"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Snake27]

Several weeks ago I met this 23 yo who was new to SA (I had to teach what is a M&G). With a college degree in a useless field she had a low-wage job and wanted to try cashing in on her beauty. Her boyfriend, from whom I was to be a secret, didn't give her money. Very intelligent girl with an amazing body, one of the best bodies I've ever had sex with.

At the M&G she suggested $200 per visit but she was to think about it. After a couple weeks of chatting and thinking she told me she was very frustrated by the site, with the usual complaint about aggressive guys and "creeps". I'm sure it's none of you gentlemen reading this. She told me I was the nicest guy she had met, but she had a lot of anxiety. So I had an idea which she agreed to: I could date her platonically for a finite time at half price ($100) until she made up her mind. It seems like a good idea for the type of girl I'd like to date.

After just one such date she texted me that she wanted to be my SB and she deleted her account on SA. Unfortunately, then the rinsing began, more proof that nice guys finish last. Her new price was now $300! To seal the deal she sent me naked mirror selfies. Then on the morning of the date she asked for a $100 tip with a promise to come down to $300 on subsequent dates. To the detriment of my anonymous handle's reputation here I confess that I caved in. However, the sex was fantastic, a great memory, and she was very sexual. To make a long story shorter, she subsequently made more financial demands, which I refused, and then she cut me off with a good-bye message saying that if she ever had an SD again, that "what I ask for, I get". I was always polite. I think that basically for the amount of money I am able to spend she didn't like me enough.

On another note, I contacted a previous SB named Mary who had quit me for the Nth time due to moral qualms. In some ways it was a mistake, but I wanted to check on how she was doing because we'd had unprotected sex. I'm responsible that way. She was at first polite and neutral but a few hours later I received a hate-filled diatribe that started with "Slave Master!" (I'm white, she's black) followed by accusations that I had manipulated her and how disappointed she was for "catching feelings" for such a "fucktard" as me, etc. I didn't argue with her but just said I was sorry that I had hurt her. I haven't heard from her in 2 weeks since then and I certainly won't bother her again. Bridges thoroughly burnt!

[TomDickNHarry]

I've recently got back into the bowl after taking more than a year off. My impression is that Sugaring and Seeking has been growing in popularity with young women. Many more youtube channels and blogs sharing strategies and successes on how to make "easy money" from " Sugar Daddy's" with our giving up any sugar. It's all made SDs seem like impersonal bots that no one should feel bad about wasting their time, misleading them or maximizing the $s they extract.

I see a lot more Platonic Only, Online Only, GPS profiles and straight escorts. I also see a lot more profiles in total. It takes more work to find a good match, but the choice has increased and good matches can still be found. The propaganda has poisoned many potentially good SBs.

I don't find the flaking any worse, it's always been terrible, but the platonic, online, gps, cashapp / venmo scams, are up 10 fold in the last few years. I think for the most part it's just been getting progressively worse, the only specific thing I can point to is when they started allowing online only profiles, there was a step change in lower quality profiles. And the number of escorts on there unquestionably increased after FOSTA.

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In the last several weeks, I've had as many last-minute ghosts as I've had the prior five years I've been on SA. There's no particular pattern that I can see. One I had been talking to for a couple of weeks, and we were supposed to meet for lunch and then move to a hotel if we liked each other; my last text from her was the night before the proposed meeting, but the next morning, she didn't respond to texts, and I haven't heard from her since, although she's been on SA. One had given me the address of her apartment and told me to text her when I was there. I texted her from the parking lot, and she told me what apartment to ring. I rang a few times and got no response. I left, and about two hours later got a text asking me what had happened. The most recent was just an M&G at a restaurant. We had been trying to set something up for a couple of weeks, and we texted back and forth confirming the time and place the morning of; I went to the restaurant and waited for almost 30 minutes before ordering food for myself and having a solo lunch. Each of these incidents involved arranged times and places, and the latter two involved my actually going to the appointed place. I'm wondering whether I'm just having bad luck (fortunately, I've also had some good luck recently, too), or whether there's some kind of new sport where girls play games like this to feel like they have some power.

These events are more serious than the regular ghosting that occurs when someone you've been talking to stops responding to your messages. These cases involved my arranging time off of work and a fair amount of time driving around. Has anyone else noticed such a pattern?

You're getting catfished.

The person you've been communicating with is watching you show up and wait. They get a thrill out of doing so.

I would never waste a couple of weeks messaging with someone. Just text a few times and set up a meeting. If they don't agree to meet, block and move on. It's just someone who is looking for a texting friend, catfishing you, or whatever.

Anyone serious about an arrangement will meet in person after a few text messages.

Never wait 30 minutes for a date.

Pick a place which has a good view of the entry from the parking lot. Show up early and wait for her to arrive, THEN go in. If she doesn't show, don't go in.

Whatever you do, don't go to a private residence for the first meeting. That's either a catfish or a setup to get yourself into trouble.

[Madaboutmax]

I've recently got back into the bowl after taking more than a year off. My impression is that Sugaring and Seeking has been growing in popularity with young women. Many more youtube channels and blogs sharing strategies and successes on how to make "easy money" from " Sugar Daddy's" with our giving up any sugar. It's all made SDs seem like impersonal bots that no one should feel bad about wasting their time, misleading them or maximizing the $s they extract.

I see a lot more Platonic Only, Online Only, GPS profiles and straight escorts. I also see a lot more profiles in total. It takes more work to find a good match, but the choice has increased and good matches can still be found. The propaganda has poisoned many potentially good SBs.

In the last several weeks, I've had as many last-minute ghosts as I've had the prior five years I've been on SA. There's no particular pattern that I can see. One I had been talking to for a couple of weeks, and we were supposed to meet for lunch and then move to a hotel if we liked each other; my last text from her was the night before the proposed meeting, but the next morning, she didn't respond to texts, and I haven't heard from her since, although she's been on SA. One had given me the address of her apartment and told me to text her when I was there. I texted her from the parking lot, and she told me what apartment to ring. I rang a few times and got no response. I left, and about two hours later got a text asking me what had happened. The most recent was just an M&G at a restaurant. We had been trying to set something up for a couple of weeks, and we texted back and forth confirming the time and place the morning of; I went to the restaurant and waited for almost 30 minutes before ordering food for myself and having a solo lunch. Each of these incidents involved arranged times and places, and the latter two involved my actually going to the appointed place. I'm wondering whether I'm just having bad luck (fortunately, I've also had some good luck recently, too), or whether there's some kind of new sport where girls play games like this to feel like they have some power.

These events are more serious than the regular ghosting that occurs when someone you've been talking to stops responding to your messages. These cases involved my arranging time off of work and a fair amount of time driving around. Has anyone else noticed such a pattern?

[LoVecchio]

In the last several weeks, I've had as many last-minute ghosts as I've had the prior five years I've been on SA. There's no particular pattern that I can see. One I had been talking to for a couple of weeks, and we were supposed to meet for lunch and then move to a hotel if we liked each other; my last text from her was the night before the proposed meeting, but the next morning, she didn't respond to texts, and I haven't heard from her since, although she's been on SA. One had given me the address of her apartment and told me to text her when I was there. I texted her from the parking lot, and she told me what apartment to ring. I rang a few times and got no response. I left, and about two hours later got a text asking me what had happened. The most recent was just an M&G at a restaurant. We had been trying to set something up for a couple of weeks, and we texted back and forth confirming the time and place the morning of; I went to the restaurant and waited for almost 30 minutes before ordering food for myself and having a solo lunch. Each of these incidents involved arranged times and places, and the latter two involved my actually going to the appointed place. I'm wondering whether I'm just having bad luck (fortunately, I've also had some good luck recently, too), or whether there's some kind of new sport where girls play games like this to feel like they have some power.

These events are more serious than the regular ghosting that occurs when someone you've been talking to stops responding to your messages. These cases involved my arranging time off of work and a fair amount of time driving around. Has anyone else noticed such a pattern?

[DoggieFan]

I just logged in, guess they didn't get busted after all!

I'm sure if they do get taken down someday, everyone gets a refund LOL.

[DogBert77]

Anyone else having problems logging into SA today. I keep getting a message that login from my network is temporarily restricted.

I just logged in, guess they didn't get busted after all!

[DogBert77]

Anyone else having problems logging into SA today. I keep getting a message that login from my network is temporarily restricted.

I got the same message just now:

"Sorry, login from this network is temporarily restricted. Please try again later, or use a different network. For further information, contact customer support. ".

I always login using Chrome Incognito mode using a VPN (TunnelBear) with a US IP address. I am wondering if the VPN is a problem? Are other people getting the same message without using a VPN?

[KnoxOle]

I am having the same issue. Looks like the site is temporarily down.

Try WiFi.

They know the issue.

I tried to contact their customer service.

https://www.seeking.com/help/faq

[DrSummer]

I am having the same issue. Looks like the site is temporarily down.

Anyone else having problems logging into SA today. I keep getting a message that login from my network is temporarily restricted.

[GolfMan57]

Anyone else having problems logging into SA today. I keep getting a message that login from my network is temporarily restricted.

[ClamDigger69]

If you haven't discovered this podcast, it is like a PHD into the inner sexual thoughts of two hot twenty somethings. There's a ton of info you can use to up your Sugaring game.

Call Her Daddy is a podcast of two very sexual young beauties living in NYC. Their topics range from how girls can give a life changing BBBJ, tips for guys to becoming a master at eating pussy, to a variety of other subjects.

They mention sugaring some but it's not the main topic. I like that they promote having a BF & SD. That being pampered by a SD isn't cheating, but don't tell your BF. That increases the fish in the sea for us.

Having had a gorgeous SB with a live in BF who eventually became her fianc, I'm all for that. Heck, we even stayed together eight months after she got engaged! I loved that she was so open with me about him. I even met him a couple of times sitting at the bar in the restaurant where she waitressed. He wouldn't have guessed in a million years when talking to me, that I had been with her for five hours in my hotel suite, earlier that day, popped three times in her ass! She was less than half my age.

One of the most valuable ones for me was about texting tricks, use of Instagram as a trolling tool, how to get your girl to do BGG, three way, etc.

I've literally messed up more than once with Babies due to my texting style, too needy. This advice would have been gold to me.

The podcasts are funny as shit, I love listening to them on long drives. Hope the link works. I'm about half way through.

Be sure to start at episode one. About 5 or 6 in they got hired by Barstool Sports.

https://podtail.com/en/podcast/call-her-daddy/

Have a 45 min commute each day there and back so this will be great to pick up some pointers on! Thanks for the link!

[DoggieFan]

If you haven't discovered this podcast, it is like a PHD into the inner sexual thoughts of two hot twenty somethings. There's a ton of info you can use to up your Sugaring game.

Call Her Daddy is a podcast of two very sexual young beauties living in NYC. Their topics range from how girls can give a life changing BBBJ, tips for guys to becoming a master at eating pussy, to a variety of other subjects.

They mention sugaring some but it's not the main topic. I like that they promote having a BF & SD. That being pampered by a SD isn't cheating, but don't tell your BF. That increases the fish in the sea for us.

Having had a gorgeous SB with a live in BF who eventually became her fiancé, I'm all for that. Heck, we even stayed together eight months after she got engaged! I loved that she was so open with me about him. I even met him a couple of times sitting at the bar in the restaurant where she waitressed. He wouldn't have guessed in a million years when talking to me, that I had been with her for five hours in my hotel suite, earlier that day, popped three times in her ass! She was less than half my age.

One of the most valuable ones for me was about texting tricks, use of Instagram as a trolling tool, how to get your girl to do BGG, three way, etc.

I've literally messed up more than once with Babies due to my texting style, too needy. This advice would have been gold to me.

The podcasts are funny as shit, I love listening to them on long drives. Hope the link works. I'm about half way through.

Be sure to start at episode one. About 5 or 6 in they got hired by Barstool Sports.

https://podtail.com/en/podcast/call-her-daddy/

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I used a One Vanilla gift card yesterday with no problems. Just go on One Vanilla website and register an email for the gift card first. I have been doing this every month without any issues, don't know why others are reporting it doesn't work.

I agree.

Vanilla cards work 100% of the time if you use them properly.

Buy the $100 card, not the variable amount cards, not the reloadable card. Register it on the Vanilla website using any information you want. Just make sure to use a real Zip Code.

Then go to SA and apply payment using the same information you used to register on Vanilla's site.

When you finish, the card will have $10 left on it. Take the card to a gas station and swipe it. The pump will let you drain the remaining balance in gas.

[DogBert77]

It was a fixed $ amount card, not one that you reload. That might make a differencer.

Likewise, I always use a fixed dollar amount card, maybe that is the difference.