"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Petruchio]

I will not pay for a meet and greet. Just like I wouldn't pay a job applicant for an interview.

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https://www.seeking.com/member/f2881...3-2b182aa34809

She's been discussed here. Wants 100 for a meet. Didn't negotiate it yet. Whats the rule on sugar for a meet up? Don't want to be that chump giving up cash for nothing in return. She quoted ppm 300.

[SoonerFan72]

She's been discussed here. Wants 100 for a meet. Didn't negotiate it yet. Whats the rule on sugar for a meet up? Don't want to be that chump giving up cash for nothing in return. She quoted ppm 300.

https://www.seeking.com/member/6f7ad...4-1365e4fc7e34

She's been discussed here as well. Quoted 400 ppm for 1-2 hrs. 100% semi pro / pro vibe.

https://www.seeking.com/member/eb1b2...2-4d4ed6ac15ca

She seems to just want to chat. Not committing to a meet up. Wasted time.

From the two days in the bowl all I can say right now is this is a damn full time job trying to weed out scammers and pros. I did expect this from reading you guys comments here but didn't think it was this bad. DM me if any one has info on these ladies.

Welcome Falcon, thanks for sharing. As a quick tip, please put the ladies screen name in the post, it allows us to search on them later.

Mutualfun2018 is legit. I've never met her, but several guys on here have. She can host for $300, and reviews have been favorable. She is probably more Semi-Pro the a SB. She is on my "ToDo" list.

As for what to pay, that is totally up to you. Most of the average budget guys like myself start off offering around $200 for a meet. If the girl is really hot, and can host, I might go $300. You will find out over time that there are a ton of girls that can be had for $200 a meet. And a meet should be a few hours. If they quote by the hour, they are a most likely a pro. It does take a lot of work, like you are finding out, but in the end it is well worth it.

[FarFarAway]

I dunno, I can't agree with you on this. Maybe if you landed a SA girl that was UTR and you gave her something, sure I could see them going after you, but even most of the normal (true SA girls). They got a small stable of guys. I'm not talking the pros on SA, but the real demographic of the true SA girl. Hot, tight body college girl. They are totally fucking a few dudes. I'm sure at least 1-2 a week on the low end. No way they are going after you in particular. They will have way too high of a bone count to think they can even attempt to go after you.

It's all conjecture, but I wouldn't feel threatened. I've had one UTR that I knew I was the only guy. Just based on our conversations, and her general religious leaning / etc.

Some missing connections here. Are you divulging your true identity to your SB? First big mistake. You have to have a sugar alter ego that you give girls, so she can never find you if you want to evaporate. There are too many crazy people in the world, and crazy girls on these websites. This is extensively covered in the FAQ archive for sugar on the Richmond VA thread.

[NGASugarMan]

I dunno, I can't agree with you on this. Maybe if you landed a SA girl that was UTR and you gave her something, sure I could see them going after you, but even most of the normal (true SA girls). They got a small stable of guys. I'm not talking the pros on SA, but the real demographic of the true SA girl. Hot, tight body college girl. They are totally fucking a few dudes. I'm sure at least 1-2 a week on the low end. No way they are going after you in particular. They will have way too high of a bone count to think they can even attempt to go after you.

It's all conjecture, but I wouldn't feel threatened. I've had one UTR that I knew I was the only guy. Just based on our conversations, and her general religious leaning / etc.

If she contracts an STD, and she is looking to settle the score, her and her attorney are going to start by shaking down the dude with the deepest pockets. I suspect they would start with the monger (45-65 y / o dude with 401 k, etc) It would be up to your attorney to identify everyone else she slept with (impossible) and subpoena their records, or have court order their testing to create some doubt as to the source. I can't imagine how convoluted and expensive this process would be relative to disclosing or narrowing your search to HSV positive people. They make websites for that.

[NGASugarMan]

That's pretty much my stance. I'm fine going FC with the SA girls I've hooked up with (that are true low mileage SA girls). I've never caught anything mongering:

6 girls Bareback.

4 girls covered (2 were true SA girls who were just not on BC, 2 were probably Pro's when I was new to SA).

I have HSV-1. You know how I got it? My wife gave it to me. She had it as a kid. Talk about irony, LOL!

This is not a comment regarding safe sex, which is forbidden on this thread. It can only be discussed on a thread dedicated to that. Since you say you are using a condom. However, I'd view your assessment of HSV2 as highly optimistic. If you have it, you can transmit it at any time, male or female. I personally could not in good conscience have any significant sexual contact w / someone clean if I had something transmissible in this way. There are around 1/6 of the US population who are seropositive for HSV2. That is the reason there are specialized dating sites, etc. For those who are positive.

I urge everyone to look up the statistics, from your hometown CDC, as to the demographic distribution of those positives. It will strongly affect who you take to the FC.

I told a POT once that I was + for HSV1, like 70% of the US population, and asymptomatic. It freaked her out and, despite very positive indications beforehand, she ran for the hills and got nasty about it. That one I now feel free to keep to myself, as its consequence is nothing like HSV2.

[FalconWing]

Long time lurker here. Finally decided to step in and try this gig out. Going on the 3rd day and damn this is a full time job keeping up with scammers and pros! Wanted to see if anyone know intel on these babies that I'm chatting with.

https://www.seeking.com/member/fde4a...6-95f86f2d8004

Seems genuine but too far for me. She said she could come to the city to meet up. Waiting on figuring out a day / time. Have not talked about expectations yet. She did share a private pic which is a lot different than her profile pic, unfortunately to the worse.

https://www.seeking.com/member/8f034...9-106f25de4285

Chatted a bit and seems cool. When asked when we can meet up she said "Come" single word. Don't know what to think of that other than a 1000 red flags.

https://www.seeking.com/member/f2881...3-2b182aa34809

She's been discussed here. Wants 100 for a meet. Didn't negotiate it yet. Whats the rule on sugar for a meet up? Don't want to be that chump giving up cash for nothing in return. She quoted ppm 300.

https://www.seeking.com/member/6f7ad...4-1365e4fc7e34

She's been discussed here as well. Quoted 400 ppm for 1-2 hrs. 100% semi pro / pro vibe.

https://www.seeking.com/member/eb1b2...2-4d4ed6ac15ca

She seems to just want to chat. Not committing to a meet up. Wasted time.

From the two days in the bowl all I can say right now is this is a damn full time job trying to weed out scammers and pros. I did expect this from reading you guys comments here but didn't think it was this bad. DM me if any one has info on these ladies.

[HawkJock]

Also, got to assume most of these SA women are not monogamous, so how would they know you gave it to them even if you did. They could have gotten it from any of the many other guys they are doing. However, I guess they could subpoena the health records of every one of those guys. That is unlikely, but possible. And perhaps some SB women are monogamous, but can't see how it would be a lot.

If she contracts an STD, and she is looking to settle the score, her and her attorney are going to start by shaking down the dude with the deepest pockets. I suspect they would start with the monger (45-65 y / o dude with 401 k, etc) It would be up to your attorney to identify everyone else she slept with (impossible) and subpoena their records, or have court order their testing to create some doubt as to the source. I can't imagine how convoluted and expensive this process would be relative to disclosing or narrowing your search to HSV positive people. They make websites for that.

[FarFarAway]

Based on the threads below I figured I'd relate my personal experience with hsv2. I'm an SA guy. I met up with a hot lady back in May. We had unprotected oral, vaginal and anal sex over the course of a few days. She mentioned wanting to get a test. I hadn't had one in about 8 months, so got one. I came back clean except for being HSV2 positive. I was shocked. I went to see my doc and he said the same thing that was mentioned. The test looks for antibodies for the virus. I have never had an outbreak. The original SB and I lost contact before I could relate the results. I did have someone I was currently seeing and told her. We still see each other, but it did significantly change the nature of our relationship. We basically do mutual masturbation. We have a great connection, which is why I continue seeing her, but in retrospect I wish I had never told her. After doing a bunch of research it is VERY difficult to spread orally and if you wear a condom (which she always wanted anyway) the odds are really small. Still, she is paranoid. So there it is. Moving forward I've decided to not tell my other SA partners about my status and will use a condom for intercourse..

This is not a comment regarding safe sex, which is forbidden on this thread. It can only be discussed on a thread dedicated to that. Since you say you are using a condom. However, I'd view your assessment of HSV2 as highly optimistic. If you have it, you can transmit it at any time, male or female. I personally could not in good conscience have any significant sexual contact w / someone clean if I had something transmissible in this way. There are around 1/6 of the US population who are seropositive for HSV2. That is the reason there are specialized dating sites, etc. For those who are positive.

I urge everyone to look up the statistics, from your hometown CDC, as to the demographic distribution of those positives. It will strongly affect who you take to the FC.

I told a POT once that I was + for HSV1, like 70% of the US population, and asymptomatic. It freaked her out and, despite very positive indications beforehand, she ran for the hills and got nasty about it. That one I now feel free to keep to myself, as its consequence is nothing like HSV2.

[Peter Johnson]

I'd not recommend this. In nearly all states it is both criminally and civilly illegal to knowingly expose / transmit STD / STI. In some states it is illegal to not tell a partner about specific STD / STI.

If they are exposed or contract the STD / STI they could press charges and sue in civil court. Thru discovery they will scour your health records and once they know you know they can transfer a portion of your wealth for having done so.

Stay safe out there!

I had this same thought and perhaps one could say that HSV 1 and HSV 2 could just be on your lips if you never had an outbreak down below, so you didn't know you had it gentally. Most of the people who have it probably don't even know it and never have an outbreak. But if you got the test results at the doctor, then you do know you have the virus.

However, I guess you are still officially supposed to disclose this. But 90% of the population has HSV 1, and no one discloses that. Perhaps you could still be sued for it though and current society is very misandrist and would rule against the evil dirty man in nearly every case. But I don't think many people with HSV2 are disclosing it to potential partners if they wear condoms. Not with SA girls at least. I agree though that there is significant risk there.

Also, got to assume most of these SA women are not monogamous, so how would they know you gave it to them even if you did. They could have gotten it from any of the many other guys they are doing. However, I guess they could subpoena the health records of every one of those guys. That is unlikely, but possible. And perhaps some SB women are monogamous, but can't see how it would be a lot.

[DArrow404]

Yes, however she has been reviewed on here and favorable. My question was really has she started skimping instead of actual SB now??

Well, she has gone GPS now. I've been texting on and off with her for a couple weeks. She will go days before responding. Today we were texting a fair amount and trying to setup a meet. I asked her how much of an allowance she is looking for. She said she is looking for 2000 per month and of course she can't host. Lulz.

I haven't responded to her yet. I'm not sure if I'm going to try and get her down to a lower per meet or not. Maybe I'll just string her along and give her false hope that she landed a sucker.

[HawkJock]

Moving forward I've decided to not tell my other SA partners about my status and will use a condom for intercourse.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

I'd not recommend this. In nearly all states it is both criminally and civilly illegal to knowingly expose / transmit STD / STI. In some states it is illegal to not tell a partner about specific STD / STI.

If they are exposed or contract the STD / STI they could press charges and sue in civil court. Thru discovery they will scour your health records and once they know you know they can transfer a portion of your wealth for having done so.

Stay safe out there!

[Peter Johnson]

Complete time waster. We met for dinner then came back to my place.

She insisted get the money before anything. So I never do this but she seemed so cool.

I gave her, we hung a bit then went to the bathroom and came back with the whole.

"I just started my period" so I can't do anything but I can still spend the night.

I was pissed but later just told her to go home. Total damage was 2. 5 $ that ill never get back.

Because I hate confrontation and don't want any issues just told her to give me 1. 0 $ back.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7f749...1-c5e364f152da

What woman can't do anything if she is on her period? Hasn't she heard of oral sex or a handjob? But odd that she said she would spend the night, so maybe she wasn't totally trying to rip you off.

[Peter Johnson]

HSV 2 which is harder to explain if it shows up. I actually just read quite a few articles on transmission rates and it is difficult to spread even in a fully unprotected situation. At least from female to male. Simply not a risk I can take however.

I figure most every monger on here has HPV and HSV, although maybe I'm wrong about that. But you can get / give HSV1 or 2 without any kind of visible outbreak. I think most people are antisymptomatic most of the time. I think I had two outbreaks in like 10 years. Also condom does not necessarily help you, because can have it on your thighs. That is where I had outbreak before.

Anyway STD discussion is a buzzkill here, and I figure it's a risk we all accept and some of us try to minimize it and some do not. I have gone bare with literally hundreds of women and it was worth it to get what I have, which is nothing bad. That being said, I've slowed down quite a bit in my old age and more selective now and try not to put myself in situations where I know I will probably go against what my original plan was.

This is interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/SexWorkers/...4_risk_of_hiv/ The risk is like 0. 08% for a man to give it to a woman, so for a man to get it from a woman has to be a fraction of that.

Anyway, HSV is nothing and it's mostly the social stimga around it that makes people freak out about it a little.

[SummaTaco]

Based on the threads below I figured I'd relate my personal experience with hsv2. I'm an SA guy. I met up with a hot lady back in May. We had unprotected oral, vaginal and anal sex over the course of a few days. She mentioned wanting to get a test. I hadn't had one in about 8 months, so got one. I came back clean except for being HSV2 positive. I was shocked. I went to see my doc and he said the same thing that was mentioned. The test looks for antibodies for the virus. I have never had an outbreak. The original SB and I lost contact before I could relate the results. I did have someone I was currently seeing and told her. We still see each other, but it did significantly change the nature of our relationship. We basically do mutual masturbation. We have a great connection, which is why I continue seeing her, but in retrospect I wish I had never told her. After doing a bunch of research it is VERY difficult to spread orally and if you wear a condom (which she always wanted anyway) the odds are really small. Still, she is paranoid. So there it is. Moving forward I've decided to not tell my other SA partners about my status and will use a condom for intercourse.

It does make me think about the Gangbang thread though. I have seen one of the featured ladies on the thread a few times about this time last year (don't PM me, I won't divulge who). We went unprotected. She most likely is not infected, but given the odds and activities of all involved it is very likely someone there is. Take that for what it's worth. For fans of Adam Ruins Everything there is an episode featuring HSV2. Up until the 80's it really was a non-factor treated as a simple skin infection or disease. According to the episode it was the drug companies with treatments that drove the big publicity around it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so don't know what I think of that. Of course my diagnosis jades my viewpoint, LOL.

Anyway, I know most of the rules here and hope I haven't said something that gets this post deleted.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

I've seen porn stars on twitter post their testing results. They don't even test for HSV. It's a waste of money. However, if you have a significant other, you've definitely got to think about that sort of thing.

[SummaTaco]

Based on the threads below I figured I'd relate my personal experience with hsv2. I'm an SA guy. I met up with a hot lady back in May. We had unprotected oral, vaginal and anal sex over the course of a few days. She mentioned wanting to get a test. I hadn't had one in about 8 months, so got one. I came back clean except for being HSV2 positive. I was shocked. I went to see my doc and he said the same thing that was mentioned. The test looks for antibodies for the virus. I have never had an outbreak. The original SB and I lost contact before I could relate the results. I did have someone I was currently seeing and told her. We still see each other, but it did significantly change the nature of our relationship. We basically do mutual masturbation. We have a great connection, which is why I continue seeing her, but in retrospect I wish I had never told her. After doing a bunch of research it is VERY difficult to spread orally and if you wear a condom (which she always wanted anyway) the odds are really small. Still, she is paranoid. So there it is. Moving forward I've decided to not tell my other SA partners about my status and will use a condom for intercourse.

It does make me think about the Gangbang thread though. I have seen one of the featured ladies on the thread a few times about this time last year (don't PM me, I won't divulge who). We went unprotected. She most likely is not infected, but given the odds and activities of all involved it is very likely someone there is. Take that for what it's worth. For fans of Adam Ruins Everything there is an episode featuring HSV2. Up until the 80's it really was a non-factor treated as a simple skin infection or disease. According to the episode it was the drug companies with treatments that drove the big publicity around it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so don't know what I think of that. Of course my diagnosis jades my viewpoint, LOL.

Anyway, I know most of the rules here and hope I haven't said something that gets this post deleted.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

Supposedly the percentage of HSV-2 positive people who get genital cold sores is something like 10%. But it's much nastier in terms of the fever and damage it does (short term damage, but still.).