"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Kwagmire** · 06-24-18 11:37

Originally Posted by DrSummer [View Original Post]

Well, answers from girls were all over the place. Few below:

"You give me allowance, I go with you for dinner and movies".

"We have good time, and you give me allowance". Further follow up confirmed she is Ok with intimacy.

"Exchange money for companionship". Further follow up confirmed she is not Ok with intimacy.

In my experience, even the term "mutually beneficial arrangement" is misinterpreted (especially girls 18-22), Almost sure thing I have confirmed is when they say "You help me, I help you". That always means she is ready for it. Then the term "intimacy" is not a sure shot either. One time, a girl was asking for a unreasonable allowance, so I wanted to find out what was in the store. She responded "sure thing" for the question on intimacy. When I asked what specifically we are going to do, she came up with "non-penetrational sex". Ok, I digged deeper. For her, intimacy is giving me a hand job. Go figure.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

I think all women on SA and WYP know exactly what a man means by and thinks a "traditional sugar daddy / sugar baby arrangement" is and what a man wants from a "mutually beneficial relationship". Additionally, I also think all women on SA are OPEN to the idea of fucking for money. The cold, hard truth of the matter is that she might not be open to fucking YOU for money.

The women on straight up transactional sites like the former Backpage know they've signed up for the deal where they'll fuck anyone that comes along for money because the monkey on their back is bigger than their desire to not screw an old, ugly, smelly fat guy. They have an immediate need that needs filling, which is their next fix, or if not that, they're so close to the edge financially that they can't afford to be choosy. If you happen to call and turn out to not be disgusting, bonus for her.

The women on SA are in the middle: they're more than willing to fuck for money, but since they aren't desperate (I. E. , don't have a drug problem and aren't about to be homeless or something similar) they're most interested in fucking a successful, wealthy, attractive, powerful man who will ideally fund their day-to-day bills / tuition / designer shoe habit AND mentor them and pave their way to success in life, or some sliding-scale variant of the above. The degree to which she's willing to compromise on this ideal is dependent on a mixture of her own estimation of her attractiveness / SMV, the level of her self esteem, and the degree of her psychological damage. Her horniness level plays only a minute percentage of this algorithm, since an attractive woman can get laid any day of the week she wants.

Men who are and can actually do the above things, to the level a PYT with a princess mindset desires, are few and far between, and even fewer of those are active on SA, making for some slim pickings. This is where the alleged "misinterpretation" of vocabulary comes along. Women on SA know they have to meet up with men to actually see what degree he fits to her ideal above, but the "misinterpretation" and her ability to shame you for even thinking that "she'd sell herself like that" give her the plausible deniability she needs to go out on meet and greets. Additionally, she knows there are some men out there who are rich and / or naive enough to actually pay for a meet and greet or for a few platonic "dates" because "I'm not the kind of girl who sleeps with someone on the first date". (Cough, cough YES, she is. Just not with YOU). If you hear this kind of BS from a woman, best to cut your losses early.

This is why a smart man refuses to pay for meet and greets, and only offers a gift "once the panties hit the floor" and also realizes that a certain amount of game and attractiveness / hygiene is necessary to get these women. In the SA arena, you've got to play your part and channel your inner Richard Gere, even if you're faking it. In addition to "showing her the money" you have to "manage her feelings" while doing it. Sadly, managing her feelings usually increases costs for men.

I personally think she makes the decision on whether she's willing to fuck or not in the first 5 minutes of meeting you, and if she has a "rinsing" mindset, if you're not totally undesirable, she may see how much she can get out of you before you decide that paying for nothing isn't worth it any more.

**Kwagmire** · 06-24-18 10:11

Originally Posted by MrDisDat [View Original Post]

Just be careful when discussing roses with these "SBs" as I have buddy who got burned by a female cop. His encounter is not one you any monger wants to experience. Careful guys with these arrangements, always follow your heart and be safe!

Can you (or him, for that matter) be a little more specific? How did the interaction / negotiation go down? Were there any red flags he should have noticed / heeded in hindsight?

**DrSummer** · 06-24-18 09:43

Well, answers from girls were all over the place. Few below:

"You give me allowance, I go with you for dinner and movies".

"We have good time, and you give me allowance". Further follow up confirmed she is Ok with intimacy.

"Exchange money for companionship". Further follow up confirmed she is not Ok with intimacy.

In my experience, even the term "mutually beneficial arrangement" is misinterpreted (especially girls 18-22), Almost sure thing I have confirmed is when they say "You help me, I help you". That always means she is ready for it. Then the term "intimacy" is not a sure shot either. One time, a girl was asking for a unreasonable allowance, so I wanted to find out what was in the store. She responded "sure thing" for the question on intimacy. When I asked what specifically we are going to do, she came up with "non-penetrational sex". Ok, I digged deeper. For her, intimacy is giving me a hand job. Go figure.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Originally Posted by Zcochran00 [View Original Post]

My immediate assumption would have been either the standard P4 P approach (meet, bang, "allowance" on the way out), or the idealized version promoted by SA and various news articles (lots of cash and shopping, but probably still with sex involved).

I'm curious, what kinds of answers did you get back?

**RVASpider** · 06-23-18 23:20

Originally Posted by MrDisDat [View Original Post]

Just be careful when discussing roses with these "SBs" as I have buddy who got burned by a female cop. His encounter is not one you any monger wants to experience. Careful guys with these arrangements, always follow your heart and be safe!

Can you let us know how he got burned?

**MrDisDat** · 06-23-18 15:02

Originally Posted by JustLonely [View Original Post]

She just sent me an offer for 150 through WYP today. I have no public photo there and a bio only saying looking for fun. But I still get out of the blue offers for dates. So I am guessing she is a pro like many on there in recent months.

Just be careful when discussing roses with these "SBs" as I have buddy who got burned by a female cop. His encounter is not one you any monger wants to experience. Careful guys with these arrangements, always follow your heart and be safe!

**VAvet** · 06-23-18 14:16

More importantly, has anyone seen her LOL. She looks hot.

Originally Posted by CantWinLosin [View Original Post]

Same girl. I have multiple profiles there. They come in handy for several things. No big deal.

**JZLizard** · 06-23-18 12:50

Originally Posted by DrSummer [View Original Post]

When a girl throws the phrase "Traditional SD / SB Relationship", what does it typically mean to them? I asked follow up questions from several girls what that means, they gave me different answers.

In my mind's interpretation, the word "traditional" combined with "relationship" would typically mean the "older man / younger mistress" situation, where he has a wife in another town and keeps the SB in an apartment or some other situation for regular fucking and financial support. To me, relationship is the more important of the two words, and in my experience with women when they inject that word in, they are usually implying something in particular that involves some level of emotional support or attachment.

Problem is, women are all over the place with the notion of "what they want" and it changes faster than the weather. What they meant when they wrote their profile, and what they mean when explaining it later may or may not be remotely related.

**Madaboutmax** · 06-23-18 12:19

I will add that urbandictionary.com is go to reference for understanding the younger generation. If you look up sugar daddy, sugar baby or arrangement you will get a good take on the expectations of most of the younger generation.

Originally Posted by Zcochran00 [View Original Post]

My immediate assumption would have been either the standard P4 P approach (meet, bang, "allowance" on the way out), or the idealized version promoted by SA and various news articles (lots of cash and shopping, but probably still with sex involved).

I'm curious, what kinds of answers did you get back?

**Zcochran00** · 06-23-18 12:07

Originally Posted by DrSummer [View Original Post]

When a girl throws the phrase "Traditional SD / SB Relationship", what does it typically mean to them? I asked follow up questions from several girls what that means, they gave me different answers.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

My immediate assumption would have been either the standard P4 P approach (meet, bang, "allowance" on the way out), or the idealized version promoted by SA and various news articles (lots of cash and shopping, but probably still with sex involved).

I'm curious, what kinds of answers did you get back?

**Madaboutmax** · 06-23-18 10:11

I've heard this comment often and I use it as a conversation starter to understand what it means to them.

Like you said, not everyone has the same understanding of what that means.

Originally Posted by DrSummer [View Original Post]

When a girl throws the phrase "Traditional SD / SB Relationship", what does it typically mean to them? I asked follow up questions from several girls what that means, they gave me different answers.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

**DrSummer** · 06-23-18 06:55

When a girl throws the phrase "Traditional SD / SB Relationship", what does it typically mean to them? I asked follow up questions from several girls what that means, they gave me different answers.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

**CantWinLosin** · 06-22-18 19:56

Originally Posted by Icedam [View Original Post]

Warning, so I just wrote top and she pretty much outed herself after we had M&G from the other address.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...d-ec53b93ac1af

Same as.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...0-1f12ee6f7467

Same girl. I have multiple profiles there. They come in handy for several things. No big deal.

**RVASpider** · 06-21-18 13:07

Originally Posted by Icedam [View Original Post]

Warning, so I just wrote top and she pretty much outed herself after we had M&G from the other address.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...d-ec53b93ac1af

Same as.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...0-1f12ee6f7467

I've come across a few with multiple profiles, including one I've seen a couple of times. How was the M&G? Is she offering anything other than public dates?

**FarFarAway** · 06-21-18 11:38

It seems that Google does not like it if you use a privacy browser like Epic. I have bragged about how easy it is to use your gmail to check texts to your Android phone. Now, when I try to log into gmail to do that using Epic, the browser slows to a crawl. If I use Safari (even with private browsing), I can log right in. Google wants to know who I am, obviously, and track me. These people are slime. We can only hope that the day never comes that google has to give up all the info they have been collecting on all of us to the secret police.

**FarFarAway** · 06-21-18 00:31

Originally Posted by CephlapodLove [View Original Post]

I just ran my GV number through that website and got the following reply: Searching billions of phones we did not return a valid result for XXX-YYY-ZZZZ.

I had a buddy who had a GV number tied to his phone. I was talking to him at one point and he crossed a cellphone boundary and the call was dropped. Of course my number was still there on his phone so he hit "redial" and his phone called me back, not his GV number. That was another way he inadvertently out of himself. Then another buddy kept his monger phone on while he was at home and he suspects that that "parked at location" was run through an GPS / county property record search as a girl ran his number through an app called "Mr. Number" and his real name & address came up in relation to his monger GV number. Sigh.

I guess there is truly no hiding, just hoping that there is enough distance between you and a girl who may not be too tech savvy.

Here is another website I have been using that seems to do a decent job and doesn't charge.

nuwber.com