"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Its That Guy]

I just did a sort on newest members for Richmond. Counted 93 in past 7 days. I find it hard to believe they are all real. Considering how many unviewed messages I have had in the last 3 weeks, there has to be a lot of fake profiles as filler on SA.

VCU move-in was recent. Wonder if that correlates.

[Madaboutmax]

The advantage of SA is that because a girl has joined the site she has already indicated she is willing to consider being intimate with older man, wants financial support and is available.

Being able to meet attractive young women is not so difficult at restaurants, bars, clubs and strip clubs that cater to men and older men. It can take a lot of work, and not always easy, to figure out if they'd be open to " dating" an older man.

I've had good luck at strip clubs, but that environment is good for flirting and getting to know someone over the course of multiple visits. Not as easy at places like hooters, twin peaks or twisted kilt where it's not as easy to approach a server that's not assigned to you.

I've civi dated several strippers that I've met from clubs. I've dated college athletes, cheerleaders, waitresses, bartenders, fitness / yoga instructors, models and the like all off SA. I'm not sure how else I would have met them of not for SA.

I'm curious about others experiences, techniques and spots to do so.

I think he has a good point, and honestly I would rather do the in person thing. Do any of you know any good spots to try? "service industries" is kind of vague, but if anyone has any ideas on specific spots for me to hit up, I am happy to try them out and report back! I am still pretty new to Richmond, so I wouldn't know the first thing about where to go to find potential SB's here. If this were Austin, where I used to live, this would be another story!

[JustLonely]

I just did a sort on newest members for Richmond. Counted 93 in past 7 days. I find it hard to believe they are all real. Considering how many unviewed messages I have had in the last 3 weeks, there has to be a lot of fake profiles as filler on SA.

[CantWinLosin]

There needs to be pinned post at the top of the SA forum in every city saying not to buy pics, send anything upfront or send money of any kind electronically, that it's always a scam. What's gotten worse recently is that a few months ago there were a ton of profiles seeking online only so you could just ignore them, but the girls (or probably guys in some cases) have gotten much more sophisticated, probably out of necessity as they weren't finding enough suckers, errr customers.

The ones I get a chuckle out of are the ones that say you must send them something from their wishlist or, worse, send them money via a cash app "to prove you're serious" before they'll give you the time of day. Entitled much?

[DSmith2704]

Yeah. It's just easier to hit the girls up in the "real world. " Those same chicks are working in service industries, but you're going to have to chat them up some. I've seen other guys on here say the same thing.

I think he has a good point, and honestly I would rather do the in person thing. Do any of you know any good spots to try? "service industries" is kind of vague, but if anyone has any ideas on specific spots for me to hit up, I am happy to try them out and report back! I am still pretty new to Richmond, so I wouldn't know the first thing about where to go to find potential SB's here. If this were Austin, where I used to live, this would be another story!

[CrazySpice]

I will be in Lynchburg VA on trip.

Any mongers there to share trusted SB.

PM me profile name with contact info.

[RogerOver]

That might've worked then, but the site is nothing like it was 2 years ago. Using the app instead of the site means they just reply to messages and scroll through photos, even the legit ones first message is usually "what are you looking for" when you're profile clearly states exactly what you are seeking, so they're not even looking at the profile usually. As far as the scamsters their strategy is to cast a wide net, they know they're going to get 50 No's before they find a sucker. There's always been the individual girls thinking they can sell pics or find platonic or online only and those are easier to weed out because they'll tell you quickly what they're after, I think the big change is that there seem to almost be troll farms on there, bucket shop operations probably in Russia or somewhere, that are more sophisticated and smart.

Regardless, the % of legit profiles (real girl, local, wanting an arrangement) has probably gone from 80% of the new profiles to about 30% of the new profiles in the last few years, so it's just harder.

Yeah. It's just easier to hit the girls up in the "real world. " Those same chicks are working in service industries, but you're going to have to chat them up some. I've seen other guys on here say the same thing.

[LongLasting]

I have had 2 SBs text me this week that showed an I'd. One was her real name. The other was a business. I assume the business one was using a company phone. The other must not know her name is showing because a quick check of her socials showed was 10 years older and fatter than her profile info. Also showed her very buff boyfriend that could whip my ass with one hand.

Very odd to see any I'd info in this hobby.

I'd stay away from anyone showing an I'd. It could be a scammer using a stolen I'd to convince you they are real when in fact they are setting you up. Then when you are convinced she is real, they will feed you a sob story about her pet dog who needs emergency surgery and ask you to send money site unseen. Another scam story is that her house got robbed or that she's getting evicted from her apartment. All classic scam stories.

[Walruscl]

This week I met up with my newest SB for a nice sushi dinner. We had done a meet and greet last week and she confirmed before last night's date that she was down to grab a hotel after dinner to add the physical aspect to our new friendship. The best part is that there was zero discussion of money. She is 5 foot nothing, slim, early 20's and a PhD candidate. She looks 18. She is light as a feather so I had a sh*t eating grin on my face as I was lifting her up and down on my cock like a fleshlight. This one is a keeper, just like a very horny girlfriend. We did every thing but anal, but I did not try for it. Uncovered everything, CIP.

That sounds a lot what I hope is the stage tomorrow night for a 2nd NSA dinner. After we had our first NSA (which could not have gone better from a personal-chemistry perspective), she is definitely more engaged in the texting conversations we have. She looks four years younger than her mid-20-something actual age, keeps herself very fit, and is adorable. She is all but broadcasting that she's basically game to tango, and that physical intimacy will be in the equation almost immediately.

Only thing we really need to work out is logistics and finances. My radar has not detected GPS, so hopefully that conversation will go smoothly, as she seems a keeper if we can come to agreeable terms.

That said, there's a ton of chaff to go through, much worse than when I was previously active. There are all these new twists to GPS now. Just this week a newly-created profile favorited me, then messaged me that I didn't have much on my profile, and that she didn't "have time to interview every guy on here". I was going to respond, but then saw her delete the favorite. So I did the same and just deleted the message. The next day she writes asking whether I'd updated my profile yet. So I decided to humor her by explaining my rationale for a short profile, and giving her some idea of my personality and that I saw potential based on her (lengthy) profile. I happened to put in the caveat that the distance might be an issue. She responds that other SD's wouldn't have any problem driving that far, and that she "could fly to Germany tomorrow" if the mood struck her.

Shortly thereafter she blocked me. Which is fine, no way was I going to put up with that level of "I'm doing you a favor by even talking to you" attitude.

Oh for the good old days.

[VeryBigBuck]

That might've worked then, but the site is nothing like it was 2 years ago. Using the app instead of the site means they just reply to messages and scroll through photos, even the legit ones first message is usually "what are you looking for" when you're profile clearly states exactly what you are seeking, so they're not even looking at the profile usually. As far as the scamsters their strategy is to cast a wide net, they know they're going to get 50 No's before they find a sucker. There's always been the individual girls thinking they can sell pics or find platonic or online only and those are easier to weed out because they'll tell you quickly what they're after, I think the big change is that there seem to almost be troll farms on there, bucket shop operations probably in Russia or somewhere, that are more sophisticated and smart.

Regardless, the % of legit profiles (real girl, local, wanting an arrangement) has probably gone from 80% of the new profiles to about 30% of the new profiles in the last few years, so it's just harder.

This week I met up with my newest SB for a nice sushi dinner. We had done a meet and greet last week and she confirmed before last night's date that she was down to grab a hotel after dinner to add the physical aspect to our new friendship. The best part is that there was zero discussion of money. She is 5 foot nothing, slim, early 20's and a PhD candidate. She looks 18. She is light as a feather so I had a sh*t eating grin on my face as I was lifting her up and down on my cock like a fleshlight. This one is a keeper, just like a very horny girlfriend. We did every thing but anal, but I did not try for it. Uncovered everything, CIP.

[TomDickNHarry]

Why not just put it on your profile that you aren't interested in any bullshit, online only or pic trades? Should keep the ones that pull that from bothering to reply or contact you in the first place.

I am not a current paid member, but a couple of years ago or so I had a pretty gruff (or to-the-point) profile and while I didn't get a ton of replies, I did rope a few good prospects. One of them lasted about 7 months until the crazy chick wanted to get married. LOL.

That might've worked then, but the site is nothing like it was 2 years ago. Using the app instead of the site means they just reply to messages and scroll through photos, even the legit ones first message is usually "what are you looking for" when you're profile clearly states exactly what you are seeking, so they're not even looking at the profile usually. As far as the scamsters their strategy is to cast a wide net, they know they're going to get 50 No's before they find a sucker. There's always been the individual girls thinking they can sell pics or find platonic or online only and those are easier to weed out because they'll tell you quickly what they're after, I think the big change is that there seem to almost be troll farms on there, bucket shop operations probably in Russia or somewhere, that are more sophisticated and smart.

Regardless, the % of legit profiles (real girl, local, wanting an arrangement) has probably gone from 80% of the new profiles to about 30% of the new profiles in the last few years, so it's just harder.

[CantWinLosin]

Why not just put it on your profile that you aren't interested in any bullshit, online only or pic trades? Should keep the ones that pull that from bothering to reply or contact you in the first place.

I've tried that. It doesn't work. My profile also clearly specifies that she must be very local, available days only and must host. I still get a lot of contacts from girls that don't match any of those criteria, and women from outside the USA Constantly favorite me. The 20-somethings just don't read - the Tinder-ization of this thing of ours.

[RogerOver]

This is true, the site is unrecognizable from even just a year ago and from 5 years ago is like another galaxy.

There needs to be pinned post at the top of the SA forum in every city saying not to buy pics, send anything upfront or send money of any kind electronically, that it's always a scam. What's gotten worse recently is that a few months ago there were a ton of profiles seeking online only so you could just ignore them, but the girls (or probably guys in some cases) have gotten much more sophisticated, probably out of necessity as they weren't finding enough suckers, errr customers. They now lead you to believe they're going to meet you sometime down the road, but just want to do the picture thing because they're out of town (or need to get paid for gas money or car being repaired or working doubles or some other lie). Meanwhile, she's not even in your town in reality and is only using the carrot of an eventual meeting to get you to buy her stupid pics. Refuse that and all of a sudden she needs gas money to get home and will come see you then.

Then, basically half the new profiles are platonic only, and they seem to mean it and think it's realistic. And all of this has to be a product of dumb guys actually doing it, no way so many would be seeking it and spending time on it with no success.

Still gems for sure on there, have found several in the last month alone, but it is taking twice the effort and time, and countless times conversations start promising to wind up like the above and figure out the person's not even real or within 500 miles. They now know not to lead off with their BS about pics but to get you talking b / c then you're more likely to consider doing it.

The only solution I have to smoke them out before wasting too much time (you unfortunately can't tell from the profiles) is to immediately push for meets. If she's fake, usually the excuses will start like the above and she'll move to the pictures and gas scams and everything else. If she's legit and actually wanting to do this, she will at least engage about that, and will never bring up sending money in advance or selling photos.

About a month ago, I started using this tactic. My first message is somewhat detailed showing I am serious, and respectful, but no BS is tolerated. And no online only stuff and pic trade, and sending money online. If I get a response, then I tell them only if they can meet me in person within a week, we should continue chatting. If not, they can message me when they are ready to meet within a week. Needless to say, more than 90% drop at that point. Girls who continue, I mostly had success meeting them. Going to FC is a different story. But, I weed out a very good bit of time wasters with this method.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Why not just put it on your profile that you aren't interested in any bullshit, online only or pic trades? Should keep the ones that pull that from bothering to reply or contact you in the first place.

I am not a current paid member, but a couple of years ago or so I had a pretty gruff (or to-the-point) profile and while I didn't get a ton of replies, I did rope a few good prospects. One of them lasted about 7 months until the crazy chick wanted to get married. LOL.

[DrSummer]

About a month ago, I started using this tactic. My first message is somewhat detailed showing I am serious, and respectful, but no BS is tolerated. And no online only stuff and pic trade, and sending money online. If I get a response, then I tell them only if they can meet me in person within a week, we should continue chatting. If not, they can message me when they are ready to meet within a week. Needless to say, more than 90% drop at that point. Girls who continue, I mostly had success meeting them. Going to FC is a different story. But, I weed out a very good bit of time wasters with this method.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

The only solution I have to smoke them out before wasting too much time (you unfortunately can't tell from the profiles) is to immediately push for meets. If she's fake, usually the excuses will start like the above and she'll move to the pictures and gas scams and everything else. If she's legit and actually wanting to do this, she will at least engage about that, and will never bring up sending money in advance or selling photos.

[TomDickNHarry]

This is true, the site is unrecognizable from even just a year ago and from 5 years ago is like another galaxy.

There needs to be pinned post at the top of the SA forum in every city saying not to buy pics, send anything upfront or send money of any kind electronically, that it's always a scam. What's gotten worse recently is that a few months ago there were a ton of profiles seeking online only so you could just ignore them, but the girls (or probably guys in some cases) have gotten much more sophisticated, probably out of necessity as they weren't finding enough suckers, errr customers. They now lead you to believe they're going to meet you sometime down the road, but just want to do the picture thing because they're out of town (or need to get paid for gas money or car being repaired or working doubles or some other lie). Meanwhile, she's not even in your town in reality and is only using the carrot of an eventual meeting to get you to buy her stupid pics. Refuse that and all of a sudden she needs gas money to get home and will come see you then.

Then, basically half the new profiles are platonic only, and they seem to mean it and think it's realistic. And all of this has to be a product of dumb guys actually doing it, no way so many would be seeking it and spending time on it with no success.

Still gems for sure on there, have found several in the last month alone, but it is taking twice the effort and time, and countless times conversations start promising to wind up like the above and figure out the person's not even real or within 500 miles. They now know not to lead off with their BS about pics but to get you talking b / c then you're more likely to consider doing it.

The only solution I have to smoke them out before wasting too much time (you unfortunately can't tell from the profiles) is to immediately push for meets. If she's fake, usually the excuses will start like the above and she'll move to the pictures and gas scams and everything else. If she's legit and actually wanting to do this, she will at least engage about that, and will never bring up sending money in advance or selling photos.

Hey brothers. I also posted this in the Atlanta thread, but curious to hear your thoughts as well.

Let me be clear. There are plenty of gems still on the site, but the amount of time I have invested this go round weeding out flakes and scammers has been insane. By now most veterans know the rules to spot the spammers and old BP pros (talk of time limits, in town for only one night, send me money before meeting, can you cover my gas money, my mother is having a major surgery, blah blah).

But what are some other methods you guys are using to weed out the flakes and scammers?

For me. I have started to ignore females with only one picture on their profile! Sure I might be missing out on some goodies. But what woman you know is comfortable with just ONE pic of themselves. On a dating app with plenty of competition? My experience has been. Mostly. That these one-picture girls have one foot in and one foot out. Not really seeking anything quickly and prefer a lot of back and forth dialogue over 5-6 days.

Be safe. Ripper.