Non Pro's

[Twister100]

She is in town this week, has a hotel room, and visits every couple months from LA. Looks very hot, but 500/ meet is not for me. https://www.seeking.com/messages/inb...6-b53c87041c65.

Just an update. She quoted me 600 per meet.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ea84e...6-d7f9caf98685

[WFM20]

I was having so much success that I got carried away and used some no-no words. Suggestions for getting back on?

I'm actually thinking of it as an opportunity to upgrade my computing security overall. Secure VPN, Linux? Etc. Any tech gurus here have advice? Thanks!

[IrishGuy1977]

Forget headlines and profiles, no one ever reads them anyway and even if they do, they're not going to see you based on either of those two things so keep things general and PC. In your case, something like. "Seeking tour guide. Travel to Seattle regularly for biz, looking for a tour guide to show me the sights. " You get the idea. The specifics can wait till you are chatting with them. This is a participation sport. If you're sitting on the sidelines waiting for a lady to contact you, you won't have much success. Just like at a bar, start working the room but I would recommend keeping the small talk to a minimum and get specific about what you are looking for without getting explicit. Euphemisms are good. I use the initial conversation as a high level filter to make sure we're on the same page generally. Most of the ladies on SA understand people are looking to hook up though a percentage can be naive. If it looks like a match, I'll see if they are willing to text or use kik or just about anything besides SA messaging so we can have a conversation without big brother SA listening. This is where I will get more specific about what I'm looking for. Obviously each person is different and therefore each conversation is different so some conversations were very specific upfront, others had to wait till we met for drinks.

All good advice Twister and DelToro. I am enjoying the hunt. Had a few successes already. Working on a few more. I can see from your advice where I can fine tune my appaorach. This is getting fun. But I would be lying if I said I did not miss the old days where I could read a few reviews to find out we were the same kind of freaky or lack there of if that is the case.

[DelToro]

Forget headlines and profiles, no one ever reads them anyway and even if they do, they're not going to see you based on either of those two things so keep things general and PC. In your case, something like. "Seeking tour guide. Travel to Seattle regularly for biz, looking for a tour guide to show me the sights. " You get the idea. The specifics can wait till you are chatting with them. This is a participation sport. If you're sitting on the sidelines waiting for a lady to contact you, you won't have much success. Just like at a bar, start working the room but I would recommend keeping the small talk to a minimum and get specific about what you are looking for without getting explicit. Euphemisms are good. I use the initial conversation as a high level filter to make sure we're on the same page generally. Most of the ladies on SA understand people are looking to hook up though a percentage can be naive. If it looks like a match, I'll see if they are willing to text or use kik or just about anything besides SA messaging so we can have a conversation without big brother SA listening. This is where I will get more specific about what I'm looking for. Obviously each person is different and therefore each conversation is different so some conversations were very specific upfront, others had to wait till we met for drinks.

You must have a lot of time.

I can not go and explain each girl that respond what I want.

My profile screens for me.

I agree you can not sit from the sidelines. I do contact them and then ask them to read my profile. The ones that reply are usually game for several shots and several hours and pay per meet. That reduces tremendously the noise.

From there then yes I switch to text for specifics.

[Twister100]

That was very helpful. Hosting is not an issue for me. I am not local to Seattle. When there I always have a room on company dime. I use a burner and never my real name. Hotels I stay are big enough that of things went sideways I can always switch rooms with no issue. How do you make it clear you expect multiple shots and intimacy expected? I have tried to use several word tracts and the changes to my profile were rejected by Seeking. I used "let's spend a few hours getting to know each other at dinner or over drinks and head back to my place for some for some adult oriented fun". I have struggled working in the several rounds are expected.

Forget headlines and profiles, no one ever reads them anyway and even if they do, they're not going to see you based on either of those two things so keep things general and PC. In your case, something like. "Seeking tour guide. Travel to Seattle regularly for biz, looking for a tour guide to show me the sights. " You get the idea. The specifics can wait till you are chatting with them. This is a participation sport. If you're sitting on the sidelines waiting for a lady to contact you, you won't have much success. Just like at a bar, start working the room but I would recommend keeping the small talk to a minimum and get specific about what you are looking for without getting explicit. Euphemisms are good. I use the initial conversation as a high level filter to make sure we're on the same page generally. Most of the ladies on SA understand people are looking to hook up though a percentage can be naive. If it looks like a match, I'll see if they are willing to text or use kik or just about anything besides SA messaging so we can have a conversation without big brother SA listening. This is where I will get more specific about what I'm looking for. Obviously each person is different and therefore each conversation is different so some conversations were very specific upfront, others had to wait till we met for drinks.

[DelToro]

That was very helpful. Hosting is not an issue for me. I am not local to Seattle. When there I always have a room on company dime. I use a burner and never my real name. Hotels I stay are big enough that of things went sideways I can always switch rooms with no issue. How do you make it clear you expect multiple shots and intimacy expected? I have tried to use several word tracts and the changes to my profile were rejected by Seeking. I used "let's spend a few hours getting to know each other at dinner or over drinks and head back to my place for some for some adult oriented fun". I have struggled working in the several rounds are expected.

I use dessert as the sex euphemism. Dinner and then dessert at you place. Arrangement every time we enjoy dessert.

In my profile I explain that I have a really high sex drive and that I can go several times in sessions that can last hours.

When I contact them I ask them to please read my profile, many do not respond but he ones that do, understand what they are getting into. .

[DelToro]

No showed. Wasn't on my guard and should have caught some of the warning signs.

SA: STACEYYB https://www.seeking.com/member/2d5d8...0-ecb5cb4256fb.

Was that on Friday night.

She contacted me then, asking to hook up.

I was busy so I declined.

[IrishGuy1977]

No showed. Wasn't on my guard and should have caught some of the warning signs.

SA: STACEYYB https://www.seeking.com/member/2d5d8...0-ecb5cb4256fb.

I was communicating with her. Which was spotty at best. I gave up after a few days. Glad I didn't waste time. Thanks for the info.

[IrishGuy1977]

I also had a lot of experience in the hobby.

I was a player there, very rarely did I repeat.

I was very picky in the hobby, but then with all the recent changes it became harder and harder to screen the girls to figure if they did what I like, so I found my self starting to see the same girls over an over.

The familiarity was new to me and some I really liked so I wanted to spend time socially with them but well it is time and time is money for them so you need to pay a fee, granted usually cheaper than a playing fee but a fee nevertheless.

Then I was introduced to SA, where repeated monthly visits is the holly grail and social time does not only cost extra is actually highly valuated by true non pros that do not want to feel like an escort.

It took me a while but I mastered my profile, its quite direct, it hints monthly arrangement down the road (which I have done once) but while we get there is pay peer meet.

I make crystal clear I am expecting intimacy on the first date, if we click of course. In that sense I have a 100 batting average, if we go out on a date we end up fucking.

I sent several messages, 4 out 10 reply.

At some point we switch to text with my burner phone, at that point I do a full search and that's usually when I figure they are pros. I do not cut communication but they go to the bottom of my TDL..

That was very helpful. Hosting is not an issue for me. I am not local to Seattle. When there I always have a room on company dime. I use a burner and never my real name. Hotels I stay are big enough that of things went sideways I can always switch rooms with no issue. How do you make it clear you expect multiple shots and intimacy expected? I have tried to use several word tracts and the changes to my profile were rejected by Seeking. I used "let's spend a few hours getting to know each other at dinner or over drinks and head back to my place for some for some adult oriented fun". I have struggled working in the several rounds are expected.

[Twister100]

No showed. Wasn't on my guard and should have caught some of the warning signs.

SA: STACEYYB https://www.seeking.com/member/2d5d8...0-ecb5cb4256fb.

[Twister100]

Does anyone else have lots of problems with the SA site? Slow or interminable load times, being randomly logged out, etc? Anyone know if there a best browser / OS combo? Or do they just suck at Internetting?

I use Chrome and it's randomly slow from home. Not bad from my phone unless I have a bad wifi or less than four bar 4 G LTE.

[DelToro]

Does anyone else have lots of problems with the SA site? Slow or interminable load times, being randomly logged out, etc? Anyone know if there a best browser / OS combo? Or do they just suck at Internetting?

Yes, I had experienced that every now and then it gets slow.

[Michael1967]

Does anyone else have lots of problems with the SA site? Slow or interminable load times, being randomly logged out, etc? Anyone know if there a best browser / OS combo? Or do they just suck at Internetting?

I've never had the slightest problem with it. I use Google Chrome.

[DelToro]

I am looking for the same DelToro. Maybe I need to try your tactic. So how does that work for you? You invite them out for a bite and the topic comes up while out? Or are you just meeting them straight behind closed doors and discussing? I have been only dabbling in the SA world for a few weeks. I have a lot of experience in the hobby world. Maybe I need to separate myself from it.

And to the post below. I did not start communicating with any of the pros knowing they were pros. I guess I should have looked in multiple locations. Their picture search did not met results.

I also had a lot of experience in the hobby.

I was a player there, very rarely did I repeat.

I was very picky in the hobby, but then with all the recent changes it became harder and harder to screen the girls to figure if they did what I like, so I found my self starting to see the same girls over an over.

The familiarity was new to me and some I really liked so I wanted to spend time socially with them but well it is time and time is money for them so you need to pay a fee, granted usually cheaper than a playing fee but a fee nevertheless.

Then I was introduced to SA, where repeated monthly visits is the holly grail and social time does not only cost extra is actually highly valuated by true non pros that do not want to feel like an escort.

It took me a while but I mastered my profile, its quite direct, it hints monthly arrangement down the road (which I have done once) but while we get there is pay peer meet.

I make crystal clear I am expecting intimacy on the first date, if we click of course. In that sense I have a 100 batting average, if we go out on a date we end up fucking.

I sent several messages, 4 out 10 reply.

At some point we switch to text with my burner phone, at that point I do a full search and that's usually when I figure they are pros. I do not cut communication but they go to the bottom of my TDL.

My profile is quite explicit in the terms that I am expecting to cum several times and to be together for at least a couple of hours, during communication I make crystal clear that they confirm they understood that. I do not discuss services, but so far I have gotten a lot.

I never bring the arrangement, if they do which might be like 40% of them, I first ask if they can host and tell that if they can host the arrangement can be larger. I usually start with 150-200 and very rarely went pass 250 with 300 being my all time maximum and just if they can host. Some want more and that's the end of the story.

With the other 60% I just act as it is a normal date, some would ask during the date but many do not. You can tell they want to ask but they do not have the nerve, some guys take advantage of that and do not give an arrangement at all. I do, how much I give depends of how likely I think I will see them again but I had never went below $100. The vast majority are fine with the amount, I had a few that it was clear they were not happy and ended up blocking form the site.

I used to pay for rooms / hot tub time but not any more, that cuts the pool in half but well even then I have three dates lined up for next week.

Hope these insights help.

[WFM20]

Does anyone else have lots of problems with the SA site? Slow or interminable load times, being randomly logged out, etc? Anyone know if there a best browser / OS combo? Or do they just suck at Internetting?