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[EngrGuy]

Here is just a general question.

You see a lot of ladys that are on eros and what not that require a persons legal name, place of work personal phone etc. I get it as they are going to be spending time with someone they do not yet know. But do guys really provide that info? That info was why I never finished the p411 after my 6 month free membership elapsed. Anyone have thoughts?

[Benz1]

Out of curiosity, how did he know the price for all the nooks & crannies before he got there? I ask because I agree with what you said here:

He asked me a lot of questions, he was very surprised I had answers. I reminded him over and over that massage parlors charge you more and you get less. He didn't like seeing Tina the RedHot RedHead at her Notel he became very paranoid , his first experience was not good, way too nervous, couldn't get it up for the full half hour.
I don't know why he was so nervous, he had plenty of help getting there, I drove him. ( I didn't even tell him the provider was a friend of his daughters on FB LOL) I'm still confused, She was hot and liked him very much. Tina felt bad about the date too.
At that point He knew his only hobby option was Massage Parlors and only two had good parking for him to hide his vehicle. I told him what to expect for regular rates and the upcharge rates too. He was looking for GFE at a parlor with a hot girl. He expected to pay more, when he found the right one he offered the extra to make sure she offered GFE and body slides.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I believe there are a lot more of these guys out there that will not buy a hobby phone and float around to the parlors hoping to get what they want. We seem to be the minority, Looking at the report of current active users.

Currently Active Users (December 31 1:15 pm.)

There are currently 2238 users online. 588 members and 1650 guests.

Most users ever online was 6,543,05-29-18 at 12:24.

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[Charlie441]

I totally agree, It can't be called an upsell or GPS if the client knows the cost of everything going into the appointment.

I agree by logic, it can't be an upsell once you do know Everything already and it remains the same. An upsell requires a price (or assumed price) for basics before cumming in, but then up-selling for extras after you're settled in (usually applied when extras are above an assumed market value). Up-selling doesn't necessarily mean GPS if it's in-line with a very understandable market value. GPS is just about attitude / persona, notably when the prices are higher than normal. Usually they're not GPS if the client already knows the cost of everything going into the appointment. However, they still Can be GPS based on their ad, as seen in a few of them.

There's a difference between I don't really do X / why / Z, butt, if you really wanted it, I guess I could but it'd cost you a lot VS trying to sell you on X / why / Z at a Clearly above market price, with an I-deserve-I-deserve mentality (GPS).

In my opinion my friend is still being ripped off but it is not an upsell to him, he knows the price before he gets there.

Out of curiosity, how did he know the price for all the nooks & crannies before he got there? I ask because I agree with what you said here:

Most providers are not willing to discuss anything before we are naked on the table, smart legal move on their part. So here we are with dick in hand discussing options, we should be playing not negotiating Safety is their main concern and they're very nervous on first appointments.

I agree. That's where upsells mainly occur, but as you point out, not necessarily. As with your friend, he had everything laid out to him on the phone, I'm assuming. Technically though, he very well could have been facing upsells via text with the gal, before meeting her, to eliminate any upselling once he did get there in person. Nothing wrong with technically 'upselling' when you're technically inquiring about extra services to be sold. But we tend to use the term to apply to above-expected quotes when in a negotiative situation, or assumptions that X would be already included, but they want an extra fee for it.

GPS on the other hand is all about a (negative) attitude, which upselling can certainly reflect. But one could even upsell way high but not have GPS, with an understandable explanation & attitude (I don't like taking my bottom off vs other girls; but if you Really want to I can, if you're willing to pay $100 after paying me $20 extra to be just in my panties!

As for Wynter, you are right, our community does matter to her and she does care about what people think or she wouldn't be offering Johnsolo is free visit. She told me today, she's looking forward to making right.

That is good. And hopefully it's not to merely appease an individual who reported that others can see, but to also put one's mentality in a more proper perspective in relation to their mentality about doing their stuff. Everyone's a winner, then. I'll give Wynter the benefit of the doubt that she has at least a bit of a better perspective for the long-run, and I do believe you that she can be a cool gal.

[Wolverines]

Use Google's incognito browsing. It is built into Chrome. When using Google Incognito window your searches won't appear in your browser history or search history. Incognito is also included in the Google chrome app for your phone.

For those that don't use Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer also have this feature.

Most of us have to cover our tracks using hobby phones and phone apps.

Plus we need to delete our Google searches from our devices too. I log into this site using my fake FB page so there is not a Google search history on my real phone.
Just log out of my real FB, log in on my hobby FB, go to a page I created with all the links I need stored on it and open them, opening a link does not create a search history.
There have been times that my search history would not clear this or other sites off. I still have to delete Google history that's very easy and always clears everything off.

[Benz1]

Most of us have to cover our tracks using hobby phones and phone apps.

Plus we need to delete our Google searches from our devices too. I log into this site using my fake FB page so there is not a Google search history on my real phone.
Just log out of my real FB, log in on my hobby FB, go to a page I created with all the links I need stored on it and open them, opening a link does not create a search history.
There have been times that my search history would not clear this or other sites off. I still have to delete Google history that's very easy and always clears everything off.

[Benz1]

My Tracfone came from Dollar General and works fine for texts, is a pos for voice calls so maybe I will have to change it out. I have been buying the 3 month $20 service plan there too with cash.

Benz. What service provider is the Speedway deal? Tracfone?

Yes, TracFone.

Pick the card off the rack that has about 6 multiple options one is a text for 5 bucks 1000 texts. Bring it to the cashier , they scan the option you want. You have tohave an active phone for it to work. To keep it active I buy a 20 dollar data card every 3 months allows talk minutes and data too.
I recently bought the latest upgrade for tracfone smart phone. The last one sucked. It was 29 plus buy the card for 20 now I have data talk and text. Can buy more text at 5 bucks for 1k texts at speedway.
When you upgrade the phone it will transfer all info including your existing talk time text and data to the new phone using the same number. Easy service up. Nice phone

[TokyoDawson]

My original purchase of the phone at Dollar general is on my way to work........
I buy all my text / minutes from speedway. 1000 texts for 5 bucks. Yes 1 k for 5.....

My Tracfone came from Dollar General and works fine for texts, is a pos for voice calls so maybe I will have to change it out. I have been buying the 3 month $20 service plan there too with cash.

Benz. What service provider is the Speedway deal? Tracfone?

[Benz1]

I tried a phone app on my real phone for about 2 sec. When it asked to allow access to my data and files. Dumped it fast.

I put a phone app on my burner phone and don't mind it accessing file and data info from my burner phone.

[Wolverines]

If you have a wife I would avoid the phone apps. Even if you uninstall the phone app each time there is a history of uninstalled apps with Android phones via Google Play(not sure about Apple). I assume a wife would have access to that. Not sure if you can delete that history. Just too much could go wrong with phone apps and married dudes. Burner phone is the way to go but if your wife ever finds it you will have lots of splainin to do lucy.

If you are not married a phone app is fine. That is what I use. But something to keep in mind is that phone apps are tied to your actual phone number. If a serious crime occurred the phone app company could be presented with a subpoena to give up the actual phone number. Maybe the provider you saw was murdered (god forbid) or involved with some sort of terrorism. In either of those cases they will want to know who is behind every phone number found on her phone. These are some extreme cases and not likely. But just showing there is some risk with burner apps.

For the most paranoid among us the safest method is a burner phone that is paid for with cash and the minutes are paid for with cash. Better to buy these at a gas station than say a meijer as the gas station is likely to not keep their security video as long as a meijers (Benz mentioned buying his phone at dollar general, that would be a good place to buy a phone). And make sure location is turned off on the phone. To take it a step further make sure the phone is turned off when not in use. Only turn it on when you are setting up an appointment with a provider. Better yet, if possible, pull the battery when not using the phone. Again, this is only for the most paranoid.

If you want to take your paranoia beyond the phone, get yourself a VPN. I use one. They are cheap.

Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.

A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.

App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.

When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.

Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.

[Benz1]

Here is where a problem with that lies.

If many of you are like me, a married w / children, you may have a couple of other iphone, ipads, ipods around. And when one device with your apple I'd downloads an app, it downloads to all of those devices. So the ipad that your son or daughter may use, when your wife picks it up to do something for the kids on it she sees the burner app, and likely every call and text you've made.

None of us are the perfect monger. The likelihood of a guy remembering to delete everything 100% of the time just isn't too realistic.

But it probably is time for a hobby phone kept locked away at work.

It's just so easy to be tracked and traced by all these devices now.

In all reality, if you're anything like me you and your wife may also have shared banking info, and who says that someone with a real desire to find out what you're buying every month from the dollar general for $20 can't be found out by a wife who has more time on her hands to keep track of you than she has to do housework?

Also as I expressed none of us remember everything 100% of the time. There have been times when I have caught my wife going through my car un-crumbling receipts to see what was purchased.

Suppose that's part of the fun, the risk.

My original purchase of the phone at Dollar general is on my way to work. After you register it and everything thing is working, throw everything away.

I buy all my text / minutes from speedway. 1000 texts for 5 bucks. Yes 1 k for 5.

My first HP I didn't give a name during registration, it prompt me 4 times then bypassed it and I completed the registration with no name. The 2nd phone I registered with my hobby FB name. If ever found by the wrong person it is not my phone it's Benz phone, my friend at work. He must have dropped it in the parking lot, I'll give it to him at work tomorrow.

[HollandGuy73]

Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.

A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.

App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.

When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.

Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.

Here is where a problem with that lies.

If many of you are like me, a married w / children, you may have a couple of other iphone, ipads, ipods around. And when one device with your apple I'd downloads an app, it downloads to all of those devices. So the ipad that your son or daughter may use, when your wife picks it up to do something for the kids on it she sees the burner app, and likely every call and text you've made.

None of us are the perfect monger. The likelihood of a guy remembering to delete everything 100% of the time just isn't too realistic.

But it probably is time for a hobby phone kept locked away at work.

It's just so easy to be tracked and traced by all these devices now.

In all reality, if you're anything like me you and your wife may also have shared banking info, and who says that someone with a real desire to find out what you're buying every month from the dollar general for $20 can't be found out by a wife who has more time on her hands to keep track of you than she has to do housework?

Also as I expressed none of us remember everything 100% of the time. There have been times when I have caught my wife going through my car un-crumbling receipts to see what was purchased.

Suppose that's part of the fun, the risk.

[JMaul]

I've had 3 different hobby phones upgraded each time. Personally, I wouldn't use a phone app. There might tracking on my real phone for text and data (my location is always turned off) Wife has tracked my phone usage before and might again.

If you don't want to risk keeping a hobby phone, try using the USA PM to set appointments with providers that are advertising on www.usaadultclassifieds.nl Most can be contacted through USA Pm.

Maybe I am naive on this subject, not a smartphone expert.

A google voice number tied to a google burner email if free.

App is free, download, login and send your texts. Don't ever connect to your actual phone number. I seldom find girls who won't do all communication over text.

When you're done with the session, delete the app. Then nothing shows up for usage that can be tracked.

Does it work like that? If it does, you have a free option without another phone to hide.

[Benz1]

Get a hobby phone. $20 ATT at walgreens and $30 a month unlimited.
There are cheaper options even (Benz?
I keep mine at work. Its off until I'm seeking a date.
I keep a ton of stuff in my trunk so if I don't return to work after a date I bury it deep under stuff in the car trunk. Again its off so no ringing. I leave it set on vibrate too.

Mine is a ZTE smart TracFone from Dollar general.
Comes with FB already loaded
It has enough room to load talk text apps on it too. Convenient for free WiFi communication and negotiation with a provider you plan to call using your real hobby phone number offering her 10 more than the terrible offer you made with your WiFi app. They usually respond to the 10 higher. Lol
My hobby phone will not post a pic on this site
I also have a hobby Laptop at work, for storing pics and posting them on USA. Life in the hobby is good.

[Monger01]

Get a hobby phone. $20 ATT at walgreens and $30 a month unlimited.
There are cheaper options even (Benz?
I keep mine at work. Its off until I'm seeking a date.
I keep a ton of stuff in my trunk so if I don't return to work after a date I bury it deep under stuff in the car trunk. Again its off so no ringing. I leave it set on vibrate too.

So in the last couple of years my ability to enjoy the hobby have been hindered by a couple of things. Firstly, I am no longer self employed, which means my phone and safe place to arrange dreams with are gone.

Compound that with my wife, who has access to all my cell history, texts, calls etc.

I do not have a hobby phone, and not sure that will be a good idea for me, since I really have no safe place to keep it.

So my issue is that most providers want to text, and I just can't.

I have tried emailing from a hobby address, but to no avail.

In the past I had a couple girls in the Holland area who would use email, but both of them are gone, on state funded vacations I'm guessing.

Any guys out there with advice?

[Benz1]

And it possible take the battery out when not in use and put that elsewhere.

I've had 3 different hobby phones upgraded each time. Personally, I wouldn't use a phone app. There might tracking on my real phone for text and data (my location is always turned off) Wife has tracked my phone usage before and might again.

If you don't want to risk keeping a hobby phone, try using the USA PM to set appointments with providers that are advertising on www.usaadultclassifieds.nl Most can be contacted through USA Pm.