"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[MaxxLapper]

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Only if you want to give money to chicks so they treat you like shit and don't fuck you. You could always just get married if you want to do that.

A2

Haha LOL! Yeah, apparently there are some guys who gladly feed into this. Or the SA chicks hear about it on some SA blog, and they think they can get money for nothing. Some apparently do, good luck with that.

[MaxxLapper]

I see a few two girls come to you. Anyone try this? Experiences?

Are you talking about having them come to your place? Even if single, I wouldn't do it. If they get obsessed or mad at you for some reason, then they know too much about you. My .02.

[Statecho]

Start with the Index and FAQ. However, I highly recommend looking at it as an overall glimpse into the perspective of various SDs, and not so much a how-to guide to be followed to the letter. Read it and try to develop your own style. I've written a lot about what works for me, but my game hinges on exercise as a mandatory component of it, and I would have diminished results due to lower T levels and sexual performance if I stopped exercising and let myself go, I'm sure.

HWG's "stepped game plan", to the best of my knowledge, hinged on sending out pre-typed marketing blasts to lots of girls offering specific amounts of money. I don't know if people still do this, but I do know SA now detects this "form letter" approach to mails and some members have reported account suspension over these marketing blasts. Further more, this technique only works with pros, a real SB will get creeped out by offers for money in the first message -- you have to be much smoother than this if you want to land a real SB. What's more, increasingly, it's a very bad idea to make any sort of monetary offer for sex over digital communications, and it not only puts the hobby in jeopardy, and you at legal risk, but it draws more pros to SA and makes it harder to find a real SB. So much so, that if you read some of the SB boards in other cities, you'll find a lot of sugaring noobs don't even know the difference between an SB and a utr/pro.

Very good insight! I will follow your advice.

Also thanks others pm'ed me and offered help. I will report back to you with my encounters.

[RVASpider]

Killer photo gallery and seems eager to share but could not get much details out of her.

Photos are awesome but the $$ she wants is insane.

[RVASpider]

Dipping my toe in the bowl and lined up a M&G.

Thanks to the great info on this site, I was able to find out who she really is and quite a bit of info about her.

Pretty sure she has a boyfriend. Should I be worried about them scamming?

Anyone have experience with girls who have boyfriends / SO where it went bad because they were both trying to scam you?

Am I being overly paranoid?

I'm talking to one that has a boyfriend, which I've confirmed from her social media. She says he doesn't know but I'm definitely extra cautious on this one. She wants money for the initial meeting, which I will not agree to so we will see if anything comes of it. Maybe it's the same girl.

[Ernest Ll]

Liv_N_Love aka Rvalover. Thanks.

Killer photo gallery and seems eager to share but could not get much details out of her.

[Ripvan12]

Dipping my toe in the bowl and lined up a M&G.

Thanks to the great info on this site, I was able to find out who she really is and quite a bit of info about her.

Pretty sure she has a boyfriend. Should I be worried about them scamming?

Anyone have experience with girls who have boyfriends / SO where it went bad because they were both trying to scam you?

Am I being overly paranoid?

My opinion. The presence of a boyfriend alone shouldn't scare you completely off. My current SB has a live-in boyfriend. Heck, come to think of it I believe they are engaged. I don't believe he is in a position to provide for her (I. E. Pay bills, small shopping items, etc.) or isn't giving her the attention she desires. Either way, it has been perfect for me because of my own marital status. She doesn't require dinner dates on the town nor does she catch an attitude if she doesn't hear from me in a day or two. Easy Pee Zee, just the way I like it.

My advice to you is to take it slow and have some patience. Scammers, LEO and weirdos want things to happen quickly and on their terms. They want you to come to their location at a specified time and any deviation, no matter how small it is (like meeting one mile away from the spot or 30 minutes earlier, etc.) turns into mountain for them to overcome. It has been mentioned plenty of times on this forum, the scammers or hardened pros are working a quick hustle. Developing a true SB requires patience and allows you to weed the crazies out.

But a potential SB having a boyfriend isn't an automatic disqualifier for me. Ripper.

[RVASpider]

Liv_N_Love aka Rvalover. Thanks.

[RVASpider]

I'm very intrigued by this approach. How were the girl's performance once they agreed to go through with it? Were the experiences below or above average? PM if you'd like.

I've had one that said it was platonic only, went out for drinks, and ended up having fun in my car that night. It was fantastic and I've seen her twice since then. I feel like I've weeded through about 50 girls through messaging and have about 10-12 that I've either met or expect to meet soon.

[EvilTmp]

I've had success with "platonic" girls by being patient and respectful as well. The temptation is to call them out on it, but what's the point of that?

I let them know that I'm not looking for a platonic relationship and that no relationship would hold my attention long if intimacy wasn't ultimately a part of it. I tell them I'm willing to go slow and get to know each other before starting an arrangement. If that is not what they are looking for, I let them know I respect their view, wish them luck and to let me know if they reconsider.

Thanks to how many guys act on the site, it doesn't take them long to see reality. If they disappear, I saved myself some wasted time. If they contact me again, I know they understand my expectations.

I'm very intrigued by this approach. How were the girl's performance once they agreed to go through with it? Were the experiences below or above average? PM if you'd like.

[Cabsauv1997]

Dipping my toe in the bowl and lined up a M&G.

Thanks to the great info on this site, I was able to find out who she really is and quite a bit of info about her.

Pretty sure she has a boyfriend. Should I be worried about them scamming?

Anyone have experience with girls who have boyfriends / SO where it went bad because they were both trying to scam you?

Am I being overly paranoid?

[Madaboutmax]

I've had success with "platonic" girls by being patient and respectful as well. The temptation is to call them out on it, but what's the point of that?

I let them know that I'm not looking for a platonic relationship and that no relationship would hold my attention long if intimacy wasn't ultimately a part of it. I tell them I'm willing to go slow and get to know each other before starting an arrangement. If that is not what they are looking for, I let them know I respect their view, wish them luck and to let me know if they reconsider.

Thanks to how many guys act on the site, it doesn't take them long to see reality. If they disappear, I saved myself some wasted time. If they contact me again, I know they understand my expectations.

The trick to weed those out who lead you on is to simply say you're patient but not desperate, and so it can go at her pace but the arrangement doesn't begin until she's comfortable. Other than maybe a coupe of dollars for gas and buying the meal / drinks, do not provide any support. If she's just leading you on with promises of intimacy but has no intent of doing it, she will quickly disappear in search of a sucker. If she's sincere about being up for it but wants to take her time, then this will only help speed it up.

And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.

[EvilTmp]

And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.

This friggin paragraph.

It's all you need to know about how girls talk about their experience to each other and to new SDs.

[TomDickNHarry]

I'm sure it happens, but you can bet it is much more rare than they will admit. Girls will lie about the allowance they have received and about having platonic relationships.

There are all kinds of forums with advice to girls on how to land a "Platonic" sugar daddy. Most advice involves leading the guy on, making him believe intimacy is around the corner while extracting as much money from the guy as possible. They give advice on how to find gullable, desperate men with money. I'm sure many girls initially join with the intent of being platonic only to learn that isn't realistic. They either leave the site or reset their standards.

I think many girls also falsely claim to be platonic to their boyfriends, friends and family that learn about their sugar lifestyle.

I've known several girls that claimed to be platonic in their profile, but were open to intimacy. One had a boyfriend who knew she was on the site and she told him she was only platonic and even showed him her profile as proof. Another claimed to use it to weed out the straight Pay 4 Play guys, but was open to it for the right guy if the connection was there.

I made some newbie mistakes early on and allowed some girls to get money from me before "the panties hit the floor". That doesn't happen anymore, but we all make rookie mistakes. That's why it is valuable to learn from others and read this forum.

The trick to weed those out who lead you on is to simply say you're patient but not desperate, and so it can go at her pace but the arrangement doesn't begin until she's comfortable. Other than maybe a coupe of dollars for gas and buying the meal / drinks, do not provide any support. If she's just leading you on with promises of intimacy but has no intent of doing it, she will quickly disappear in search of a sucker. If she's sincere about being up for it but wants to take her time, then this will only help speed it up.

And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.

[RVASpider]

I'm sure it happens, but you can bet it is much more rare than they will admit. Girls will lie about the allowance they have received and about having platonic relationships.

There are all kinds of forums with advice to girls on how to land a "Platonic" sugar daddy. Most advice involves leading the guy on, making him believe intimacy is around the corner while extracting as much money from the guy as possible. They give advice on how to find gullable, desperate men with money. I'm sure many girls initially join with the intent of being platonic only to learn that isn't realistic. They either leave the site or reset their standards.

I think many girls also falsely claim to be platonic to their boyfriends, friends and family that learn about their sugar lifestyle.

I've known several girls that claimed to be platonic in their profile, but were open to intimacy. One had a boyfriend who knew she was on the site and she told him she was only platonic and even showed him her profile as proof. Another claimed to use it to weed out the straight Pay 4 Play guys, but was open to it for the right guy if the connection was there.

I made some newbie mistakes early on and allowed some girls to get money from me before "the panties hit the floor". That doesn't happen anymore, but we all make rookie mistakes. That's why it is valuable to learn from others and read this forum.

It's amazing how different I handle the site and the relationships now than when I first joined. Much of change is because of what I've learned here. I luckily have not paid for any meet and greets but I know it happens. I usually tell them that I'll pick up the tab for coffee or drinks and we can discuss details at that meeting. If it's not something I want to pursue, I'm out no more than $20-$25 for a couple of drinks. The site can be addicting and I can see how people can easily get sucked in and scammed out of money. Thankfully I found this site before I went too far with that one.