Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

[Bsuh69]

It's funny how MCE has new seductive photos just recently after getting bad press on this website.

The new photos aren't going to deter hobbiest about how unfairly, and how bad you treat your girls, well for me it won't since I don't use them or any agencies for that manner.

I feel like this person isn't contributing anything useful, every post is agency bashing.

[TheBigA1]

Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.

They are not the same. A while back (before FOSTA / SESTA) a few MCE girls left that agency and showed up at Angelli's. There have been reports that Angelli's and EEC have merged but I can't confirm that.

[Bsuh69]

I surely don't want to give my personal information to these 18-21 year olds. Imagine having to get verified for each girl. I use agency becuase I like the one stop shop. When I was in Chicago I saw 8 MCE girls and 3 Angellis girls. I stopped using Agellis because of three reasons that instead of bashing Them, I simply don't book. Out of the 8 MCE girls that I saw, I kept hearing how strict they are with the rules. Be on time, provide your schedule early, hygiene and small items that to me seem like a good thing for US. I don't think that going independent is the solution but I can see clearly why WE would prefer that. I won't be a hypocrite and say I want them to be independent because it will be easier for them. It simply means we mongers will be opportunistic and advantageous of their independency. Bottom line don't use agencies if you don't like them.

Anyways.

I think you may have responded to the wrong post.

[Fun69]

Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.

I surely don't want to give my personal information to these 18-21 year olds. Imagine having to get verified for each girl. I use agency becuase I like the one stop shop. When I was in Chicago I saw 8 MCE girls and 3 Angellis girls. I stopped using Agellis because of three reasons that instead of bashing Them, I simply don't book. Out of the 8 MCE girls that I saw, I kept hearing how strict they are with the rules. Be on time, provide your schedule early, hygiene and small items that to me seem like a good thing for US. I don't think that going independent is the solution but I can see clearly why WE would prefer that. I won't be a hypocrite and say I want them to be independent because it will be easier for them. It simply means we mongers will be opportunistic and advantageous of their independency. Bottom line don't use agencies if you don't like them.

Anyways.

[Bsuh69]

I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.

Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.

[ChiCity01]

It's funny how MCE has new seductive photos just recently after getting bad press on this website.

The new photos aren't going to deter hobbiest about how unfairly, and how bad you treat your girls, well for me it won't since I don't use them or any agencies for that manner.

[ChiCity01]

I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.

That is why I totally use independents and SB now because of how MCE and Angelis treat their girls. As well as other agencies too. I want the girls I fuck to receive the full payment. The girls spread their legs, drink our cum, and take a full pounding, and lick our ass sometimes. The agency owners don't at all! So why should they get half doing NO sexual acts? If the MCE girls read this. Do yourself a favor and use P411, and RS2 k to be your own boss and get 100% profit.

[ChiCity01]

If the girls remain at the agency I would think it means they are happy so let's not be saviors or saints. I usually tip generously so whenever we feel their are victims of the agency, let's open our wallets and not just complain. I for one enjoy the variety and the option of having a one stop shop. The fact that two girls have told me they make 60% split means I don't know how many more. But how is this our business? When a girl cancelled on me last minute, there was a girl responding trying to accommodate for me. Who am I to question the value of the back end work that goes on. When something goes wrong, they juggle the drama and act accordingly. I think that if we can afford this extra curricular activity we most likely are busiensss men that need to understand the value of a business. Based on the agencies I use here in LA and in Chicago, the Good agencies seem to do things similar. I don't think I know more than them becuase it's not my industry expertise. Why do we complain here yet the girls all seem completely happy and work with the agencies voluntarily?

The girls can actually just work for themselves being on SA using R2 K or P411. Sure the girls are busy with school and such, but surely they can allocate time to send a request to p411 or RS2 K to verify a potential SD or client. Then allocate time to do a incall or outcall.

Those verification websites have been around for a long time. Why should the girls use agencies, being micro managed, have their pay cut short while the girls can be their own bosses and make all the profit? The girls are the business not the agencies. Without girls spreading their legs, there be no agencies because the girls makes up 99% of the clientele not the agencies, 1% comes from screening verification sites, or just screening.

To OFF Charlie, if SB are aware of P411 and RS2 K, that 200 $ ph can actually be 400 ph, double the yearly salary to 200 k. And who knows, there are girls that would fuck 60 year old men, you are just speculating. It may be hard on SA, but like you said, if the girls are in it for the $ they would fuck any age on SA.

[WallyMan]

This is good discussion. An agency is really no different than any business. If workers are not happy, then they leave. If customers are not happy, then they will stop using their service. An agency just like any business will either have to adopt/change or it will go out of business.

This kind of open discussion is good as I am sure all agencies monitor this site. Constructive feedbacks are good for everyone.

I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.

[Fun69]

Companies make more than 60% profit. How does that help the girls that spread their legs and do all the physical work?

Perhaps they should be getting 60% or more in return. 2 girls make more than agency? How is that fair for the other girls?

If the girls remain at the agency I would think it means they are happy so let's not be saviors or saints. I usually tip generously so whenever we feel their are victims of the agency, let's open our wallets and not just complain. I for one enjoy the variety and the option of having a one stop shop. The fact that two girls have told me they make 60% split means I don't know how many more. But how is this our business? When a girl cancelled on me last minute, there was a girl responding trying to accommodate for me. Who am I to question the value of the back end work that goes on. When something goes wrong, they juggle the drama and act accordingly. I think that if we can afford this extra curricular activity we most likely are busiensss men that need to understand the value of a business. Based on the agencies I use here in LA and in Chicago, the Good agencies seem to do things similar. I don't think I know more than them becuase it's not my industry expertise. Why do we complain here yet the girls all seem completely happy and work with the agencies voluntarily?

[TheBigA1]

They make them pay for the room too.

Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.

It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.

It's a boner killer for me.

They also share the rooms with other girls so the cost is shared somewhat. It also explains why they use a timer for session length. The next girl needs the room to get ready for her appointment.

[ChiCity01]

I am certain that just like the company I work for, there is more back end work that we don't know or see to deliver a product or service. We say 50% split is unfair but in a regular business, the companies always make more than 60% of the profits. I also know that two girls have told me that they get higher cut than the agency. And finally, multiple girls have told me that the Agency pays for the rooms.

I am new to Chicago agencies and I started using that agency more than the other one based on how good you all spoke of them. I find it confusing how we all know that their strictness is for our benefits but want to rant. Please show me a perfect agency and I will give them my money.

Companies make more than 60% profit. How does that help the girls that spread their legs and do all the physical work?

Perhaps they should be getting 60% or more in return. 2 girls make more than agency? How is that fair for the other girls?

[Fun69]

I'm with you, Charlie, on all your points. These young girls could never make the kind of money they do going solo because they lack the savvy, ambition and resources for screening, etc. Not that there weren't young solo young hot hoofers in the Good Olde Days, but since the tightened restrictions in the name of trafficking, screening has become a much bigger deal than it ever was, it's less possible to go it alone for these young ones. It's just that agencies McDonald's-like efficiency takes its toll by depriving the hobby of some of the spontaneity and fun. These gals are scared stiff of MCE bosses and except for some of their top money makers, need to live up to assembly line standards or risk getting canned. Even their most popular gals jump when their cell phone timers go off at EXACTLY the one hour mark. Some fun ain't it?

Phone rings and they jump to respond. Very true. Would you say that the girls want extra time with us and that They woud totally hang out with us for free? They jump because of fear and not because time is money?

[Fun69]

They make them pay for the room too.

Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.

It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.

It's a boner killer for me.

I am certain that just like the company I work for, there is more back end work that we don't know or see to deliver a product or service. We say 50% split is unfair but in a regular business, the companies always make more than 60% of the profits. I also know that two girls have told me that they get higher cut than the agency. And finally, multiple girls have told me that the Agency pays for the rooms.

I am new to Chicago agencies and I started using that agency more than the other one based on how good you all spoke of them. I find it confusing how we all know that their strictness is for our benefits but want to rant. Please show me a perfect agency and I will give them my money.

[OF Charlie]

They make them pay for the room too.

Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.

It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.

It's a boner killer for me.

This is good discussion. An agency is really no different than any business. If workers are not happy, then they leave. If customers are not happy, then they will stop using their service. An agency just like any business will either have to adopt/change or it will go out of business.

This kind of open discussion is good as I am sure all agencies monitor this site. Constructive feedbacks are good for everyone.