"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Bummm** · 01-22-19 21:55

Originally Posted by PartyTimeGuy [View Original Post]

Just thinking more about this subject gets my juices flowing.

I have actually had many SBs that were as submissive as you might hope to expect. None of them were experienced in this when I first met them, but I was more than happy to indulge their curiosity and oblige their enlightenment. One in particular comes to mind that I enjoyed most deliciously when she was a freshman and sophomore in college. Looking at my catalog of pics and vids of her reminds me vividly how exciting and satisfying that was for me.

She looks like a sweet little subby sub and would definitely get my juices flowing LOL.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 01-22-19 21:44

Just thinking more about this subject gets my juices flowing.

I have actually had many SBs that were as submissive as you might hope to expect. None of them were experienced in this when I first met them, but I was more than happy to indulge their curiosities and oblige their further enlightenment. One in particular comes to mind that I enjoyed most deliciously when she was a freshman and sophomore in college. Looking at my catalog of pics and vids of her reminds me vividly how exciting and satisfying that was for me.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 01-22-19 18:14

Originally Posted by RappaHannock [View Original Post]

Chatting with this girl on SA. She describes herself as submissive. Interested in hearing if any of you have had experiences with submissives. PM me for more details. Thanks.

Every single LTSB arrangement I have ever had was with a female who was submissive to some degree. Attitude is everything and submissiveness is primarily what appeals. It is definitely on the opposite side of the spectrum from GPS.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 01-22-19 17:45

Originally Posted by HotHot [View Original Post]

That's amazing, thanks for sharing. Care to share how much that set you back?

On this occasion: three holes. 2 cups, pics and vids for $ and 1/2. A bargain.

**Hot Hot** · 01-22-19 17:23

That's amazing, thanks for sharing. Care to share how much that set you back?

Originally Posted by PartyTimeGuy [View Original Post]

Usually I like to take my time. A nice dinner with wine. Some flowers. Perhaps a little gift of jewelry. A steamy hot roll in the hay at a nice hotel. Maybe 2 or 3 rolls. Anyone for 4? LOL Most girls appreciate the romanticism of it all and are quite willing to give you any hole you want for as long as you want.

But then there is that day you don't have time for all of that. So you park in a secluded place like a horny teenager and have some good old fashioned car sex. So nice. Especially when she looks like your first grade teacher.

Which is this? The pics speak for themselves. I don't think it was ever this good when I was 16. Some things, like wine, get better with age.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 01-22-19 16:10

Usually I like to take my time. A nice dinner with wine. Some flowers. Perhaps a little gift of jewelry. A steamy hot roll in the hay at a nice hotel. Maybe 2 or 3 rolls. Anyone for 4? LOL Most girls appreciate the romanticism of it all and are quite willing to give you any hole you want for as long as you want.

But then there is that day you don't have time for all of that. So you park in a secluded place like a horny teenager and have some good old fashioned car sex. So nice. Especially when she looks like your first grade teacher.

Which is this? The pics speak for themselves. I don't think it was ever this good when I was 16. Some things, like wine, get better with age.

**SandPiper540** · 01-22-19 15:29

Has anyone actually seen this baby? She's been available for quite some time. She responds, I'm just curious if anyone had anymore info. Feel free DM my inbox or just post right here. https://www.seeking.com/member/885a3...6-1f1d8401b7d1.

**Madaboutmax** · 01-22-19 14:37

There is a very wide range of people that consider themselves submissive. Everything from just wanting somebody to take control to spanking, choking, gagging, pulling hair amd slapping to ball gags, hand-cuffs, restraints, suspension ropes, whips, clamps and chains.

I've found most women on SA to be submissive in some way. Some are curious and want to learn while others are experienced and have specific expectations. Some are submissive only sexually while others go to the slave / master extreme.

Most of the women on SA are pretty tame compared to women on FetLife.

I think you need to get an understanding of what submissive means to them and your ability (and interest) to provide that.

Originally Posted by RappaHannock [View Original Post]

Chatting with this girl on SA. She describes herself as submissive. Interested in hearing if any of you have had experiences with submissives. PM me for more details. Thanks.

**RVASpider** · 01-22-19 12:23

Originally Posted by BStreet [View Original Post]

Grey I had a meet setup or I thought for drinks, but she ended up ghosting, Julez I haven't had any contact with yet but she looks way hot and seems willing to travel. [qQUOTE=RVASpider;4115977]I would be interested in hearing what you find out about Grey and Julez. I messaged Grey a few times back and forth but then nothing for a while. Julez is from out of town but comes to Richmond a bunch. She talks a ton about meeting up when she's in Richmond but haven't been able to set something up. I think she ends up finding someone who is willing to pay more to hang out with her than me but I've got plenty of others that I don't pursue her too hard.

[ / QUOTE].

Let me know how it goes with Julez. We can't get our schedules to work out but I also wonder if she really comes to Richmond.

**RappaHannock** · 01-22-19 12:13

Chatting with this girl on SA. She describes herself as submissive. Interested in hearing if any of you have had experiences with submissives. PM me for more details. Thanks.

**BStreet** · 01-21-19 23:17

Grey I had a meet setup or I thought for drinks, but she ended up ghosting, Julez I haven't had any contact with yet but she looks way hot and seems willing to travel. [qQUOTE=RVASpider;4115977]I would be interested in hearing what you find out about Grey and Julez. I messaged Grey a few times back and forth but then nothing for a while. Julez is from out of town but comes to Richmond a bunch. She talks a ton about meeting up when she's in Richmond but haven't been able to set something up. I think she ends up finding someone who is willing to pay more to hang out with her than me but I've got plenty of others that I don't pursue her too hard. [ / QUOTE].

**Walruscl** · 01-20-19 17:41

Originally Posted by PartyTimeGuy [View Original Post]

It is my experience that millennials and post-millennials just flat out prefer to text rather than talk on the phone. Many of them don't even have or use voice mail. So, if you do get them to talk on the phone, you definitely know they are serious and for real.

This is even true after you've landed the deal. My current LTSB will occasionally get on the phone with me, for example to work through some logistic that is faster to do in real time. A few times it was because she was on a long car drive. But even then, I notice that the calls almost never go longer than 20 minutes. In fact, they all eerily gravitate to that number: never longer, rarely shorter.

**PartyTimeGuy** · 01-20-19 17:12

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

We've all spent a lot of time messaging w / girls, on the site and by text, and even planning on meeting. Of course, all of us have also been flaked on when we thought we had a done deal to M&G. What I have found recently is that a lot of girls message freely, and even provocatively, but if I ask to have a phone call w / them, they go silent. Obviously, if they won't talk to me by phone, they are very unlikely to meet. So, I am using this as a filter, it should save some effort. You don't have to rule them out, perhaps they may come around some day, but just shoot them a text like 'Do you have privacy for a call?' and see what comes back.

It is my experience that millennials and post-millennials just flat out prefer to text rather than talk on the phone. Many of them don't even have or use voice mail. So, if you do get them to talk on the phone, you definitely know they are serious and for real.

**RVASpider** · 01-20-19 11:16

Originally Posted by BStreet [View Original Post]

Little Miss Grey https://www.seeking.com/member/203ae...8-a8109ac4a47a.

Sexy sparrow: https://www.seeking.com/member/ba786...6-0b21e33391d2.

Blondredxhead: https://www.seeking.com/member/3af7a...c-e789c33dbe5c.

Julezforev: https://www.seeking.com/member/0fa27...e-b619e3bd1220.

Thanks if you do!

I would be interested in hearing what you find out about Grey and Julez. I messaged Grey a few times back and forth but then nothing for a while. Julez is from out of town but comes to Richmond a bunch. She talks a ton about meeting up when she's in Richmond but haven't been able to set something up. I think she ends up finding someone who is willing to pay more to hang out with her than me but I've got plenty of others that I don't pursue her too hard.

**EasyBran** · 01-20-19 00:34

Never thought of the using the debugging tools like that. Ofc. I'm not a web developer like you.

Originally Posted by Zcochran00 [View Original Post]

I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps!