"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[DrSummer]

Well, I didn't go to FC with her. Just had a dinner with her. She told me this just 3 hrs before we planned to hit the FC first time.

Dr. S.

Whether or not I believed her would depend on how she told me. If she told me in a manner that demonstrated some concern for me since she would have potentially exposed me to the STD, then I'd be more likely to believe her. If she didn't, I'd ask to see the test results "before contacting my doctor" - her response (or lack of it) to that request would confirm the suspicions, or not.

[CoolPix]

I still think the number of truly wealthy guys on SA is infinitely small. If a wealthy guy is that concerned with discretion he'll use one of the many very well established escort agency whose whole reason for being is supplying 9's and 10's for big bucks or something like striper bars. And that bartender at the restaurant, the thousand (or two) a pop she gets is a bit to drop her panties and very much so to keep her mouth shut. We're not talking about dating here but a sugar scenario.

All this to say that when all these girls on SA claim they're used to getting big big bucks I know it's a lie every single time.

I think this is spot on. If I'm wealthy, and I'm not, I'm going with a very well established high end escort service that is going to guarantee me nothing but 10's who are going to make me believe they are in love with me. I'm certainly not on SA. I'm not convinced that any of the "10's" that are on the site are real women. The two that sought me out were scammers. I may be wrong, but one man's 5 is another man's 10!

[FarFarAway]

I still think the number of truly wealthy guys on SA is infinitely small. If a wealthy guy is that concerned with discretion he'll use one of the many very well established escort agency whose whole reason for being is supplying 9's and 10's for big bucks or something like striper bars. And that bartender at the restaurant, the thousand (or two) a pop she gets is a bit to drop her panties and very much so to keep her mouth shut. We're not talking about dating here but a sugar scenario.

All this to say that when all these girls on SA claim they're used to getting big big bucks I know it's a lie every single time.

There is another discriminating feature, married or not. If I were single and had all my current assets, I would be like a kid in a candy store, I would have a grand old time w / SBs. Some have said you can get pretty much anyone on the site for 500 per. However, w / a SO, there are many limitations, including hiding the $ drain. Splitting up isn't a solution because the assets aren't what they were. And, I am confident an escort agency could not provide me what I have gotten from some amazing SBs I have been lucky enough to meet and am still friendly with.

[FarFarAway]

I haven't had much luck finding sustaining SBs on the site lately. I have had several one-and-dones. I started going back to girls I was seeing last summer, multiple times, but no contact for many months. Much to my pleasant surprise, two were receptive, I will re-M&G with them next week. One a mid-20's volleyball player, another a 21 YO honor student (1/3 my age), both submissive. Anyone have similar experience w / retreads?

[BlueFalcon123]

Anyone know where this one is dancing? She has not responded to my inquiry.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bb29f...5-1e979363c2b0

I don't know where. But she quoted me 5 bills before those panties hit the floor.

[JustLonely]

Anyone know where this one is dancing? She has not responded to my inquiry.

https://www.seeking.com/member/bb29f...5-1e979363c2b0

[Ernest Ll]

The truly wealthy don't have the time it takes to find the gems on SA. Their time is worth more than any woman's they could find on the site.

So other than just sharing a photo and saying "ill give you $1000 to spend the night as my sex slave" I don't see them spending the time on it.

[EvilTmp]

I still think the number of truly wealthy guys on SA is infinitely small. If a wealthy guy is that concerned with discretion he'll use one of the many very well established escort agency whose whole reason for being is supplying 9's and 10's for big bucks or something like striper bars. And that bartender at the restaurant, the thousand (or two) a pop she gets is a bit to drop her panties and very much so to keep her mouth shut. We're not talking about dating here but a sugar scenario.

All this to say that when all these girls on SA claim they're used to getting big big bucks I know it's a lie every single time.

I'm sure there are wealthy men on SA for the reasons you describe. It makes sense to remain anonymous, discreet and find variety.

I know a very wealthy guy that hangs out at strip clubs. He throws ridiculous money to have strippers spend private time with him at his condo. The girls know he is a big spender, likes variety and won't get attached. For many of the girls it's ideal when they are in a pinch and need quick funds. Like a safety net. He's not the best looking guy, is arrogant and controlling, but the girls aren't looking for a relationship. I know he is also on SA.

When girls on SA tell me about big money their last SD gave them, I ask them why it didn't last. I tell them I'm fortunate I haven't had to pay that much and have had several succesful arrangements last over a year. I either peak their interest or quickly filter out GPS.

[Madaboutmax]

I'm sure there are wealthy men on SA for the reasons you describe. It makes sense to remain anonymous, discreet and find variety.

I know a very wealthy guy that hangs out at strip clubs. He throws ridiculous money to have strippers spend private time with him at his condo. The girls know he is a big spender, likes variety and won't get attached. For many of the girls it's ideal when they are in a pinch and need quick funds. Like a safety net. He's not the best looking guy, is arrogant and controlling, but the girls aren't looking for a relationship. I know he is also on SA.

I've had some of the same strippers offer to spend time with me for 1/5th what he pays them. They consider me charming, attractive, down to earth and not creepy or psycho. I think girls on SA are a lot the same. You don't have to compete with the "rich guys" because they are often one and done, boring, arrogant, controlling and unattractive. If not, they get so much pussy they can't handle it all.

A lot of girls will give you credit for appearance, confidence, maturity, personality, sanity and sexual skills.

When girls on SA tell me about big money their last SD gave them, I ask them why it didn't last. I tell them I'm fortunate I haven't had to pay that much and have had several succesful arrangements last over a year. I either peak their interest or quickly filter out GPS.

That's certainly true, for some. The problem with the Country Club Scenario and others like it is that it's indiscreet; the club is populated with people who know them from the outside world - work, friends, church, etc. - and all the risks that brings. For some men, that's not a concern. But for many it is. Do it in a southern bible-belt area like here, and the risks go up.

I know through family connections a top exec for one of the Big 3 auto makers. He's ridiculously wealthy, socially very active, and could play the scenario you describe with impunity. Yet he's on SA. Why? Discretion, variety, the thrill of the chase, and being able to cut all ties when the time comes. (You score the bartender at the country club, cool, but when you're done with her, you still have to see her every time you play a round of golf or attend a fundraiser, and she could talk shit about you to others who personally know you. Awkward.).

There are rich men on SA. Not many, but they're there. It's just that, for a multitude of reasons, they're very rare, and the smaller and more backwater the area, the fewer there are as a percentage of the total number of men in the bowl for that area.

[CantWinLosin]

In my humble opinion the big spenders are not and have never been on SA. Even in LA of NYC the really big fish are not browsing the ads for their next $10 k a month side piece. Any guy worth tens of mils will find more than enough girls and better girls just going to expensive restaurants, country clubs, golf courses, marinas, and other every day activities. Keep in mind those businesses run with the help of hundreds of young women being hostesses, answering phone, serving food, and doing the thousands of jobs needing to be done. For anyone looking for a SB in that environment it's going to be a piece of cake.

Any tall tale of super spendy SDs on SA is going to be met by a serious doubt on my part...

That's certainly true, for some. The problem with the Country Club Scenario and others like it is that it's indiscreet; the club is populated with people who know them from the outside world - work, friends, church, etc. - and all the risks that brings. For some men, that's not a concern. But for many it is. Do it in a southern bible-belt area like here, and the risks go up.

I know through family connections a top exec for one of the Big 3 auto makers. He's ridiculously wealthy, socially very active, and could play the scenario you describe with impunity. Yet he's on SA. Why? Discretion, variety, the thrill of the chase, and being able to cut all ties when the time comes. (You score the bartender at the country club, cool, but when you're done with her, you still have to see her every time you play a round of golf or attend a fundraiser, and she could talk shit about you to others who personally know you. Awkward.).

There are rich men on SA. Not many, but they're there. It's just that, for a multitude of reasons, they're very rare, and the smaller and more backwater the area, the fewer there are as a percentage of the total number of men in the bowl for that area.

[BStreet]

Too risky, I am sure there are some that it could work with but I have not found one yet who was not okay wth receiving the cash after the FC fun.

The plain truth is that for the right girl most guys on the site would be thrilled to provide any type of allowance she desires. However the girls that are on there to scam, lie, steal are the vast majority and you simply cannot give them the benefit of the doubt until you know for sure who you're dealing with. You can bet your bottom dollar that any girl that asks for a monthly allowance up-front is going to ghost you. Same for someone you've seen that asks for an advance as she triple-promises to make it up to you later (yeah right).

So yeah, there are a few good ones on there but it's a game of needle in a haystack.

[RogerOver]

In my humble opinion the big spenders are not and have never been on SA. Even in LA of NYC the really big fish are not browsing the ads for their next $10 k a month side piece. Any guy worth tens of mils will find more than enough girls and better girls just going to expensive restaurants, country clubs, golf courses, marinas, and other every day activities. Keep in mind those businesses run with the help of hundreds of young women being hostesses, answering phone, serving food, and doing the thousands of jobs needing to be done. For anyone looking for a SB in that environment it's going to be a piece of cake.

Any tall tale of super spendy SDs on SA is going to be met by a serious doubt on my part...

Where is the fucking "Like" button around here??

I would add that "hostesses" in the country clubs are likely to be daughters of some of the members. I'd challenge anyone to go down to Sawgrass PGH and check the hostesses out. Those chicks come from money. In the kitchen, waitress or behind the bar? Open season.

[EvilTmp]

In my humble opinion the big spenders are not and have never been on SA. Even in LA of NYC the really big fish are not browsing the ads for their next $10 k a month side piece. Any guy worth tens of mils will find more than enough girls and better girls just going to expensive restaurants, country clubs, golf courses, marinas, and other every day activities. Keep in mind those businesses run with the help of hundreds of young women being hostesses, answering phone, serving food, and doing the thousands of jobs needing to be done. For anyone looking for a SB in that environment it's going to be a piece of cake.

Any tall tale of super spendy SDs on SA is going to be met by a serious doubt on my part...

There are places that can support that sort of SB culture, but they're few and far between. Not every town is LA, DC, NYC or Chicago; in most places, few men have the financial wherewithal to live that lifestyle, and their number is made much smaller by the nature of the location. Here in RIC, for example: at the end of the day, this is still a relatively small, southern, bible-belt town, and even those with the means and desire to support a SB in that kind of lavish lifestyle worry about the social / family / business aspects of being seen out on the town with arm candy. And the competition for those few men is stiff.

As for why they're always looking: being a full-time SB is essentially a cashflow-based sales business. They have to keep the pipeline filled with prospects, because guys are falling out the other end of the pipe all the time. Barroness and those like her know that any of their current mealtickets can bail on them at any time, so they're constantly working to find new meat even when their schedule is full, and thet're adept at keeping guys on the hook until they can fit them into the rotation. Their lifestyle becomes a take on the 1st Gas Law: the outgo always expands to consume all the available income. But they get very accustomed / addicted to it when times are fat, and want to make very sure the lean times are kept at bay.

Sooner or later, time and gravity catches up to us all. And while some may have truly been smart and packed away a great nestegg for the golden years, those are really few and far between. My bet is that sooner or later, you'll find most of the Barroness' of this world behind the counter at Wawa because their looks and figure are gone and they have no skills or work history to draw on for finding anything better. (Well, if Barroness really has the education and experience she claims, she will probably do OK. Most won't.).

[CantWinLosin]

". So you know I was the keynote speaker at the Sugarbaby Summit in April, speaking as a sex and relationship therapist. ".

It's women like this that contribute to the GPS frenzy. She speaks to other potential SBs and promotes her style of being an SB.

I've read Blogs where women justify being an SB as a "full time legitimate job". They spend lots of time and money making themselves look good and polishing their social skills to attract "a real SD". They promote "knowing your worth" and not accepting less. They discuss how to avoid the "intimacy issue" by hinting at future intimacy. They claim to create great experiences for their SD's, but yet are actively searching for a new SD every day.

I've asked the question: If you are creating such a great experience why are you looking for a new SD everyday and not having ongoing arrangements with your SD?

Much of what attracts many girls to the site is the promise of Big Fish that are willing to spend lots of money and won't expect intimacy (or at least can be held at bay with unfulfilled promises of intimacy).

There are places that can support that sort of SB culture, but they're few and far between. Not every town is LA, DC, NYC or Chicago; in most places, few men have the financial wherewithal to live that lifestyle, and their number is made much smaller by the nature of the location. Here in RIC, for example: at the end of the day, this is still a relatively small, southern, bible-belt town, and even those with the means and desire to support a SB in that kind of lavish lifestyle worry about the social / family / business aspects of being seen out on the town with arm candy. And the competition for those few men is stiff.

As for why they're always looking: being a full-time SB is essentially a cashflow-based sales business. They have to keep the pipeline filled with prospects, because guys are falling out the other end of the pipe all the time. Barroness and those like her know that any of their current mealtickets can bail on them at any time, so they're constantly working to find new meat even when their schedule is full, and thet're adept at keeping guys on the hook until they can fit them into the rotation. Their lifestyle becomes a take on the 1st Gas Law: the outgo always expands to consume all the available income. But they get very accustomed / addicted to it when times are fat, and want to make very sure the lean times are kept at bay.

Sooner or later, time and gravity catches up to us all. And while some may have truly been smart and packed away a great nestegg for the golden years, those are really few and far between. My bet is that sooner or later, you'll find most of the Barroness' of this world behind the counter at Wawa because their looks and figure are gone and they have no skills or work history to draw on for finding anything better. (Well, if Barroness really has the education and experience she claims, she will probably do OK. Most won't.).

[DirtyDeeds38]

I agree it is a lot of work finding the right one that you know you can work a real arrangement with. I would not be comfortable if the girls started dictating terms before we met. There were plenty of them that I talk to and I told them what my idea of a fair monthly allowance would be and they were just too high and I moved on. The best thing about SA is that you can pretty quickly weed out the girls that are unrealistic without even meeting them. I thought I should just put in my two cents about making an arrangement versus buying a date and leaving the future unresolved. The good ones aren't really going to be interested in doing that.

If you do set the expectations up front that she can count on a steady stream from you, it gets really easy to move to the FC. I try to go with the idea that I'm going to be a perfect gentleman at the first meeting look her over, make the decision pretty quickly if I'm going to slide that first envelope cash over to her at that lunch or dinner or whatever. If I decide that I'm going to bed this girl four to six times a month why wouldn't I slip her a few hundred bucks if I'm getting the vibe that she wants to get to know me better. Right there I'm establishing my level of serious interest she knows I'm for real. With the girl I'm seeing now the next time we met we were in bed in under 15 minutes. You have to be willing to risk a little cash to gain their trust. You are going to have to tell them what you want and what your monthly budget is.

For me it turns out that this is a girl who had one boyfriend in high school, another guy who is 2000 miles away and comes back almost never, has no tattoos no piercings pretty much the ideal SB. She likes older guys she likes to be treated special and I'm hoping it's a good long run for the both of us.

It's not going to workout that way 99% of the time. I have hardline rules of my own I follow and I do not divert from them, ever. Your scenario is what creates what I term, "serial meet and greeters" They go on dates and get slipped a few hundred here and there and realize it's easier them actually ever going to the FC and they just do that. NEVER and I repeat NEVER, pay a girl for a drink or dinner date. UNLESS, that is truly your thing and that is what you want. IE, you're too old or a medical condition keeps you from performing and you just want a woman's company. But suggesting you're showing good faith for the future? No offense my brother, but these girls will laugh at you as they walk out of the dinner date with your cash.