"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[DogBert77]

Thanks for the tips, JZ! I have to admit the online "spidey sense" and online game are still a work in progress for me. Still, I feel that for a beginner, my batting average is great, and I am willing to put in the practice to get better!

With the tranny meet and greet, yes, I did stay calm. Was I pissed? Sure. But I just wanted to get out of there. I would have been a lot more pissed if I had gone out of my way to meet them or incurred expense.

With the "freshman 15" girl, it was a lot more complicated. She was actually a sweet girl, she just looked a lot less attractive than in her pics. I ended up buying her lunch while I thought about it. She was just 18 and very naive in an appealing way. If I had never seen her hot pics, I might have been willing to bang her in her chubby state. But having seen what she looked like before, I just couldn't get past it.

Both situations could have been avoided by asking them to send me a picture holding up a certain number of fingers, or a piece of paper with my username written on it or something. That is a common suggestion I have seen on this forum.

[JZLizard]

This is my first post, and I would like to first thank JZLizard and all the bros on here for the invaluable education. The advice on here helped save me lots of wasted time and money. I have been on SA for about four months, so compared to some of the guys on here, I am a total newbie, but I can say that it works!

I have been married for many years, so my game was pretty rusty. But I've basically been batting 1000 on SA. I have only done two meet and greets that didn't lead to the FC, most of them on first meeting, the rest on the second. The two that didn't go anywhere were my choice. One was a transsexual who had posted someone else's photos. I had arranged a coffee meet at a time and place that was convenient for me, and they actually bought their own coffee. So I was out no money and little time, although the encounter did sort of ruin my day. The other one was a college freshman who had gained the "freshman 15" or maybe the "freshman 25" since her photos were taken so I just didn't want to bother.

I have taken nine SB's to the FC, three of them multiple times. There could have been lots more with more time and money. I am 58, the youngest SB's were 19 (two of those), the oldest one was 27. (So far, the 18 year old unicorn has eluded me, but I'm not complaining.) All nice looking girls and some of them incredibly hot. The worst sex I've had was still great, and the best was up there with the best experiences of my life, and there have been a lot.

The most amazing thing to me is that out of nine girls who have been to the FC, six of them did not set a price or talk about money at all first. Unbelievable! I suppose I could have stiffed them (after giving them my stiffie) but I have never done that. I always slipped cash into their purse or something afterwards. I know what I am paying is on the low end of the range for my area, and yet most of them are happy to come back for more. (One girl did send me a nastygram text afterwards complaining about the amount, but not before I had spent a memorable afternoon enjoying her undivided attention and a body that was at least a 9. 5.) The three who did bring up money first all accepted my offer without negotiation. Right now I am seeing two of the best of the nine on a fairly regular basis, while I continue to scout for new talent. My standards for new talent have gotten pretty high.

I would rate myself as looking average for my age. I used to be pretty good looking, but years have taken their toll. I go to the gym regularly and am more fit than average for my age. I feel my game online is weak. The whole internet dating thing, and even the texting thing, came along after my time. However, I think my game in person is tops. In my view, the cash is sort of ancillary. The girls need it, and I am happy to provide it. But the SB's I like are regular college girls, not pros, and its not simply a matter of paying them. You need to talk your way into their pants. This is something I've done my whole life, and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if I can do it, most anyone can.

Many have complained here about the investment of time required, and in my experience it does take a lot time. My response percentage is tiny. But, my God, it is time spent searching out pretty young girls online, comparing their photos and deciding which girls are the choicest, and flirting with them, first online and then in person. Is that "work"? Not in my view. It's an enjoyable hobby in itself. Of course, its made more enjoyable with the anticipation of eventually seeing them on their knees sucking my dick and the knowledge that enough of them will. The sex with these girls is incomparably better than with pros and makes it all worthwhile. I've had lots of hobbies, and have spent plenty on them over the years. This hobby has given my far more pleasure than any of them.

So yeah, there are all manner of girls on SA. Tons of garden variety pros. Lot of gold diggers. A surprising number of girls who seem to view it as "just a dating site. " Some of them actually claim to be "marriage-minded. " You can find just about any kind of girl you want on there and plenty you don't want. Lots of them I wouldn't fuck with your dick. But my God, there are some real gems among them, and some of them can be persuaded to give you anything you want, just the way you want it, and seem delighted to do so! I swear I feel like I'm acting in a porn film sometimes.

Welcome, and I did want to say that if you stayed calmly at the table with the tranny that brought his own coffee, and wrapped that meet up politely, your patience for cat fishing is greater than mine will ever be. I guess I've been lucky that nothing like that has never happened in my M&Gs. I suspect the reason it hasn't might have something to do with the amount of online dating experience I had before the SD sites even came along. Dating sites came about around the same time I was divorcing my ex, and I watched them evolve from when a lot of women were apprehensive about meeting a stranger they met online in person, to an extremely common method of dating. I did get cat fished a few times during online civy dating, but so far it has never happened from an SD site (knock on wood), and while I did have one POT that was less attractive in person than her photos, it is usually actually the other way around with my meets (the photos don't do justice).

One reason might be that my instincts or process of elimination skills were well-developed from lots of civy online dating experiences. Some of the potential catfish or general photo-related warning signs I lookout for:

1. Many pics, but all taken from the same camera angle or the same circumstances -- often an indication of hiding something.

2. Little to no pics of butt / hips / legs, or all pics taken while they are standing to the side (kardashian-like centaur-bodies where their hips are disproportional can't be identified as well from side pics, but then again some guys like or even prefer centaur-bodied girls).

3. "Modified" pics (I. E. Snapchat) are understandable for public photos, but if she cannot provide pics privately that are unmodified, she is suspect.

4. Lighting of photo too soft (potentially using filters to hide skin problems).

5. Stripper photos -- not necessarily a warning sign but it puts me on alert for certain things. I'm a big fan of strippers and some of my best SBs were girls I met at a strip club, but I have found that employed strippers who join SD sites are a different game. They have experience extracting money from men, so some of them are hoping to tap into what they see as the "premium" market. My advice for guys who like strippers is to find them in strip clubs. Getting the one you want can be challenging, but I actually enjoy that challenge. Best part about in-person stripper hunting is you get to see what you're getting, almost fully naked even, before deciding if you want to proceed. Notice I said "stripper photos" though. If you meet an SB who happens to be a dancer, but is not using "stripper photos" to market herself online, she might be more likely to be capable of the "true" SB experience.

6. Original join date is not recent -- not necessarily a problem but I would confirm she is sending recent pics, she might have joined SA 4 years ago and already had two kids since, or became a consumer of junk food, etc.

Then there are non-visual warning signs that come from interactions with them, which some of my prior posts have delved into. It's a bit harder to make a useful list of these, because of course dialog and behavior is more complex to assess and harder to catalog than visuals in a photo.

[Madaboutmax]

I've had 4 arrangements that each lasted more than a year. Money was never discussed prior to first meet. We met the first time with no expectation of money or intimacy.

In each case, the chemistry and attraction was so strong we couldn't keep our hands off of each other and we had intimacy (mulitple times) that same night.

Even though we never discussed allowance, I slipped $'s in their pockey or purse before they left.

I still am in contact and remain friends with all of them.

I am not actually in the Richmond area. My area is much more expensive, so I didn't post any numbers and I won't be of use for referrals. I posted on the Richmond board because you guys seem to have the most active discussion of SB's and SA of any city in the country. Although details and prices will vary in different cities, there is a lot about the girls that I think won't change.

One thing I didn't mention in my previous post. I never negotiate or even discuss prices online. I now that is different from the preference of a lot of guys on here so I think it's worth mentioning. If a girl asks how much online, or quotes me a price, I pretty much cross them off my list. Sometimes I will keep talking to them online just for price research. A lot of girls I just tell, very nicely, that they are out my budget, but I don't counter offer. Quite a few of those end up negotiating against themselves and drop their ask, which I find amusing. I may eventually be tempted to hit one of those, but it hasn't happened yet.

To me, a true SB, or at least a SB that I want, is one that I can penetrate without talking price first.

[DogBert77]

Great first post! I agree that there are gems but definitely a ton that I wouldn't touch. I'm not on the site to fuck every girl I can although it's been an incredible year for me. A few bad ones, a ton of good ones, and plenty of amazing experiences with girls who are absolutely beautiful. Are you in the Richmond area?

I am not actually in the Richmond area. My area is much more expensive, so I didn't post any numbers and I won't be of use for referrals. I posted on the Richmond board because you guys seem to have the most active discussion of SB's and SA of any city in the country. Although details and prices will vary in different cities, there is a lot about the girls that I think won't change.

One thing I didn't mention in my previous post. I never negotiate or even discuss prices online. I now that is different from the preference of a lot of guys on here so I think it's worth mentioning. If a girl asks how much online, or quotes me a price, I pretty much cross them off my list. Sometimes I will keep talking to them online just for price research. A lot of girls I just tell, very nicely, that they are out my budget, but I don't counter offer. Quite a few of those end up negotiating against themselves and drop their ask, which I find amusing. I may eventually be tempted to hit one of those, but it hasn't happened yet.

To me, a true SB, or at least a SB that I want, is one that I can penetrate without talking price first.

[RVASpider]

This is my first post, and I would like to first thank JZLizard and all the bros on here for the invaluable education. The advice on here helped save me lots of wasted time and money. I have been on SA for about four months, so compared to some of the guys on here, I am a total newbie, but I can say that it works!

I have been married for many years, so my game was pretty rusty. But I've basically been batting 1000 on SA. I have only done two meet and greets that didn't lead to the FC, most of them on first meeting, the rest on the second. The two that didn't go anywhere were my choice. One was a transsexual who had posted someone else's photos. I had arranged a coffee meet at a time and place that was convenient for me, and they actually bought their own coffee. So I was out no money and little time, although the encounter did sort of ruin my day. The other one was a college freshman who had gained the "freshman 15" or maybe the "freshman 25" since her photos were taken so I just didn't want to bother.

I have taken nine SB's to the FC, three of them multiple times. There could have been lots more with more time and money. I am 58, the youngest SB's were 19 (two of those), the oldest one was 27. (So far, the 18 year old unicorn has eluded me, but I'm not complaining.) All nice looking girls and some of them incredibly hot. The worst sex I've had was still great, and the best was up there with the best experiences of my life, and there have been a lot.

The most amazing thing to me is that out of nine girls who have been to the FC, six of them did not set a price or talk about money at all first. Unbelievable! I suppose I could have stiffed them (after giving them my stiffie) but I have never done that. I always slipped cash into their purse or something afterwards. I know what I am paying is on the low end of the range for my area, and yet most of them are happy to come back for more. (One girl did send me a nastygram text afterwards complaining about the amount, but not before I had spent a memorable afternoon enjoying her undivided attention and a body that was at least a 9. 5.) The three who did bring up money first all accepted my offer without negotiation. Right now I am seeing two of the best of the nine on a fairly regular basis, while I continue to scout for new talent. My standards for new talent have gotten pretty high.

I would rate myself as looking average for my age. I used to be pretty good looking, but years have taken their toll. I go to the gym regularly and am more fit than average for my age. I feel my game online is weak. The whole internet dating thing, and even the texting thing, came along after my time. However, I think my game in person is tops. In my view, the cash is sort of ancillary. The girls need it, and I am happy to provide it. But the SB's I like are regular college girls, not pros, and its not simply a matter of paying them. You need to talk your way into their pants. This is something I've done my whole life, and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if I can do it, most anyone can.

Many have complained here about the investment of time required, and in my experience it does take a lot time. My response percentage is tiny. But, my God, it is time spent searching out pretty young girls online, comparing their photos and deciding which girls are the choicest, and flirting with them, first online and then in person. Is that "work"? Not in my view. It's an enjoyable hobby in itself. Of course, its made more enjoyable with the anticipation of eventually seeing them on their knees sucking my dick and the knowledge that enough of them will. The sex with these girls is incomparably better than with pros and makes it all worthwhile. I've had lots of hobbies, and have spent plenty on them over the years. This hobby has given my far more pleasure than any of them.

So yeah, there are all manner of girls on SA. Tons of garden variety pros. Lot of gold diggers. A surprising number of girls who seem to view it as "just a dating site. " Some of them actually claim to be "marriage-minded. " You can find just about any kind of girl you want on there and plenty you don't want. Lots of them I wouldn't fuck with your dick. But my God, there are some real gems among them, and some of them can be persuaded to give you anything you want, just the way you want it, and seem delighted to do so! I swear I feel like I'm acting in a porn film sometimes.

Viva SA!

Great first post! I agree that there are gems but definitely a ton that I wouldn't touch. I'm not on the site to fuck every girl I can although it's been an incredible year for me. A few bad ones, a ton of good ones, and plenty of amazing experiences with girls who are absolutely beautiful. Are you in the Richmond area?

[DogBert77]

Guys with lots of game find it very hard to believe that any SD would give a girl thousands per month in cash and gifts (but they are out there). Guys without game who haven't had much luck getting pussy without paying for it, believe that all SBs are hookers.

The reality of it is that the range of personalities and human behaviors is beyond the comprehension of most people.

The reality is that the spectrum of SBs can run the gamut from full-on escorts at one side of the extreme, to girls with very little sexual experience at the other end of the extreme. Anyone who doesn't understand that is not experienced enough in the lifestyle for their opinions to be taken seriously on any level.

This is my first post, and I would like to first thank JZLizard and all the bros on here for the invaluable education. The advice on here helped save me lots of wasted time and money. I have been on SA for about four months, so compared to some of the guys on here, I am a total newbie, but I can say that it works!

I have been married for many years, so my game was pretty rusty. But I've basically been batting 1000 on SA. I have only done two meet and greets that didn't lead to the FC, most of them on first meeting, the rest on the second. The two that didn't go anywhere were my choice. One was a transsexual who had posted someone else's photos. I had arranged a coffee meet at a time and place that was convenient for me, and they actually bought their own coffee. So I was out no money and little time, although the encounter did sort of ruin my day. The other one was a college freshman who had gained the "freshman 15" or maybe the "freshman 25" since her photos were taken so I just didn't want to bother.

I have taken nine SB's to the FC, three of them multiple times. There could have been lots more with more time and money. I am 58, the youngest SB's were 19 (two of those), the oldest one was 27. (So far, the 18 year old unicorn has eluded me, but I'm not complaining.) All nice looking girls and some of them incredibly hot. The worst sex I've had was still great, and the best was up there with the best experiences of my life, and there have been a lot.

The most amazing thing to me is that out of nine girls who have been to the FC, six of them did not set a price or talk about money at all first. Unbelievable! I suppose I could have stiffed them (after giving them my stiffie) but I have never done that. I always slipped cash into their purse or something afterwards. I know what I am paying is on the low end of the range for my area, and yet most of them are happy to come back for more. (One girl did send me a nastygram text afterwards complaining about the amount, but not before I had spent a memorable afternoon enjoying her undivided attention and a body that was at least a 9. 5.) The three who did bring up money first all accepted my offer without negotiation. Right now I am seeing two of the best of the nine on a fairly regular basis, while I continue to scout for new talent. My standards for new talent have gotten pretty high.

I would rate myself as looking average for my age. I used to be pretty good looking, but years have taken their toll. I go to the gym regularly and am more fit than average for my age. I feel my game online is weak. The whole internet dating thing, and even the texting thing, came along after my time. However, I think my game in person is tops. In my view, the cash is sort of ancillary. The girls need it, and I am happy to provide it. But the SB's I like are regular college girls, not pros, and its not simply a matter of paying them. You need to talk your way into their pants. This is something I've done my whole life, and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if I can do it, most anyone can.

Many have complained here about the investment of time required, and in my experience it does take a lot time. My response percentage is tiny. But, my God, it is time spent searching out pretty young girls online, comparing their photos and deciding which girls are the choicest, and flirting with them, first online and then in person. Is that "work"? Not in my view. It's an enjoyable hobby in itself. Of course, its made more enjoyable with the anticipation of eventually seeing them on their knees sucking my dick and the knowledge that enough of them will. The sex with these girls is incomparably better than with pros and makes it all worthwhile. I've had lots of hobbies, and have spent plenty on them over the years. This hobby has given my far more pleasure than any of them.

So yeah, there are all manner of girls on SA. Tons of garden variety pros. Lot of gold diggers. A surprising number of girls who seem to view it as "just a dating site. " Some of them actually claim to be "marriage-minded. " You can find just about any kind of girl you want on there and plenty you don't want. Lots of them I wouldn't fuck with your dick. But my God, there are some real gems among them, and some of them can be persuaded to give you anything you want, just the way you want it, and seem delighted to do so! I swear I feel like I'm acting in a porn film sometimes.

Viva SA!

[BigTigger]

Using the SA App, if they swipe right, it will fav you without them looking at your profile.

I have a person who favorited me with out actually viewing me. Is that possible?

[JZLizard]

I don't assume all women in the bowl are scammers, rinsers, have GPS or are Pros but I know many of them are. I've learned how to filter them out. That education was gained thru experience and some expensive mistakes. Reading this forum has helped me shorten that education process. If I get taken now, I blame myself for not recognizing the Red flags.

Any girl that talks about "knowing my worth" is an immediate red flag for me.

I agree, I don't like to see "I know my worth" either -- I rarely even contact them when I see that. I think it takes experience in the bowl to understand what parts of the girls profile should be ignored, and what part should be considered an important clue.

For example, if they talk about platonic intentions / not in it for sex, etc... they really mean "unless I'm attracted to you". But, if they start describing themselves as sassy, bitchy, demanding etc. Then almost without fail it turns out to be true, and it's not something that is easily overcome, so adjectives like those should be taken under instant consideration.

[JZLizard]

Educate yourself about this ladies and watch what they think of men and how you are being use because you are being use or you willing to be go to youtube type sugardady tecnics or tips".

"Blanket thinking" is universally reached for first because it's human nature. It is easy to assume that the boundaries of life are confined to our own personal experiences, and it is much harder to widen our understanding to fully take into consideration the experiences of others. This is what leads to the symptoms of narrow-minded people, who believe people are very easily categorized (I. E. All SBs are this or that).

Guys with lots of game find it very hard to believe that any SD would give a girl thousands per month in cash and gifts (but they are out there). Guys without game who haven't had much luck getting pussy without paying for it, believe that all SBs are hookers.

The reality of it is that the range of personalities and human behaviors is beyond the comprehension of most people.

I think this syndrome has actually been made worse by the Internet, because now, the average person with the average IQ believes that all facts about life show up in the first couple of pages of a Google search on any given topic. They do not even take into consideration the fact that Google is fundamentally a marketing company, not an information company. This means that what shows up in Google, Youtube, etc. Search results is based on an algorithm which will always be maximized to support Google's business model. It is not optimized to produce the most valuable information.

Ergo, because it's the first to show up in search results does not necessarily mean it is the most correct representation of the truth.

The reality is that the spectrum of SBs can run the gamut from full-on escorts at one side of the extreme, to girls with very little sexual experience at the other end of the extreme. Anyone who doesn't understand that is not experienced enough in the lifestyle for their opinions to be taken seriously on any level.

They are simply content to believe what they want to believe; and it's a case of arrested development that they are unlikely to ever be able to move past. They will never learn the truth because they've already confined themselves to what they believe they already know. They have one foot nailed to the floor and are running around in circles complaining about their condition, when they are the ones who drove the nail themselves. Whether their unfortunate condition is "Nature vs. Nurture", genetics versus experience, I don't know, but until they grow a pair of balls and take the initiative to recognize and change their own misfortune, they are sentenced to a lifetime of never getting pussy unless they pay for it.

When you're fishing in the waters of multiple large metros across multiple states, and the total population of all CSAs that you can select girls from is in the 10-20 million range, you get a much clearer overall picture than SDs who are casting lines only in their own hometown or area and basing their opinions on a much smaller sample size.

My personal observation is that the SB population, without a doubt, has a relative high ratio of gold-diggers compared to other forms of dating. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that you see lots of YouTuber SBs talking shit.

People post YouTube videos as a source of income and post as much click-bait as possible to increase their bounty. This means that the other side of the lifestyle, which is girls that are in it for non-monetary reasons (daddy issues, sexual preference for older men, etc) are not sitting around making YouTube videos about why they do what they do -- there's nothing to be gained from it unless you're in it for ad-click money, and have a lot of free time on your hands (i.e. because you're escorting or are just not getting called on dates from top-shelf SDs).

For this reason, YouTube is absolutely NOT the best place to "educate ourselves" on how the sugar lifestyle really works; far from it. That's not to say the content shouldn't be viewed or considered... I do consider it, but only as entertainment.

[Madaboutmax]

I don't assume all women in the bowl are scammers, rinsers, have GPS or are Pros but I know many of them are. I've learned how to filter them out. That education was gained thru experience and some expensive mistakes. Reading this forum has helped me shorten that education process. If I get taken now, I blame myself for not recognizing the Red flags.

Any girl that talks about "knowing my worth" is an immediate red flag for me.

Educate yourself about this ladies and watch what they think of men and how you are being use because you are being use or you willing to be go to youtube type sugardady tecnics or tips".

[TheMarto1]

Educate yourself about this ladies and watch what they think of men and how you are being use because you are being use or you willing to be go to youtube type sugardady tecnics or tips".

[Passport4]

Z,

Thanks for this! I can also attest that it works. Is there a way to use the same procedure, or a variation, to suss out the SB's email or contact info? I see that all my dirty laundry is on display, but not hers. If you could poke around a bit more and see what else you can find, I'm pretty sure we would elect you to the SD Clubhouse All-Time Hall of Fame!

Waiting with bated breath.

Scott.

I too can attest that this works, but my experience is that as a no longer current paying member, that the only messages I receive with either a phone number or an email is either from a scammer or a working girl. I too would love to know how to access more as this has been basically a tease. I have received some interesting messages, but that is as far as it can be taken without ponying up to the bar again.

[CandyMan555]

Now that my game is leveled up a bit, I've branched out a bit into civvie dating. I've got this poly woman almost on the hook, who has a serious Daddy-Dom / Little-Girl thing going on. But holy crap, getting her over the threshold makes SA look like a walk in the park. Good practice I guess, and less $$, but just, wow.

What civie sites are worth looking into? Thanks CM.

[Walruscl]

I try to steer clear of married ones. Too many things that can go wrong. If she says they are in an open relationship, ask her if she minds if you talk to him to confirm (if you don't mind cutting bait that is, because 99% of the time you won't hear from her after that).

Not that I haven't banged plenty of married women in the past, but they were usually civy bar finds and a lot of times I didn't know they were married until they took me back to their house while their hubby was away. I do sometimes meet married SBs but it is few and far between. They also tend to come with rules and restrictions that can annoy, like they can only meet in the morning etc. That doesn't start to take into consideration the possibility of things like the hubby finding out and putting up a website dedicated to ruining your professional reputation (for those of us that care about that sort of thing).

Hear ya, and will definitely factor that in. In this case I'm hearing things like her already having a steady BF, that her husband usually vets new play-partners, that sort of thing. So I think the polyamory is real and functional. Early on I was able to establish a lot of cred because my SB (I referred to her as my GF, which isn't all that far from the truth) is poly, so there was a lot of discussion about those dynamics and how I navigated them.

I have to say, even sugar-dating a poly when you have been indoctrinated in traditional monogamous relationships can be very challenging, and so far I've welcomed those challenges and seemed to fare well. The two poly women I've sugared seemed to think it was a slam-dunk win-win, but what I've personally found is that sex is just so extremely casual for them that it can totally lack spark and passion. If I weren't so enamored with the dating aspect of my current SB I would have given up awhile ago, as the sex side of things has been unusually challenging.

[JZLizard]

I don't have the problem of an SO to worry about, and in this specific case (and in general on civvie sites, if I can get my game up sufficiently well) I'm not looking for an SB. Already got one of those, don't feel like forking out even more $.

The relationship-mindedness problem in this specific instance is lessened by the fact that this is a married polyamorous woman, so unlikely she's going to get clingy. She's talking a really good game on the dating site's messaging, but I'm at a loss at how to move beyond talk-is-cheap. Don't get me wrong, the sexting is fun (no pics, just free-association playing out of dom / sub scenarios), and I'm willing to be patient. But I'm having trouble differentiating between two scenarios. One, someone who just isn't sure what they really want yet. Two, someone who's getting off on the sexting alone and keeps it more intense by not letting on that it's her end game rather than the path to a next step.

I try to steer clear of married ones. Too many things that can go wrong. If she says they are in an open relationship, ask her if she minds if you talk to him to confirm (if you don't mind cutting bait that is, because 99% of the time you won't hear from her after that).

Not that I haven't banged plenty of married women in the past, but they were usually civy bar finds and a lot of times I didn't know they were married until they took me back to their house while their hubby was away. I do sometimes meet married SBs but it is few and far between. They also tend to come with rules and restrictions that can annoy, like they can only meet in the morning etc. That doesn't start to take into consideration the possibility of things like the hubby finding out and putting up a website dedicated to ruining your professional reputation (for those of us that care about that sort of thing).

Married women tend to be VERY careless about their meetings and communications, too. Often texting their lover on the same phone her hubby pays the bill for. They figure if they get caught maybe their hubby will start appreciating them more and giving them attention again. They typically don't care if he buys a gun and stalks their ex-lover simultaneously while rekindling their marriage, their lover has served his purpose at that point.

If a hot chick wants to suck on my cock I typically don't over analyze the situation or worry about the above, but usually the married ones aren't as hot as the non-married and to me just aren't worth the extra risk. The risk is escalated in the civy-dating scene, because they have little to no motive to hide what they are doing. Mainstream media / society now fully supports the female in the above scenario, she is automatically assumed to be the victim of a husband that didn't try hard enough. She wins either way. The lover never really wins anything... free pussy maybe but in most cases, better free pussy was available from another non-married one.

Not to mention legal, physical, and emotional risks involved.