"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Walruscl]

"mutually beneficial" and "NSA" but platonic? What the hell is that? Who has friends that are mutually beneficial and NSA? Also, she has to like you and be entertained by you (dance monkey, dance), and be paid for it. What is wrong with these girls? The sense of entitlement is downright repulsive.

As pointed out by others in this thread, profiles like that can be smokescreens for the girl to have plausible deniability if she's outed as a participant on the site.

On the other hand, there are in fact men who will agree to that. My current SB, who is one of the most straight-shooting, forthright people I've met, claims that her other current SD is a Skype-only arrangement and completely platonic. She hasn't shared more detail than that, so I don't know if they just talk or whether it gets into sort of a private webcam dynamic. I will say that she is a joy to be around and stimulating to talk to, so I can't totally fault the guy, but I personally would not be satisfied with that. And neither would 99% of the potential SD's I imagine.

This is one of the few that I went monthly, which has the advantage that we can meet regularly without the pressure that every encounter must not be entirely platonic. Things do get physical more often than not, but sometimes it only goes to the level of physical flirting. And while that's not normally what I'm after, I'm totally cool with a more casual arrangement with this one. To quote Billy Joel: "She's got a way about her".

[EvilTmp]

Can someone translate this for me?

(as seen on the profile of a local 18 yo girl).

"I am seeking something to help support the expense of college tuition, with a connection and good conversation. It would be discreet, mutually beneficial, platonic and NSA".

"mutually beneficial" and "NSA" but platonic? What the hell is that? Who has friends that are mutually beneficial and NSA? Also, she has to like you and be entertained by you (dance monkey, dance), and be paid for it. What is wrong with these girls? The sense of entitlement is downright repulsive.

[Ernest Ll]

I think she was bluffing about most everything, because if she had that info (wife) she would have threatened to use it earlier, not later. I imagine she'll be back since you paid her something. You'll need to decide if you're going to tell her to fuck off or not.

If she messages again, Ill try to get her to go on the record with the blackmail, otherwise she can pound sand.

[RogerOver]

Was waiting for this one to specifically state "you need to give me x or Ill tell your wife".

Just threatening to tell the wife without asking for anything of value is just someone being a *****.

I think she was bluffing about most everything, because if she had that info (wife) she would have threatened to use it earlier, not later. I imagine she'll be back since you paid her something. You'll need to decide if you're going to tell her to fuck off or not.

[Ernest Ll]

Anyone trying to blackmail you should receive this message:

I am actively documenting your current attempts at blackmail and saving all your messages. Blackmail is a federal and state crime which is punishable by up to 20 years in jail and heavy fines. Law enforcement can easily identify you with a simple search warrant through your IP addresses, phone numbers, and other traces left behind when you message me.

Go ahead, contact me again. Give me that one little push I need to crush you.

Was waiting for this one to specifically state "you need to give me x or Ill tell your wife".

Just threatening to tell the wife without asking for anything of value is just someone being a *****.

[EvilTmp]

Anyone trying to blackmail you should receive this message:

I am actively documenting your current attempts at blackmail and saving all your messages. Blackmail is a federal and state crime which is punishable by up to 20 years in jail and heavy fines. Law enforcement can easily identify you with a simple search warrant through your IP addresses, phone numbers, and other traces left behind when you message me.

Go ahead, contact me again. Give me that one little push I need to crush you.

Silence and calling their bluff may be the best options.

I had a dancer I dated a while back try the same thing. I told her: "I'm now divorced. You may piss my ex-wife off by contacting her, but in I'm okay with that. Good luck. LOL".

She went back under her rock. I was sweating for a while, but how does she know how current and accurate her info is and blackmail is a serious crime while adultery is a moral, but not legal issue.

[Ernest Ll]

Are these calls and texts to your personal phone or to a burner phone? Did she or the other party ever reveal your real name or is it a bluff that you fell for? If there was no proof that she found your real name using paypal offered her that info.

Very scary story, every married mans nightmare.

I use google voice and have scanned the web many times for my phone number -- including my real cell. Paypal is a ghost accounting using the email I use for SA, which also does not appear in any google searches.

I thought she might be bluffing since she did not call me out or send any other info to verify she knows the truth, but she mentioned the specific amoujnt of the hotel she had booked (*we discussed in real time) and figured it was a small price to pay for possible getting her to back off.

Her latest was she was going to come to MY office yesterday but did not show. Was tempted to tell her to call me at my office, but have chosen to stay silent since her Saturday message to never contact her again.

Yes, total potential nightmare, especially since this would be my 2nd strike with the wife (she won't give me 3, I'm pretty sure.).

[Madaboutmax]

Silence and calling their bluff may be the best options.

I had a dancer I dated a while back try the same thing. I told her: "I'm now divorced. You may piss my ex-wife off by contacting her, but in I'm okay with that. Good luck. LOL".

She went back under her rock. I was sweating for a while, but how does she know how current and accurate her info is and blackmail is a serious crime while adultery is a moral, but not legal issue.

Met a MILF on SA back in August. She drove an hour to meet me, fun fuck, reasonable damage. Lots of naked pics along the way from her. Her profile is since gone.

Tried to meet up again in September, but I had to cancel -- both times the night before. Silence for weeks.

Then I get texts "It took some work, but I foudn out who you are and am going to tell your wife bedause you stuck me with a hotel bill" Have no idea of this is true, but not wanting to press my luck. Tried to get her on the phone, she wouldn't answer.

Thought I got her to calm down by paypaling her the $140 she claims she ws out of pocket. No hits on the number she is using or on the email address or name linked to her paypal.

Then she launches into a tirade, long and short is she quit her PT job because she thoguht she would be seeing me a couple of times a month. Blah blah blah. Then "don't ever ccontact me again".

Then today I get "See me today". I don't respond. "Ill be at your office at 1" I don't respond, and its 215 and no sign of her.

Then I get another message from a different 804 # saying "I found your photo online that you are married and you like young SBs and rough sex" # tried calling my google voice but no VM left. No hits on that #, but I know its a Sprint #, same as the nut.

I'm thinking silence is the best approach.

[InTight]

Met a MILF on SA back in August. She drove an hour to meet me, fun fuck, reasonable damage. Lots of naked pics along the way from her. Her profile is since gone.

Tried to meet up again in September, but I had to cancel -- both times the night before. Silence for weeks.

Then I get texts "It took some work, but I foudn out who you are and am going to tell your wife bedause you stuck me with a hotel bill" Have no idea of this is true, but not wanting to press my luck. Tried to get her on the phone, she wouldn't answer.

Thought I got her to calm down by paypaling her the $140 she claims she ws out of pocket. No hits on the number she is using or on the email address or name linked to her paypal.

Then she launches into a tirade, long and short is she quit her PT job because she thoguht she would be seeing me a couple of times a month. Blah blah blah. Then "don't ever ccontact me again".

Then today I get "See me today". I don't respond. "Ill be at your office at 1" I don't respond, and its 215 and no sign of her.

Then I get another message from a different 804 # saying "I found your photo online that you are married and you like young SBs and rough sex" # tried calling my google voice but no VM left. No hits on that #, but I know its a Sprint #, same as the nut.

I'm thinking silence is the best approach.

Are these calls and texts to your personal phone or to a burner phone? Did she or the other party ever reveal your real name or is it a bluff that you fell for? If there was no proof that she found your real name using paypal offered her that info.

Very scary story, every married mans nightmare.

[Ernest Ll]

Met a MILF on SA back in August. She drove an hour to meet me, fun fuck, reasonable damage. Lots of naked pics along the way from her. Her profile is since gone.

Tried to meet up again in September, but I had to cancel -- both times the night before. Silence for weeks.

Then I get texts "It took some work, but I foudn out who you are and am going to tell your wife bedause you stuck me with a hotel bill" Have no idea of this is true, but not wanting to press my luck. Tried to get her on the phone, she wouldn't answer.

Thought I got her to calm down by paypaling her the $140 she claims she ws out of pocket. No hits on the number she is using or on the email address or name linked to her paypal.

Then she launches into a tirade, long and short is she quit her PT job because she thoguht she would be seeing me a couple of times a month. Blah blah blah. Then "don't ever ccontact me again".

Then today I get "See me today". I don't respond. "Ill be at your office at 1" I don't respond, and its 215 and no sign of her.

Then I get another message from a different 804 # saying "I found your photo online that you are married and you like young SBs and rough sex" # tried calling my google voice but no VM left. No hits on that #, but I know its a Sprint #, same as the nut.

I'm thinking silence is the best approach.

[JZLizard]

Here is how it can come back to bite you.

My SO got the DNA test done to see where her families originated from.

You also get info on relatives that had took the test. A couple of her cousins came up, plus a second cousin she didn't recognize.

Email addresses are provided for the matches. She emailed the adult male in Texas. He said he was adopted and didn't know his biological Mom but his adopted mother said her last name was ______, my SOs Mom's maiden name.

Due to his age it couldn't have been her Mom or one of her three sisters, but one of her older cousins. Back in the day there where a lot of babies born out of wedlock were put up for adoption.

I think most people doing those type of tests are over 18 so you wouldn't get hit up financially but no fun explaining it to your SO!

This is why I never answer my phone from a number I don't recognize.

[JZLizard]

One SB I know plays very hard to get, but the past two months has been struggling to make rent due to lack of income. Both months, she was all over WYP and SA the last week of the month, and then gone.

Even my regular SB was back online after she had to cancel our planned meeting on the 26th which would have covered her shortfall.

Housing costs play a big role for some, to be sure. But many of mine didn't fall neatly into that category. Many had college dorm paid for by parents, or lived with family or boyfriend, in some cases already had roomate (s) with low share of the rent and also a job that already left them with ample cash. Then there are others that are barely scraping by in extended stay hotels.

[FarFarAway]

Not a bug. Seeking.com has a new one. You can specify an age range for the men / women function on a profile. I just saw a girl's profile that specified (ages 35-60), went to my own profile, and saw there is an optional slider to enter this in for myself. I personally don't have a big age preference, but I know some of you do.

[Ernest Ll]

One SB I know plays very hard to get, but the past two months has been struggling to make rent due to lack of income. Both months, she was all over WYP and SA the last week of the month, and then gone.

Even my regular SB was back online after she had to cancel our planned meeting on the 26th which would have covered her shortfall.

[DrSummer]

Rent is due. They are desperate. I had a 19 yr old potential I met for a coffee about a month ago. Very personable cute girl reaching almost 10 out of 10 on my scale. When I talked to her, I realized rent for her apartment is number one on her mind. I kept texting back and forth with her, but she never agreed for a date. For about a month, she kept on giving excuses for not meeting. I kept on trying, and at the end totally forgot about her. All of a sudden, I get a text yesterday "can you meet me today". I asked "what's the hurry". She needs help with rent. Although I was little skeptical what the experience would be, she was OK with whatever I can help with. Came straight to my house, spent about 2 hours. We connected very well and excellent experience all the way. I gave her the minimum allowance I usually give and added a small personal gift of top. She very much appreciated me helping her out. The next time I see her may be when her rent is due again, but it is worth the wait.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.