    Quote Originally Posted by NightTraveler  [View Original Post]
    I SW is katt? I think.
    That's definitely Katt!

  4. #5506
    Quote Originally Posted by Pubb69  [View Original Post]
    As far as I know you have to know them first, nothing really to search under.
    Search by hashtag or location. For example, you can search for the Raleigh or Durham hashtags to find local chicks. Or check the page for a popular nightclub and look through the associated photos (not the ones that the club posts but ones people post when they're at the club). Taking that route you can get to the page for a lot of chicks. I've actually found a couple of ex-stripper's pages this way because I know what clubs they've gone to.

  5. #5505
    Quote Originally Posted by ToySoldier  [View Original Post]
    Can you explain how you find girls on Instagram, please?
    So when you see a late teens to early 20's chick on instagram who seems to be able to hit the gym instead of working a 9-5 but isn't in school, how do you think she affords it? The reality is that pretty girls on instagram who have direct messages enabled, receive plenty of them from guys. Guys offer everything from wanting to buy their underwear to wanting to fly them on trips. There was an article around the time backpage was shut down that really made me wonder why instagram wasn't treated the same way. While most chicks didn't outright advertise as prostitutes, the article interviwed several who made their money that way. Including one who had made enough to buy two houses and retire at 30. Turns out it was also a gateway to work at some of the expensive global escort agencies (think of who rich Saudis pay for their harem of women) as well as trafficking (the chick who gets 1 k upfront to fly to Dubai for a week and is promised 10 k at the end but then disappears).

    The one person I know who does it did the following:

    1. Make a fake facebook account and tie it to his burner (no pictures of him but vague lifestyle photos like of cool travel destinations).

    2. Make an instagram account with that facebook account.

    3. Add a few travel photos.

    4. Find younger local girls he thought were cute and send a dm.

    He told me that at first he tried following them and commenting on their posts but it was too much work and apparently some had private accounts. In the DM he says he tells the girl she's cute and that with his job he travels a lot and doesn't have time for dating. He then says he'll be in Raleigh or whatever city that week and asks if she wants to meet up for dinner to to buy her something nice. His success rate wasn't too high but it said the quality was better than skip the games. Apparently when it works they fall into two categories 1) the somewhat innocent chick who knows sex is expected after dinner or that shopping trip 2) the ones who know the score and just ask for a dollar amount up front. Of the ones in category 2 he said he will usually pay around 200 but they stay for a couple of hours. He said the girls who responded were very similar to seeking arrangements before the hookers got on there and started advertsing hourly rates and ridiculous allowances.

    Again, this is not something I've tried because as he said, unless you're paying a lot or have really invested in getting your profile right your success rate will be low. Instagram for the most part is just a way for people to get social validation and attract orbiters. FWIW I know a young 20's chick who loves to put photos on instagram of her fake fat ass and huge tits in swimsuits. When she has dms turns on she gets everything from hood dudes saying dumb shit to guys saying they want to take her on trips. She told her mom that she's even had guys outright offer money for sex.

    I have spoken to a couple of non-P4P guys who use instagram to find women, especially when they're traveling. They claimed their success rate was okay but both had actually invested in having someone improve their instagram profile and getting fake followers. We live in a world where women get tons of attention and validation. Sometimes even as a good guy you have to do something to stand above the crowd, especially if there's more than just money involved.

  6. #5504

    The blonde

    I SW is katt? I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinredline  [View Original Post]
    He has 4 total shared videos.

    https://www.pornhub.com/users/siazul/videos/public

    The one titled "but tod" is also Renae. The 4th one with eh blond SW I have no idea about.

  7. #5503

    Tatiana first contact strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by LookinGood  [View Original Post]
    What the heck is the secret to booking with this chick? Texted her several times and all I got was a "hello". If any of you guys ever met Petite Missy from way back, I was hoping she would be a close second.
    I dreamed I saw Tatiana a couple of times. She's a bit skiddish on the first meeting, but after that she saves your number and then she's much more responsive.

    The strategy I dreamed I used for the first meeting was to keep an STG search for her name open in a tab and refresh every so often. Then once I saw her post a new ad, I dreamed I messaged her and she responded.

    Overall it was a good dream. It's definitely her in the pics and they seem relatively recent. She had a few rules, but not bad. She took direction well and did everything I asked. 220 for an hour. Will repeat.

    http://archive.fo/yh6Rr

  8. #5502

    Memories

    I remember the giant roast beef curtains as well. Along with the horrendous stank of cigarette smoke and teeth needing attention.

    According to her FB page she is a lesbian (or bi at best) so that might have something to do with the no DATY, etc.

    Med.

    Quote Originally Posted by TaylorFun69  [View Original Post]
    Man, I haven't had a dream with Piper in a few years. The only thing really memorable about our dreams together were the giant lips on her kitty but unfortunately each time we had a dream she was very shy about anything related with them in any way at all. Not sure if her kitty's shyness has changed over the years. Been tempted to dream with her again but just haven't had the desire to since she doesn't offer DATY.

  9. #5501
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1651

    Instagram

    Quote Originally Posted by Triptogamont  [View Original Post]
    Interesting points and I agree on the theory. But I haven't seen a high quality girl in this area in quite a while. Lili was probably the last of an extinct species. A good looking girl who fucked and ate cum like she loved it. I gladly paid her 200+ per hour and would gladly do so again. But they just aren't around anymore. I know I'm not going to get that kind of service from an STG or EB girl anymore. And from what I can tell, the "high end" Eros girls are just as bad. So, I just want to scratch an itch these days. Why pay any more than the current falling rate? If / when the pornstar experience comes around, she will command the higher rate and I will pay it. Until then, I will fuck the bottom dwellers as cheaply as possible.
    As far as I know you have to know them first, nothing really to search under.

  10. #5500

    Instagram

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeLooking  [View Original Post]
    Regarding good looking providers, the secret is that backpage is gone and instragram is where most of the cute younger chicks find johns these days.
    Can you explain how you find girls on Instagram, please?

  11. #5499

    Find me a quality girl

    Quote Originally Posted by DonOvO  [View Original Post]
    Ok so I know we are enjoying this "slow time" for a lot of these providers. But please don't lowball them to the point in which it kills the value of the area. I'm starting to see a lot more girls go to Durham, or just move out of the area in general. If word gets out to areas outside of the RDU, then people are going to be less likely to come and stay. I agree that we shouldn't be paying $100 for a qv, but some of why'all are fucking these girls for like $30. Cmon now man. I'm pretty sure everyone is tired of the same few junkies that service the area. We need more quality girls.

    Also, some of why'all are paying bare minimum money, but expecting a pornstar experience. This isn't everyone so I don't want to generalize. I think most people just want a decent service. But some people are literally paying these girls the bare minimum (less then what they usually charge) but still expect some grand experience. People have to remember that, excluding the junkies that waste their money, it takes money to keep these girls up kept. Things like remaining fresh and clean, decent incall locations, manicures and pedicures for the men that like that stuff, etc. It all takes money. Giving these girls little money will make circumstances harder.

    Enjoy the low prices, but don't run Raleigh's quality value into the ground by trying to counter with a bs cheap price.
    Interesting points and I agree on the theory. But I haven't seen a high quality girl in this area in quite a while. Lili was probably the last of an extinct species. A good looking girl who fucked and ate cum like she loved it. I gladly paid her 200+ per hour and would gladly do so again. But they just aren't around anymore. I know I'm not going to get that kind of service from an STG or EB girl anymore. And from what I can tell, the "high end" Eros girls are just as bad. So, I just want to scratch an itch these days. Why pay any more than the current falling rate? If / when the pornstar experience comes around, she will command the higher rate and I will pay it. Until then, I will fuck the bottom dwellers as cheaply as possible.

  12. #5498

    Layla

    http://raleigh.skipthegames.com/fema...p/827832071120

    Saw her a couple weeks ago. Figured I would try again to see how well my mileage varied. Asked for a repeat of last time (60 qv with cim) and she agreed. She was much less accommodating this time around. She wanted to get to FS right away, and I had to talk her into a warmup BBBJ. She was reluctant to take her top and bra off. Honey, those tits are the reason I am here! Played with them for a bit. Short BBBJ. Meh FS. Then she reneged on CIM, so I glazed her stomach and tits. Her hair was wet from the shower when I got there, but there was still a significant musty odor down below. Maybe a time of month thing. She jumped in the shower immediately after the act, too. But the second time around wasn't nearly as good as the first, so I probably won't repeat again, especially without CIM.

  13. #5497

    XNya

    Quote Originally Posted by NooneAtal  [View Original Post]
    Does anyone know what happened to Sage and more recently Nya?
    Nya was out of town for a while, but she is back now with a new number. She is posting again on STG. I exchanged texts with her a couple of days ago, but could not work out a date.

  14. #5496

    Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by JcBoy77  [View Original Post]
    I also hear rumors there were videos of Rose too! Curious to see them.
    I definitely would love to see rose and angel but they are hard to find cause the uploder doesn't use their names unless someone sees them and post them on here.

  15. #5495
    Quote Originally Posted by WhatYaThinkXXX  [View Original Post]
    Some of the reason these girls give these bad dreams is because ya done barked them down to 30 bucks. And they feel slighted going into the dream.
    It depends on the chick and what you're asking for. Considering that a blow job is going to last between 10 and 20 minutes for most guys, a chick could do one an hour for 7 hours a day 5 days a week and be making more than the average person in wake and durham county. If a chick has an apartment in a decent location and can prove she gets tested on the regular then I'd bump that up to 50 for the blow job. I think 120/ hr is at the sweet spot of sex with 150-200 being about where I'd expect it to be if p4 p was legal. At that rate doing 3 customers a day and paying a house fee still puts the chick above the average wage for most of the country. If it's regulated like many countries, you as the John would pay the additional house fee.

    The truth is most of these chicks who give bad service do so because they don't want to be there and don't care about you wanting to be there. Given the nature of this business some have also spent an extensive period being treated like shit. It's fair to say that some of these chicks face worse PTSD than some soldiers. Drugs and whatnot also doesn't help to improve the performance. The reality is that with some of these providers paying 30 or 300 won't change their performance although it may put you ahead of some other guy in the line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pubb69  [View Original Post]
    Have to admit that it's pretty gross to be seeing women at this rate. The risks are off the charts, besides the fact that they are staying at sleazy hotels with pimps. All I read about is guys getting robbed, stood up, left waiting in parking lots and oh yeah they are downright nasty looking and the chance of catching something is very real.

    As far as the good looking providers coming here, forget about it that ship has sailed. Now you have the average mediocre ones all of a sudden thinking their pussy is worth twice what it used to be and the so called high end ones asking rates that can pay your monthly mortgage. This all happened because the local agencies were driven away by the fucked up laws in this state.
    The risk is there regardless. I've met $400/ hr chicks who have caught stds, who take as many customers a day as they can get and don't clean between customers. I've also had flakes trying to get with eros chicks and agencies can be just as bad as pimps.

    In my years of experience doing this one thing I've learned is that the price you pay for pussy here in the US rarely actually correlates to actual value for money (depending on what you value). IMO there was a time when the average chick at 250/ hr was light years ahead of the average chick at 120/ hr but that ship sailed long ago. Even on eros where you find chicks advertising for 500/ hr with a 1 hr minimum guys still have terrible experiences.

    Regarding good looking providers, the secret is that backpage is gone and instragram is where most of the cute younger chicks find johns these days.

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