"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[DogBert77]

Only had it happen once, and was also after the deed was done and we were still in the room, also hadn't discussed money ....

I have had this three times now. Each time, there was no discussion of the amount before hand, but there was a general expectation of sugar. I gave them all three the same amount. Despite the objections from these three, I have given the same donation many times to other girls who were just as hot and had no problem with the amount. Here are the three:

1. Most recent experience a couple days ago, she left room and came back and knocked on door, wanting 2 x.

2. A couple weeks ago, different SB, another very hot girl, 21 yo. After the deed, slipped an envelope into her purse. She goes into bathroom and looks into it before leaving room. Comes out and tells me "we agreed to 1. 66 x" and she "never does it" for less. Another girl too professional for my taste (although not all that professional since she didn't negotiate in advance). I told her we had not agreed on anything and refused to give her any more. She didn't actually try to negotiate very hard and seemed not that bothered by the amount. I guess she just thought it was worth a try. I would have banged her once or twice more and I think she would have been up for it at the original donation level, but she moved to another city the next week. Not just blowing me off, I saw it on her profile and she mentioned when I met her she was thinking about moving. These young girls have pretty unstable lives.

3. A few months ago, the best of the the three overall, spectacular body with huge tits, tiny waist and nice ass. I think she was 23 or 24, don't really remember. She was living with a boyfriend who didn't know about her activities on the side. Excellent skills and a real desire to please. Face was nice, but not as spectacular. I am often attracted to butterfaces, since I am much more concerned about their bodies than their faces. This one had a nice face, but not in the same league as her super hot body. When we were done, I did my usual thing, slipped an envelope with cash in her purse. She did not look at it before leaving. Got a text from her a couple hours later bitching about the amount. We texted back and forth a few times and she said she would only repeat for 2 x the donation. I let her go. I think this one was just really uncomfortable talking about money and didn't like to admit to herself what she was doing.

I suppose all of these incidents are a result of me usually not talking money before going to FC. I am still amazed that girls will do it on that basis. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy they do. It gives me, the consumer, all the power. It just seems weird that they would try to negotiate after I have fucked them. Surely they are aware that they are plenty of other girls for us to to choose from for the next time.

[Grafenberg]

This one from Fredericksburg is a pic seller. Promises to see you if you buy first.

https://www.seeking.com/member/b696f...7-f3c4f132c304

She has several good reviews on the Fredericksburg board under 'General' topics I think.

[RegularJoe1985]

Guessing you haven't been active in the game for a while, as TER is history.

Too bad, it was a great resource.

As to if your SBs have a room in her rate they don't. So add that to her $. It's always safer to have them book & pay for the room then add it to her requested amount. Don't be surprised if she can't. Many of these girls don't have a credit card.

Good hunting!

Guess you missed the etc. after t3r

No, I've been busy with pros. Indies and agencies. Just didn't have the time to invest in SBs since it seemed that it does take a lot of initial work. Pros / Agencies. One quick text and I'm on my way to satisfaction.

But back to the issue on hand - yes that is what I thought. Will add to her 'support' and have her book on her CC, well at least that is what I'm going to push for..

[TomDickNHarry]

Only had it happen once, and was also after the deed was done and we were still in the room, also hadn't discussed money though she made some vague comment in the M&G about doing this so she could get a new phone, I didn't think she meant in 1 meet. Key difference being I hadn't yet gotten her out the door yet (though I like you probably would've opened the door too wary of her making a scene or trying to wait and photo me leaving or something). So I ended up giving her more than I wanted, though not quite as much as she wanted just to get rid of her. She was super hot but really not that great a lay, at least first time, but would've repeated to see if it improved without the money stunt at the end. I honestly don't know if it was a strategy or inexperience.

Today I made first trip to FC with new (to me) SB. We had been texting a while and had one M&G for coffee last week. This meet was straight to hotel. She was 114 pounds and 5'6, 22 years old. Very nice looking girl, I would say 9 body and 7 face. As with most of my SB's, no direct discussion of allowance prior to FC, although there was definitely an expectation of sugar. To my mind, if they don't negotiate cash amount before going to FC, they are unlikely to be a true pro and thus more likely to be the kind of SB I like.

Get to FC, very good experience. I would give her a 9 on attitude and maybe a 7. 5 on skills. DFK, DATY, BBJ, covered FS. No rush. I like to raw dog the ones I think are low volume, but wanted to cover up for her because I suspected she might be a bit popular. We talk about meeting up next week but do not set a firm date. I was up for a repeat mostly because I really loved her body, but she gave off sort of a semi-pro vibe so I didn't consider her to have much long term potential. I tuck cash into her purse and off she goes.

She is back at the door about a minute later asking for more cash. (I don't like to talk numbers on here because I don't live in Richmond. I am in a high cost major metropolitan area and everything costs more here. If I include the actual numbers this thread will just devolve into a lot of people telling me I overpaid, how much (little) they pay, etc. That is not where I a want to go with this.) I offer a standard cash donation, which I had given her. I believe it to be on the low end of the local range, but it is at least in the local range, not way below it. She says "we agreed" to 2 x what I gave her. I pointed out, correctly, that we had not had any discussion of amount prior to FC. She says she "never does it" for less than 2 x what I gave her (another sign of someone with more practice at this than I really like). I refused to hand over any more cash and said I guessed we wouldn't be meeting next week, and she took off.

My first thought was she just got me mixed up with some other dude who was offering 2 x. But something very similar happened to me with a different girl a couple of weeks ago. So now I am wondering if this is some sort of an angle that they have cooked to play us with. Maybe they swap tips on their secret SB forum on how to do this. You know, screw first and then try to guilt the guy out of more cash because "we agreed. " If it is a plan like that, it seems pretty stupid to me. I already banged her, and enjoyed her thoroughly. While I would be willing to see her again for my standard donation, I'm not too bothered by it and definitely not willing to pay 2 x. So why would anyone cough up more money after the deed? Curious as to other guys experience with this sort of thing.

[JustLonely]

This one from Fredericksburg is a pic seller. Promises to see you if you buy first.

https://www.seeking.com/member/b696f...7-f3c4f132c304

[DoggieFan]

Hello all,

Trying to dip my toes in SB field, have mostly been on t3 r etc.

One SB cannot host so was wondering if I pay extra for place or is it included in the support I give her?

I'm thinking of letting her get the place on her I'd and CC etc. Any issues with that?

Thanks,

Guessing you haven't been active in the game for a while, as TER is history.

Too bad, it was a great resource.

As to if your SBs have a room in her rate they don't. So add that to her $. It's always safer to have them book & pay for the room then add it to her requested amount. Don't be surprised if she can't. Many of these girls don't have a credit card.

Good hunting!

[Geechie Dan]

Is she the Asian you mentioned a while back?? LOL.

Yep, she's the one! Secret is out on her I guess!

[JustLonely]

Hello all,

Trying to dip my toes in SB field, have mostly been on t3 r etc.

One SB cannot host so was wondering if I pay extra for place or is it included in the support I give her?

I'm thinking of letting her get the place on her I'd and CC etc. Any issues with that?

Thanks,

You get the place on your dime. Unless you stumble on one of the pros that frequent the site. Too many guys competing for the same hot looking coeds to suggest that they get the place. Platonic and GPS are common now. But someone is keeping them busy it seems.

[RegularJoe1985]

Hello all,

Trying to dip my toes in SB field, have mostly been on t3 r etc.

One SB cannot host so was wondering if I pay extra for place or is it included in the support I give her?

I'm thinking of letting her get the place on her I'd and CC etc. Any issues with that?

Thanks,

[DogBert77]

I would never answer the door for a ***** after they have left. No reason for them to be there. Their job is done.

And if an SB pulled that on me without agreeing to a price, I'd be tempted to get my original payment back and send her on her way. These girls don't have pimps waiting around the corner, they can't act like that.

I did think about not opening the door, but opened it because (I) as you pointed out, I was pretty sure she didn't have a pimp around the corner; and (ii) it had actually been a pretty friendly encounter, didn't really have anything to fear. But you make a good point.

Oh well. I have a date with one of my favorites tomorrow night. Bareback all the way, hot, great service, fun girl, she handles the hotel reservation. And she has never, ever bitched about the donation, never asked for cash, never mentioned it. There's a lot of reasons she's a favorite. Did I mention the great rack?

[FarFarAway]

I appreciate your report. I had a girl attempt to blackmail me 2 weeks ago out here. Claimed she had taken pics and had my plate number. When I asked for proof, nothing, just bitching and more threats. Kinda got me scared a bit, but had great new date with real sb today and already a second round scheduled for next week. We all have to take care; the scammers are out there!

Like so many such threats, it's best to have offense and defense at the ready. Operational security, a fake plate, or no plate, so you know a statement like hers is a bluff. Just like a girl who says you knocked her up. The standard response must be 'couldn't be me, I was snipped years ago' even if that isn't so, *and* you BB'd her. For those who want to extort claiming to 'know your wife' (yes, I have had a dim bulb say that), the standard response must be 'well, honey, cheating isn't the nicest thing I've ever done, but it's not against the law. However, extortion, amply evidenced in the texts you've sent me (screenshot for emphasis) is a felony. ' it should send her away w / her tail between her legs.

[BlueFalcon123]

I can't wait for your report GD, please, TOFTT! I'd like to see the rest of her body. Looks like she's got a nice rack. I'm generally not into short hair but I would be intrigued by her reaction to a real dick in her kitty.

Her ad on massage republic:

https://massagerepublic.com/female-e...nia/nova-white

Body is nice. Not spinner, but not bbw. $ for hh. I can say, I throughly enjoyed her mic skills. Gives you access to whole body. I would repeat just for the BBBJ. CoF and Cim is fine with her. She is loving dick. Said she is craving it more and more now. Does doubles with Pixie. She's on the same site.

[BlueFalcon123]

Yep, she's good to go! Definitely a keeper.

If she likes you, BB is fine, just no CIP. Have fun! I know I did.

[ErkTheOne]

Anybody else have experience with Zara? Definitely recommended, right to business, good time with cover but BBBJ.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ea886...d-46b326cc6db5.

Agree completely, she is good to go and a lot fun. Very sexy. Treat her well.

[WPGuy]

Today I made first trip to FC with new (to me) SB. We had been texting a while and had one M&G for coffee last week. This meet was straight to hotel. She was 114 pounds and 5'6, 22 years old. Very nice looking girl, I would say 9 body and 7 face. As with most of my SB's, no direct discussion of allowance prior to FC, although there was definitely an expectation of sugar. To my mind, if they don't negotiate cash amount before going to FC, they are unlikely to be a true pro and thus more likely to be the kind of SB I like.

Get to FC, very good experience. I would give her a 9 on attitude and maybe a 7. 5 on skills. DFK, DATY, BBJ, covered FS. No rush. I like to raw dog the ones I think are low volume, but wanted to cover up for her because I suspected she might be a bit popular. We talk about meeting up next week but do not set a firm date. I was up for a repeat mostly because I really loved her body, but she gave off sort of a semi-pro vibe so I didn't consider her to have much long term potential. I tuck cash into her purse and off she goes.

She is back at the door about a minute later asking for more cash. (I don't like to talk numbers on here because I don't live in Richmond. I am in a high cost major metropolitan area and everything costs more here. If I include the actual numbers this thread will just devolve into a lot of people telling me I overpaid, how much (little) they pay, etc. That is not where I a want to go with this.) I offer a standard cash donation, which I had given her. I believe it to be on the low end of the local range, but it is at least in the local range, not way below it. She says "we agreed" to 2 x what I gave her. I pointed out, correctly, that we had not had any discussion of amount prior to FC. She says she "never does it" for less than 2 x what I gave her (another sign of someone with more practice at this than I really like). I refused to hand over any more cash and said I guessed we wouldn't be meeting next week, and she took off.

My first thought was she just got me mixed up with some other dude who was offering 2 x. But something very similar happened to me with a different girl a couple of weeks ago. So now I am wondering if this is some sort of an angle that they have cooked to play us with. Maybe they swap tips on their secret SB forum on how to do this. You know, screw first and then try to guilt the guy out of more cash because "we agreed. " If it is a plan like that, it seems pretty stupid to me. I already banged her, and enjoyed her thoroughly. While I would be willing to see her again for my standard donation, I'm not too bothered by it and definitely not willing to pay 2 x. So why would anyone cough up more money after the deed? Curious as to other guys experience with this sort of thing.

I appreciate your report. I had a girl attempt to blackmail me 2 weeks ago out here. Claimed she had taken pics and had my plate number. When I asked for proof, nothing, just bitching and more threats. Kinda got me scared a bit, but had great new date with real sb today and already a second round scheduled for next week. We all have to take care; the scammers are out there!