"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Kwagmire]

Speaking of that, did anyone else noticed the site's hostname has changed from seekingarrangement.com to just seeking.com, and the logo at the top of the pages now just says "Seeking" also? They must've decided the word "arrangement" exposed them to legal risk.

I just logged in and got a pop-up notice about how they've combined the "lifestyle expectation" figures they used to publish (open, minimal, practical, etc.) into the "tag system." However, now, the tag system doesn't include "sugar daddy" or "sugar baby", and any and all references to, or that imply a sugar lifestyle have been removed.

I predict seeking.com devolves into a standard dating site for girls looking for rich guys, rather than girls looking for a true sugar relationship where both parties trade the sugar they have for the sugar they're looking for.

It will be interesting to see if the site begins banning (or not approving) members for wording in their profiles that implies an openness to "generous behavior" or "offering support" or "accepting support and mentor-ship" and the like. It would make sense that they will do this eventually, as they're obviously making changes to accommodate FOSTA / SESTA.

If they continue on this path, it will become increasingly difficult or impossible for them to justify their exorbitant monthly fees. I think it's beginning already with the shift to recurring billing -- they're obviously attempting to make up for lost revenue by relying on those of us who forget or are too lazy to cancel billing once we've gotten a bunch of contact info to set up M&Gs.

They should just move the site offshore, as one other esteemed webmaster we all know has done.

[FafaFooey]

Does a new account on the app get the introductory offer of a week at small $? Still? I can't take a month, I get too immersed, but I am traveling to Boston, would love some company over my 3 nights away from the SO.

Nope. Its one flat monthly price that they want to set up as a recurring charge. I was a huge fan of the 2-week price in the old iPhone app and also found it very easy to renew using iTunes gift cards loaded to a dummy iTunes account. Now full price and a real credit card are the only option, although some claim that the Vanilla Visa gift cards now work so I suppose one anonymous option remains.

[JZLizard]

Hey all,

Is anyone else noticing an increase of 'older' women (by older I mean 30's and above) on SA treating this as a traditional dating site? My usual demographic is college age girls, but while waiting for the fall season to begin I've recently contacted (or been contacted by) several hot milfs and the last three I've met in as many weeks after a coffee and a little witty banter they have all led straight to the FC with Zero financial expectations. They have jobs and don't want / need the money, they either see it as Tinder (FWB) or Match (relationship) with an established guy.

Has it always been this way or did I just luck into a string of horny established milfs on SA? I'm still after the younger girls BTW haha.

Unless SA starts releasing analytic data, measuring any trend uptick (milfs or otherwise) would be difficult. Aside from maybe patterns caused by cyclical university schedules as it applies to the 18-24 age group, I suspect observations of peaks and valleys are anecdotal, depend on what city you're in, and that mileage would vary greatly depending on who you ask. Also those of us who travel & play in multiple cities, we may not notice as many peaks and valleys as someone more focused on a specific city or area -- rather our perceptions of observable trends get distributed over a larger space.

Speaking overall, on SA there's never been a shortage of 30+ types in search of casual dating, or not so casual dating (relationships), often who already have a nice job, and while they are more attracted to successful men than deadbeats (duh), have no intention of seeking financial help from an SD. If I didn't have my SO, I would banging these like it was a factory assembly line. The observation I've made though is that after about 26-27 years old, they are a little too focused on the "boyfriend" aspect for my tastes, and that's one reason I prefer booking M&Gs with the younger crowd. Over 25+ they seem to get a little too curious about who I am as a person, and generally too close for comfort, considering my current LTR is important to me.

[BlueFalcon123]

I recently reconnected with an SB. I guess I'm on her "Good" list. Chatting with her, we agree to $ For B. B. Fun at her place. Late 20's slim body. She has a roommate that wanted to watch. Fine with me! When we got together the next day, roommate is a bit older but still pretty. I decided to watch them first. Haha. Hot, hot, hot. I got the still bang my SB, but not the roommate. Daty, Mish, doggie. I still got to full access to roam the roommates body with my hands. It's a sight to have two gals go at it and jump in. Nothing will top this value.

[Zcochran00]

Speaking of that, did anyone else noticed the site's hostname has changed from seekingarrangement.com to just seeking.com, and the logo at the top of the pages now just says "Seeking" also? They must've decided the word "arrangement" exposed them to legal risk.

I bet they're still paying AdWords for the term "seeking arrangement", though.

Yep, and the tagline is now "Dating on Your Terms" or something like that.

[Member #6951]

Hey all,

Is anyone else noticing an increase of 'older' women (by older I mean 30's and above) on SA treating this as a traditional dating site? My usual demographic is college age girls, but while waiting for the fall season to begin I've recently contacted (or been contacted by) several hot milfs and the last three I've met in as many weeks after a coffee and a little witty banter they have all led straight to the FC with Zero financial expectations. They have jobs and don't want / need the money, they either see it as Tinder (FWB) or Match (relationship) with an established guy.

Has it always been this way or did I just luck into a string of horny established milfs on SA? I'm still after the younger girls BTW haha.

Yaya.

There has always been this subset in varying ages, and it could pick up if it morphs to a more traditional dating site. Just remember: you aren't paying for them to come. You're paying for them to leave.

[UKnowWho]

If lots of people say "arrangements" can be platonic-only, then it's a mostly valid way to use the term.

Speaking of that, did anyone else noticed the site's hostname has changed from seekingarrangement.com to just seeking.com, and the logo at the top of the pages now just says "Seeking" also? They must've decided the word "arrangement" exposed them to legal risk.

I bet they're still paying AdWords for the term "seeking arrangement", though.

[UKnowWho]

Am I wrong? I thought that SA used to delete profiles of women who wanted online only. Now it is a lifestyle choice from the drop down menu.

That's weird, because it's still there as one of the options you can report a profile for (see attached).

I report girls for that whenever I see it mentioned in their profile.

[YayaGogo]

Hey all,

Is anyone else noticing an increase of 'older' women (by older I mean 30's and above) on SA treating this as a traditional dating site? My usual demographic is college age girls, but while waiting for the fall season to begin I've recently contacted (or been contacted by) several hot milfs and the last three I've met in as many weeks after a coffee and a little witty banter they have all led straight to the FC with Zero financial expectations. They have jobs and don't want / need the money, they either see it as Tinder (FWB) or Match (relationship) with an established guy.

Has it always been this way or did I just luck into a string of horny established milfs on SA? I'm still after the younger girls BTW haha.

Yaya.

[Zcochran00]

Am I wrong? I thought that SA used to delete profiles of women who wanted online only. Now it is a lifestyle choice from the drop down menu. When did that happen. I am increasingly seeing profiles that say online only. That is also going to mislead people.

Bam.

I'm sure part of that is SA trying to pivot a bit to protect themselves. I suppose it's also kind of like the way people change the meaning of words over time. If the dictionary says a word means "X", but everyone uses it as if it means "why", what does it actually mean? If lots of people say "arrangements" can be platonic-only, then it's a mostly valid way to use the term. (Doesn't mean I like or agree with the usage, of course.).

[BamBam]

In my experience some will use the platonic-only as a cover for when they get found out but for many (the majority?) they actually mean it. For those that mean it I think it stems from a lack of life experience where they truly believe that they are special and that a mature guy with his life together would pay her to sit there and eat a fancy dinner. Also, it costs them nothing to join the site so what do they have to loose by going fishing in a pond with no fish? Most men will totally ignore them and they'll get a handful of messages but in the end they'll leave the site after a few weeks empty-handed.

As a guy it costs you nothing to message "platonic-only" but the odds of a payoff are very low.

Am I wrong? I thought that SA used to delete profiles of women who wanted online only. Now it is a lifestyle choice from the drop down menu. When did that happen. I am increasingly seeing profiles that say online only. That is also going to mislead people.

Bam.

[EvilTmp]

I have never seen this girl nor experienced her in person but I can positively tell you that no, she is not worth 500/ hr. There are maybe 10 girls in the country who are worth that but a girl that scams guys is absolutely not one of them. You're welcome.

So is she worth the 500?.

[EvilTmp]

In my experience some will use the platonic-only as a cover for when they get found out but for many (the majority?) they actually mean it. For those that mean it I think it stems from a lack of life experience where they truly believe that they are special and that a mature guy with his life together would pay her to sit there and eat a fancy dinner. Also, it costs them nothing to join the site so what do they have to loose by going fishing in a pond with no fish? Most men will totally ignore them and they'll get a handful of messages but in the end they'll leave the site after a few weeks empty-handed.

As a guy it costs you nothing to message "platonic-only" but the odds of a payoff are very low.

I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED!

[BStreet]

So is she worth the 500?.

https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/8120388.htm?cat=1

This one used to be in Richmond, banged her bareback 3 or 4 times, last time I met her she took advantage of my trust in her and got $$$ for rent said she was running behind and never got anything from it.

Now she is on Eros turned into a pro.

Really hot girl loves to watch porn during.

[JZLizard]

I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED!

Yes, that's it exactly. It gives them an out if someone spots them. It also gives them extra ammo if a guy they don't like presses them for sex and they don't want to (they can say "well I put in my profile that's not what I'm looking for").

Women learn at a very young age to employ any tactic available to preempt any suspicion or rumor of promiscuity, even if not all of them choose to use those tactics.

However, I learned at a very early age that ALL women, regardless of how hot, or what age, what level of sexual experience or what status in life are fuck-able if you can find the right buttons to push when pouring on the charm.