"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[TomDickNHarry]

I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED!

I've absolutely converted some of the "platonic only" profiles into the FC, but what I heard from each of them is that it was in the profile only as a way to weed out creeps. Though I didn't hear it from any of those gals, no question your theory could be another reason someone puts up a profile of that type despite being open to an intimate situation.

Have to say though, unfortunately there has been a major change in the last year or two in that there are large numbers of girls who believe that platonic is feasible and so platonic only has become meaning truly platonic, in like 80% of these profiles. SA has really pushed the platonic thing in its marketing to draw more girls (more girls of any type gets more guys who pay) but even more of the shift is that there are clearly guys out there paying for platonic meets, at least the newbies before they figure out they're being taken for a ride. Now while I still think an actual ONGOING platonic situation is a virtual unicorn, what definitely does exist in larger numbers than before is the professional M&Ger. Guys have started foolishly paying for the pleasure of buying dinner for these girls, not only when requested but even nonrequested, and so many of these girls have come to realize you can make good money just doing that. As a result you even have profiles that don't say "platonic only" who really are also just trying to get free dinners and donations for nothing. Met one this weekend clearly up to that.

So I wouldn't necessarily completely dismiss a profile that says platonic only, but unlike the past unless I'm really drawn to it for some reason I won't bother because it's seldom anymore do they not actually mean it.

[S2568]

https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/8120388.htm?cat=1

This one used to be in Richmond, banged her bareback 3 or 4 times, last time I met her she took advantage of my trust in her and got $$$ for rent said she was running behind and never got anything from it.

Now she is on Eros turned into a pro.

Really hot girl loves to watch porn during.

[Kwagmire]

The clique and rumor-fear issue sometimes follows them to college. I've had some that proudly introduced me to their high school friends as their date, yet others who will tell me they want to avoid going out to hot spots on on certain nights because it's college night and her friends will see her and know what's up.

I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED!

[JZLizard]

It's funny how we (myself included) generally see high school girls as too young but these same girls are fair game as soon mom and dad drop them off at college 3 months later. By September, SA will be overflowing with 18 yo SBs looking for daddy; freshman girl is my favorite dessert for fall.

We typically don't see them on SA when in legal-but-still-in-high-school-status for two reasons. Mainly, high school means they're still under their parent's roof, so dating activity is still scrutinized. Also, while still subject to the cliques of high school and the associated rumor mill, in many cases it would be their worst nightmare for the people they went to prom with, and whom they plan to see at their 20 year reunion, to know they are banging a guy in his 50's, at least in their hometown.

Once they leave the nest for college, their entire perspective on this changes -- they are set free in a new town where they don't know as many people, and their mindset has also shifted from dependency on parents to exploring the other side of life -- those two factors form a beautiful situation. After all, isn't the whole reason mom and dad are paying tuition to help her build independence? I'm always happy to help with that. LOL.

The clique and rumor-fear issue sometimes follows them to college. I've had some that proudly introduced me to their high school friends as their date, yet others who will tell me they want to avoid going out to hot spots on on certain nights because it's college night and her friends will see her and know what's up. It's all good to me.

[FarFarAway]

Apple removed the SA app (and at least one other similar one) from the app store around the time FOSTA / SESTA was enacted. Guess their lawyers felt there may have been some liability there.

You can still access it on an Apple mobile device through the web (Safari or other web browser).

Does a new account on the app get the introductory offer of a week at small $? Still? I can't take a month, I get too immersed, but I am traveling to Boston, would love some company over my 3 nights away from the SO.

[Kwagmire]

My Brothers,

I can't seem to find the SA app in the Apple App Store. Does it no longer exist for IOS? I can find it in Google Play, but don't have a device that is compatible. I know just enough about computers to screw things up, so if any of you can help, you will need to explain it as if you were talking to a fourth grader!

Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work!

Scott.

Apple removed the SA app (and at least one other similar one) from the app store around the time FOSTA / SESTA was enacted. Guess their lawyers felt there may have been some liability there.

You can still access it on an Apple mobile device through the web (Safari or other web browser).

[F Scott]

My Brothers,

I can't seem to find the SA app in the Apple App Store. Does it no longer exist for IOS? I can find it in Google Play, but don't have a device that is compatible. I know just enough about computers to screw things up, so if any of you can help, you will need to explain it as if you were talking to a fourth grader!

Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work!

Scott.

[TomDickNHarry]

It's not going to workout that way 99% of the time. I have hardline rules of my own I follow and I do not divert from them, ever. Your scenario is what creates what I term, "serial meet and greeters" They go on dates and get slipped a few hundred here and there and realize it's easier them actually ever going to the FC and they just do that. NEVER and I repeat NEVER, pay a girl for a drink or dinner date. UNLESS, that is truly your thing and that is what you want. IE, you're too old or a medical condition keeps you from performing and you just want a woman's company. But suggesting you're showing good faith for the future? No offense my brother, but these girls will laugh at you as they walk out of the dinner date with your cash.

I fully agree with this. There are now professional meet and greeters on there, which didn't even exist when I started on SA years ago. This creates the exact wrong incentive. I will on occasion do very small things, like a gift card ($40 or less) or $20 for gas for the true newbies where I really like them, that to me is a show of good faith but more important it's thoughtful, and if it's the kind of girl I'm looking for (sweet, responsible, eager to please) it will mean as much if not more to her than some money. If you're looking for a carrot this is much more of one than basically giving her part or all of what she would be getting for the actual FC because it shows that you're sincere and gets her thinking that there's more where that came from.

The only good news is that once this has happened to girls a few times and they make the decision to become a professional M&Ger, they'll ask upfront so you can pretty easily weed them out (which is an absolute NEXT in my book). But it's really unfortunate that people meet them early on and create that expectation in the first place, girls that might otherwise become good SBs go this route. That, along with guys who buy pics and videos, or send money electronically, have really degraded the site from what it was even 2 or 3 years ago.

One last thing which I say with 100% confidence, by the time near the end of the meal when the guy slides an envelope of unrequested cash over, the girl had long since decided if she intends to FC or even see him again. And that envelope will absolutely NEVER change a "No" to a "Yes. " If it's a No, then she walks out with his cash thinking at least I didn't waste my time, and hey I should probably start asking to be paid to let guys buy me dinner all the time. If it was Yes, then you'll eventually get her to the FC, but it won't be that night since she already got her reward. Bottom line don't let them catch the rabbit before the finish line.

[Tidad]

It's funny how we (myself included) generally see high school girls as too young but these same girls are fair game as soon mom and dad drop them off at college 3 months later. By September, SA will be overflowing with 18 yo SBs looking for daddy; freshman girl is my favorite dessert for fall.

[JustLonely]

I've found the same thing since the start of summer but I wasn't on the site last year so I'm not sure if this is part of the normal cycle. I'm starting to look in Va Beach hoping that it's different there.

I have had good luck in VA Beach. Although with the 2 major road projects on 64 this year, I haven't been down since the winter. Summertime traffic is too heavy and it is very time consuming to see anyone there if you are driving from Richmond.

Generally speaking I get more replies from my initial messages from women down there. My target group are waitresses over 21. A lot are working short shifts and need the extra cash and don't seem as finicky about seeing older men. Also moms in Chesapeake are a good bet. Everyone I have taken to the Amber Lantern restaurant on the the Elizabeth River for a M & G has went straight to the FC for dessert. Unfortunately with a SO back home I usually have to find someone with daytime availability. Those rare occasions when the SO goes to Roanoke to see family is when I can do the dinner dates.

[BStreet]

https://www.seeking.com/member/c39b0...9-ede580e682b8, open relationship, like hubby to watch.

[RVASpider]

I've had several "gals" want to share pictures and videos for cash but now they expect cash for texting? Good grief.

I'm curious though brother mongers, has the site changed a bit this summer or is this just a normal thing that happens this time of year? I mean, when I get the SBs to texting, we quickly come to an agreement on moving forward or cutting bait. But for the past month, I just seem to be attracting SBs that just want to text every once in awhile but can't seem to commit to meeting. I hope this is an anomaly because I'm getting pissed at all the time wasters.

I've found the same thing since the start of summer but I wasn't on the site last year so I'm not sure if this is part of the normal cycle. I'm starting to look in Va Beach hoping that it's different there.

[CoolPix]

I'm talking to one now who I thought I was going to meet yesterday. She bailed and now wants me to pay her $50 before we meet at Starbucks. Hot blonde college student. She said she has several guys from the site paying her just to text. I told her that she's a lucky girl. I've got plenty of cash set aside to spend on good times but I'm not overpaying even though it seems like there are plenty of SDs driving up the prices. Two more weeks and we should see the girls coming back to school.

I've had several "gals" want to share pictures and videos for cash but now they expect cash for texting? Good grief.

I'm curious though brother mongers, has the site changed a bit this summer or is this just a normal thing that happens this time of year? I mean, when I get the SBs to texting, we quickly come to an agreement on moving forward or cutting bait. But for the past month, I just seem to be attracting SBs that just want to text every once in awhile but can't seem to commit to meeting. I hope this is an anomaly because I'm getting pissed at all the time wasters.

[RVASpider]

Yikes! I think I will join RVA Spider and wait on the coeds comings in a few weeks. Need to get to them before they start reading the SA Blog for Women and get GPS.

I'm talking to one now who I thought I was going to meet yesterday. She bailed and now wants me to pay her $50 before we meet at Starbucks. Hot blonde college student. She said she has several guys from the site paying her just to text. I told her that she's a lucky girl. I've got plenty of cash set aside to spend on good times but I'm not overpaying even though it seems like there are plenty of SDs driving up the prices. Two more weeks and we should see the girls coming back to school.

[JustLonely]

I don't know where. But she quoted me 5 bills before those panties hit the floor.

Yikes! I think I will join RVA Spider and wait on the coeds comings in a few weeks. Need to get to them before they start reading the SA Blog for Women and get GPS.