Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[D Nut]

So I was discussing the whole GFE, non-GFE, PSE services and it occured to me that for a true PSE, video or still photographer should be offered as part of the package. Otherwise, it's just people vigorously having sex. You can get that with a girlfriend with a healthy sexual appetite. That's not really a porn star experience; just vigorous sex. Maybe use a new term. VSE; vigorous sex experience.

So, chime in. PSE- option for a camera, or no need for an option for a camera? Discuss.

[FunLuver]

We know you're doing you're job, but take a look at statistics, if you bust all the AMPs in Hamilton there is going to be an enivitable rise in the Homicide rate, check the facts, Lexington had this happen a few years back and at one point they were tied with Cincinnati on Homcides. Just an idea, give a monger a few places to do his business and ignored them, you'll find the crime rate drops and you look great in the public's eye, try it and see!!

My apologies to Admin if this was the wrong place to post this.

[Simp4ebony]

I thought for sure you would have gotten it. I am sure others thought you was going to get it.

I believe it was a random drawing. I think she actually tells the truth about all this stuff.

[MisforMaster]

But you do not know shit about technology. Exactly where would they serve the subpoena and to whom would they serve it?

If they went to our hosts in fucking Malaysia, if they bothered to answer which I doubt because they don't answer us and we give them money what would they give? We don't log IP addresses. If we did, then maybe you might want to google VPN.

If you're using a VPN then Cincy Bell says "uh looks like Nord VPN to me. Which does not log data and does not respond to subpoenas. And all of this for a misdemeanor solicitation charge. They are going to serve subpoenas through the Conventions of the Hague in 5 different countries to hopefully charge some guy with getting a handy?

Yeah, I can see a the not having an issue with that budget.

A2.

Do me a favor next time, before you want to bloviate about how people could get busted why not check yourself first.

Look at what they did to Kim Dotcom and Mega. The US put pressure on New Zealand until they basically became the pawns of the MPAA / RIAA. I'm not saying that they'd do it for misdemeanor bullshit, but, if someone was sex traffic'ed here, I guarantee that someone in the HamCo Prosecutor's office would be sending those to the USA in SDOhio and it'd get more interesting from there.

Hell, the US was able to get a carder from Russia arrested and extradited back to the US a few years ago -- from a country that did not have an extradition treaty with the US. (Search for "Track2" if you don't believe me).

I'm not saying it's impossible, but, I'm saying that if there's enough motivation to find someone, they'll push on countries until they get what they want.

[MisforMaster]

Cameras in the rooms? If so they could be opening themselves up to a law suit as well for the guys or girls that got a legit massage. A couple of weeks ago there was a conversation about some ladies that were video taped and shit hit the fan if memory serves. Also, would they be able to go in to a providers residence? I don't think so. That where our tax money gives relief to one of our own.

Also, most pay cash-lot harder to track shit down.

This may not make sense. But alot of unanswered questions.

Yes -- the Judge ordered Cameras in the rooms. Sadly, there's no "Expectation of Privacy" shield when it comes to prostitution investigations and stings.

The Judge may sign an order for a Provider's residence -- and honestly, that wouldn't fly in states like Alaska or Vermont, but, it *would* fly in Ohio. Getting the Cameras in without getting caught? That's something completely different. But it has been done before (I remember a case where they taped the couple whose infant died and the audio was so unintelligible that the case got thrown out on appeal a few years ago).

MM.

[TapThat]

As a former criminal defense attorney, I can tell you that LEO can use whatever investigation tools they want to as long as it's "legally obtained. ".

This information is posted on the web, basically, for all to see. While I'd like to think that A2 won't splay our IP addresses if they get a subpoena, I can't say that his hosting provider would do the same. Or Cincinnati Bell / Time Warner wouldn't give up the traffic that's going to this site.

What's growing is a trend where they do "parallel construction" -- basically, they'll obtain evidence in a way that isn't on the up-and-up, and then magically "find" a way to make it admissible evidence.

I try to stay with providers that I know, doing things that I like, and paying them well. Until I find a nice, no drama, no stress SB. (Ha!

MM.

Cameras in the rooms? If so they could be opening themselves up to a law suit as well for the guys or girls that got a legit massage. A couple of weeks ago there was a conversation about some ladies that were video taped and shit hit the fan if memory serves. Also, would they be able to go in to a providers residence? I don't think so. That where our tax money gives relief to one of our own.

Also, most pay cash-lot harder to track shit down.

This may not make sense. But alot of unanswered questions.

[TapThat]

I agree! Her explanation makes sense to me. I love my loyalty card. I believe the raffle was real, and I hope I win next time! She has so many stellar reviews here and elsewhere, I don't know why she'd need to fake her own.

I thought for sure you would have gotten it. I am sure others thought you was going to get it.

[Simp4ebony]

I also chatted with her today, and her explanation seems legit to me also. I think Willie exists as well as Ferrari1977, which I still don't get why his account was banned in the first place. With that in mind, I think the raffle was legitimate and, full disclosure, I was to be the winner if Ferrari1977 had not claimed his prize in 24 hours. I don't know if you guys remember the "King Card" that she introduced with that raffle, but I have logged in the required visits and received my "free one". All this to say that I think she is on the up and up and I commend her for her ingenuity and motivation in marketing for her services. 99% of the other providers on here can not boast anything close. To be honest, thinking about the whole raffle concept, I can't really think of too many providers who I would even care to win a raffle for free time. With Thalia, it is worth something!

And like Santa, I too have arrived with extra money and never had anything come up missing, ever! I would close with my usual YMMV, but with Thalia, it does not vary much. Awesome provider with every visit.

JAC.

I agree! Her explanation makes sense to me. I love my loyalty card. I believe the raffle was real, and I hope I win next time! She has so many stellar reviews here and elsewhere, I don't know why she'd need to fake her own.

[BengalMan]

But you do not know shit about technology. Exactly where would they serve the subpoena and to whom would they serve it?

If they went to our hosts in fucking Malaysia, if they bothered to answer which I doubt because they don't answer us and we give them money what would they give? We don't log IP addresses. If we did, then maybe you might want to google VPN.

If you're using a VPN then Cincy Bell says "uh looks like Nord VPN to me. Which does not log data and does not respond to subpoenas. And all of this for a misdemeanor solicitation charge. They are going to serve subpoenas through the Conventions of the Hague in 5 different countries to hopefully charge some guy with getting a handy?

Yeah, I can see a the not having an issue with that budget.

A2.

Do me a favor next time, before you want to bloviate about how people could get busted why not check yourself first.

This is what's known in the judiciary as a beatdown.

[JustACustomer]

I have seen her fairly regular over the last year. I even spoke to her today over her alleged SOC account. Her explanation seems legit to me, though somewhat comical. A lady that can do what she does the way she does it does not need to self review. I even carried way to much $$ with me one time and forgot I had it she had access and nothing was missing. I trust her and her raffle! If ya don't fair enough more time for those of us who do!! Definetly ATF material as I call her World F#cking Champion LOL.

I also chatted with her today, and her explanation seems legit to me also. I think Willie exists as well as Ferrari1977, which I still don't get why his account was banned in the first place. With that in mind, I think the raffle was legitimate and, full disclosure, I was to be the winner if Ferrari1977 had not claimed his prize in 24 hours. I don't know if you guys remember the "King Card" that she introduced with that raffle, but I have logged in the required visits and received my "free one". All this to say that I think she is on the up and up and I commend her for her ingenuity and motivation in marketing for her services. 99% of the other providers on here can not boast anything close. To be honest, thinking about the whole raffle concept, I can't really think of too many providers who I would even care to win a raffle for free time. With Thalia, it is worth something!

And like Santa, I too have arrived with extra money and never had anything come up missing, ever! I would close with my usual YMMV, but with Thalia, it does not vary much. Awesome provider with every visit.

JAC.

[Willow1535]

A2, I don't know how you do it, but you have the patience of Job for dealing with all of the drama on this site.

I have seen her fairly regular over the last year. I even spoke to her today over her alleged SOC account. Her explanation seems legit to me, though somewhat comical. A lady that can do what she does the way she does it does not need to self review. I even carried way to much $$ with me one time and forgot I had it she had access and nothing was missing. I trust her and her raffle! If ya don't fair enough more time for those of us who do!! Definetly ATF material as I call her World F#cking Champion LOL.

[Santa22]

I have seen her fairly regular over the last year. I even spoke to her today over her alleged SOC account. Her explanation seems legit to me, though somewhat comical. A lady that can do what she does the way she does it does not need to self review. I even carried way to much $$ with me one time and forgot I had it she had access and nothing was missing. I trust her and her raffle! If ya don't fair enough more time for those of us who do!! Definetly ATF material as I call her World F#cking Champion LOL.

[Admin2]

As a former criminal defense attorney, I can tell you that LEO can use whatever investigation tools they want to as long as it's "legally obtained. ".

This information is posted on the web, basically, for all to see. While I'd like to think that A2 won't splay our IP addresses if they get a subpoena, I can't say that his hosting provider would do the same. Or Cincinnati Bell / Time Warner wouldn't give up the traffic that's going to this site.

What's growing is a trend where they do "parallel construction" -- basically, they'll obtain evidence in a way that isn't on the up-and-up, and then magically "find" a way to make it admissible evidence.

I try to stay with providers that I know, doing things that I like, and paying them well. Until I find a nice, no drama, no stress SB. (Ha!

MM.

But you do not know shit about technology. Exactly where would they serve the subpoena and to whom would they serve it?

If they went to our hosts in fucking Malaysia, if they bothered to answer which I doubt because they don't answer us and we give them money what would they give? We don't log IP addresses. If we did, then maybe you might want to google VPN.

If you're using a VPN then Cincy Bell says "uh looks like Nord VPN to me. Which does not log data and does not respond to subpoenas. And all of this for a misdemeanor solicitation charge. They are going to serve subpoenas through the Conventions of the Hague in 5 different countries to hopefully charge some guy with getting a handy?

Yeah, I can see a the not having an issue with that budget.

A2.

Do me a favor next time, before you want to bloviate about how people could get busted why not check yourself first.

[MisforMaster]

During my reading for the forum, I had started believing that LEO cannot use info from sites like these, but this gotten me thinking.

As a former criminal defense attorney, I can tell you that LEO can use whatever investigation tools they want to as long as it's "legally obtained. ".

This information is posted on the web, basically, for all to see. While I'd like to think that A2 won't splay our IP addresses if they get a subpoena, I can't say that his hosting provider would do the same. Or Cincinnati Bell / Time Warner wouldn't give up the traffic that's going to this site.

What's growing is a trend where they do "parallel construction" -- basically, they'll obtain evidence in a way that isn't on the up-and-up, and then magically "find" a way to make it admissible evidence.

I try to stay with providers that I know, doing things that I like, and paying them well. Until I find a nice, no drama, no stress SB. (Ha!

MM.

[Observant]

I thank you for your reports that helped me to have fun and stay safe, and I thank A2 for providing the forum for this info. Stay safe out there.

Good luck to you as well.

What I found was particularly bothersome was this section in the article.

"They searched online forums where users posted about sex acts performed at the massage parlors. Based on the evidence they collected, they obtained a warrant to conduct surveillance. ".

During my reading for the forum, I had started believing that LEO cannot use info from sites like these, but this gotten me thinking.

Peace.

Ob.