"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 06-09-18 20:18

Originally Posted by CantWinLosin [View Original Post]

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...2-eae3c90bf4ed

We've exchanged msgs. She seems legit, pretty up-front about her situation and expectations, but gut says something's not quite right, can't figure it out, so looking for other input. What am I missing?

Her face pic? . but with a body like that, it might not matter.

**HollywoodGuy** · 06-09-18 20:13

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

I am surprised about the reports here of guys messaging SA girls about their sugar, getting back big numbers, and quitting on them. What do you expect when you are negotiating online? There could be all kinds of problems with you she doesn't see until you meet, so she is going to take that into account in pricing. You are certainly going to get her top dollar rate. I NEVER do this. I find that girls who can be pretty pliant in person become bulldogs online. I think this is something basic to human nature when you put someone behind the wall of the internet. Anyway, I only discuss the sugar w / a POT in person / face-to-face. If you need negotiating tips, watch some reality TV show like Pawn Stars or American Pickers. If they have the person in front of them, and he turns out to be nice, and safe, and somewhat attractive, and maybe like their dad's friend who they thought was hot in high school, they are going to be unwilling to let a bird in the hand escape for the sake of a few extra dollars.

I had a M&G today with a 27 YO med student with a smoking hot body, BIG natural tits. She is also a bit of a pleaser and refused all my attempts to get her to name her figure. They fear rejection too, and I think it is a good strategy to first ask them what they *need. * Don't get into 'want', that's a loser. Anyway, I proposed that the first time would be extra sugar, just to be sure we both liked the experience, and we would negotiate an allowance (lower per meet) after that. Given her reluctance to name her price, I finally threw out 300, which she immediately accepted. Too bad, I wish I had offered even lower, but still this is an excellent rate for a hot young SB in a high-price market, southern California.

I have worked online for a living for over 15 years and very rarely meet my clients, even ones I have had for years. So I do all my negotiating online with the girls. I really don't have time for M&G's. And if I make the time they still know what the allowance will be beforehand. Even knowing that what you say is true, as my in person presentations are always good. It's just a time management issue. Plus I can get turned down online without a care in the word. But getting burned face-to-face is another matter. Also I can negotiate with up 5 girls a day online. I would be lucky to do that once a week in person. But whatever works, works.

**Mark User** · 06-09-18 17:03

Originally Posted by RobHere [View Original Post]

I don't see the SA profile search text box. Is it me or for everyone? Very difficult to search profile.

Now that you mention it, it was there a day or so ago because I used it to look up a specific name. Now I don't see it. Maybe it's another thing you need to upgrade to use now. (I haven't upgraded).

**RobHere** · 06-09-18 16:39

I don't see the SA profile search text box. Is it me or for everyone? Very difficult to search profile.

**JZLizard** · 06-08-18 21:56

Originally Posted by CoolPix [View Original Post]

I broke this golden rule a month ago when I got lazy and was thinking with the little head instead of the big noggin. I made the mistake of leaving the hotel receipt on the table in the room and my SB found it and took a picture of it. Fortunately, I didn't use my real address but did have my last name and personal cell number and the ***** tried to shake me down. I am so old enough to know better but I got careless. Let my stupidity be a lesson to the brotherhood. Of course, most of you are smart enough to already know this.

Anonymity is one of those things you have to be always on guard about, and it's not easy to protect it perfectly.

One of the stupidest things I ever did was hand one of them my phone to connect spotify to a bluetooth speaker. Prior to that I never really thought about the fact that my real name was displayed on the settings menu -- one of those things I see so often I forget its there. Oops should have changed that long ago. From that part of the story on, it's just damage control and every next move is designed to never result in any "situation". She kept texting me for 6 months after that asking when I would see her again, I kept making excuses but making sure I never gave her reason to go digging. Finally told her I'd gotten involved with someone exclusively and she left me alone after that.

And of course, I changed the name on my phone after that.

**FruitNinja** · 06-08-18 19:02

Originally Posted by DirtyDeeds38 [View Original Post]

Extortion and or blackmail are felonies. When this happens, be calm and do the following steps. Ge them talking, get them to get you their demands and clearly state their threat. Then agree to meet them in person, to, "pay them off" when you meet in person, record them on your phone, preferably with some video if you can pull it off, or hidden cameras. After they are done describing their devious little plan, show them everything you got saved and then show them the laws. Explain that she had five minutes to take back everything, or, you, yourself are going straight to the police, where she will face extortion charges that can carry up to five years in the slammer.

I do not respond to threats, EVER. Threaten me, and it's on, I will not back down. I treat every girl I see right and am good to them all, but if they think they are going to play me like this, they are sadly mistaken. A lot of these early 20-somethings think they are not true adults and play the innocent act, thinking because you're an older man, they can take you down and they are justified. Send them back to reality, that they are adults and can face legal actions that will cost them dearly just like anyone else.

Two cents!

A good two cents at that. I don't take no shit in business, I'm certainly not going to let some youngster play me. Nicest guy in the world. But do not f**k with me. I will take you down. I'm seeing one now that has a kid, her estranged baby daddy is starting to get suspicious. I've already got his info, just so happens he lives in a town I know everyone from the public works guys to the mayor. One phone call. BOOM!

**Harpman31** · 06-08-18 17:31

Originally Posted by CoolPix [View Original Post]

Anybody have a go with this chick? She's asking for a M&G and I'm intrigued.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...0-acf4271fcb08

I had a great LT arrangement with her I ended not because of anything bad. She is a lot of fun, has her own job and wants LT arrangements, no short term stuff. No drama. Smart, mature and sexy. She'll not ask for anything upfront and leaves the gift up to you. It's your time to shine. $$$ ensured I saw her again. Treat her right and it will be worth it. 30 plus is the way to go.

**DirtyDeeds38** · 06-08-18 10:40

Originally Posted by CoolPix [View Original Post]

I broke this golden rule a month ago when I got lazy and was thinking with the little head instead of the big noggin. I made the mistake of leaving the hotel receipt on the table in the room and my SB found it and took a picture of it. Fortunately, I didn't use my real address but did have my last name and personal cell number and the ***** tried to shake me down. I am so old enough to know better but I got careless. Let my stupidity be a lesson to the brotherhood.

Of course, most of you are smart enough to already know this.

Extortion and or blackmail are felonies. When this happens, be calm and do the following steps. Ge them talking, get them to get you their demands and clearly state their threat. Then agree to meet them in person, to, "pay them off" when you meet in person, record them on your phone, preferably with some video if you can pull it off, or hidden cameras. After they are done describing their devious little plan, show them everything you got saved and then show them the laws. Explain that she had five minutes to take back everything, or, you, yourself are going straight to the police, where she will face extortion charges that can carry up to five years in the slammer.

I do not respond to threats, EVER. Threaten me, and it's on, I will not back down. I treat every girl I see right and am good to them all, but if they think they are going to play me like this, they are sadly mistaken. A lot of these early 20-somethings think they are not true adults and play the innocent act, thinking because you're an older man, they can take you down and they are justified. Send them back to reality, that they are adults and can face legal actions that will cost them dearly just like anyone else.

Two cents!

**MikeJones1962** · 06-08-18 07:59

Just trying to get back into posting thought I'd leave a few dreams.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...c-fed9049f99b8

In my dream, I paid an allowance of 200. I definitely overpaid. I would avoid at all costs. Pictures are somewhat accurate although she's heavier now. Looks are maybe 4/10. Skills are 1/10 probably the worst I've had since fumbling around in a car in high school. But as always YMMV.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...f-4f439a6477fd

I've dreamed of her a couple of times. She's always freshly showered and sociable. Her looks are as depicted. Not full GFE. She's a go to if bored. Damage is between like 100-140 depending. Menu is limited.

I have more. I don't share contact info unless it's with a senior member or unless you have something worthwhile to offer.

**Mongo1** · 06-08-18 06:46

Originally Posted by LoVecchio [View Original Post]

I think both guys and girls often start off by asking for access to private pictures (certainly lots of girls say in their profiles not to ask for access before there's been some interaction). That's the reason that I don't have even private pictures on my profile. I figure that I'll get a lot of requests from people who aren't all that interested, and I'm not eager to send my picture out promiscuously to people I'm unlikely to meet. So, I generally don't share pictures until there's been enough back-and-forth that I think there's actually a decent chance that she's someone I'd like to spend time with. Then I do it by text or email, which has the side benefit of getting her contact information. Giving out the pictures only on request also helps in screening out pros. I view it as a negative if a girl agrees to meet me and never asks to see my pictures (just as I do if she asks right away about allowance). If she wants to meet without having the slightest idea whether I'd be attractive to her, I figure that she is probably looking for a different kind of arrangement than I'm interested in.

Perhaps I should remove them and return to old way of engaging first, then sharing.

**MikeJones1962** · 06-07-18 20:37

Originally Posted by Ltnric [View Original Post]

Hi Brothers,

So I chatted with this girl and she gave me her phone number right away. She is clearly a pro and quickly quoted me a price. Does anyone have any intel? It sounds like she may be open to doing bareback which is a red flag for me.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...b-efd922056222

Check your pm. I've met her several times as has a friend of mine. She's safe and reliable.

**CoolPix** · 06-07-18 20:32

Originally Posted by JZLizard [View Original Post]

Be sure to protect your anonymity so that you don't find yourself pumping loads of something else into them (child support).

I broke this golden rule a month ago when I got lazy and was thinking with the little head instead of the big noggin. I made the mistake of leaving the hotel receipt on the table in the room and my SB found it and took a picture of it. Fortunately, I didn't use my real address but did have my last name and personal cell number and the ***** tried to shake me down. I am so old enough to know better but I got careless. Let my stupidity be a lesson to the brotherhood.

Of course, most of you are smart enough to already know this.

**Zcochran00** · 06-07-18 20:23

Originally Posted by JZLizard [View Original Post]

Be sure to protect your anonymity so that you don't find yourself pumping loads of something else into them (child support).

Indeed. Besides child support, the other big reason is the classic "sticking your dick in crazy". If and when you need to totally sever things, burner numbers and such prove their worth.

Had an example of that this week. I'd been texting with a slim, "submissive" mid-30's MILF trying to find a time to meet. As always, I gave her my Google Voice number. We finally settled on meeting that night, and she wanted to call and "chat" before we got together. She spent the next hour+ talking almost literally non-stop the entire time, telling me all kinds of details about herself, her personal history, and her situation, with me occasionally making "mmhm" sounds and wondering how much longer she would keep going. I finally got her to stop talking, hung up, and booked a room. I already had concerns about this, but figured it was worth a shot.

She did show up and was real, but the talking and personality aspects were the same as on the phone. She kept talking about her dad being a famous businessman ("just google him!"), jobs she'd worked, and how she was in a semi-relationship with this one guy who had helped her out of a couple tough situations in the past ("but it's not romantic!"). She even kept trying to talk about him as I was kissing her. She was sorta wiling to have sex after that, except she wouldn't do oral since it was the first time we'd met, wouldn't get on top, and wanted me to "take ownership of her". Then she basically lay there like a starfish.

Afterwards, I kinda fast-talked my way through discussions of future meetings, and as soon as she was safely on her way home, I grabbed my stuff, bailed out, blocked her number and SA account, and deleted all chat history. That was just _too_ weird. So, between the Google Voice number, blocking her, and not giving out my real name, there's nothing for her to follow.

**JZLizard** · 06-07-18 18:58

Originally Posted by GenevaGuy [View Original Post]

I have 4 SBs now at $150/ meet, pump load after load into them no complaints all on contraception, all regular women with jobs, income, homes, etc.

Be sure to protect your anonymity so that you don't find yourself pumping loads of something else into them (child support).

**Ltnric** · 06-07-18 18:09

Hi Brothers,

So I chatted with this girl and she gave me her phone number right away. She is clearly a pro and quickly quoted me a price. Does anyone have any intel? It sounds like she may be open to doing bareback which is a red flag for me.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...b-efd922056222