"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Ernest Ll]

I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$.

If there were no shortage of $1 k SDs, then the rest of us would be out of luck.

Just like I tell my employees who complain that their PT gigs pay better than their FT job with me.

"So make it your FT gig".

"But they don't have enough work for me to be FT at that rate".

And you answered your own question.

AT least your gal is smart enough to do the math.

[RVASpider]

Keep in mind most girls lie about how much they actually get or have gotten in the past.

I think most probably do. I talked one super hot one down from $2000 to $300 for drinks and an hour of her time after. I'm sure some guys out there have a ton of cash to spend and are outbidding everyone else.

[CandyMan555]

Why am I getting this message?? Did my subscription expire?? I usually get message when my subscription is nearing the end,.

Thanks CM.

[Doc2016]

I was browsing around and saw this. Thoughts? Seems to be originating in our neck of the woods.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...dating-website

[FarFarAway]

Your over thinking this. Keep it simple. Anyone who meets without wanting a pic is in the business at one time or another. You wouldn't meet a girl without knowing what she looks like so why should she. Anyway you provide a pic can be used so there is no way out on tjat. Do private pics you can control access to or text or kik. I provide pics by text or kik, a face and body shot is all they need. Remember your paying these girls so if your early 50's and good shape you should be able to find younger women anywhere without an arrangement unless your shooting for the 18-22 age bracket. Late 20's and up you should be civy dating if looking for a relationship. Paying for a relationship to start you will never know if its your assests or you they are interested in until you cut the money off.

If I had my preference, I'd use Snapchat. They can keep a photo, but it's tough, and they have to plan ahead. I have it on my phone, but I get little uptake when I offer it these days. They're fickle. I think Kik is not as safe, the photo stays there.

[John HandCock]

Keep in mind most girls lie about how much they actually get or have gotten in the past.

Some do lie while others get it. Couple years ago there was a girl in Cincinnati that cleaned up for almost a year doing nothing more than arm candy for $500-$800. Guys who have the money have no problem spending it.

[EvilTmp]

Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.

Keep in mind most girls lie about how much they actually get or have gotten in the past.

[RVASpider]

This is a big problem in Chicago. There's a lot of high net worth guys that just don't care. I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$ but that's for unlimited shots and she hangs out for as long as I want. I had one the other day. Two pops and she tried to get a third out of me. "I want you to see me again" She worked it hard but this 60 year old dick would not cooperate. I needed another hour of rest and I would have been good. She's up for anything and very appreciative.

It's ridiculous. I had a drink with one last night. No charge for the meet but wanted $300 for dinner and another $300 if anything else happened. She wouldn't split them either so dinner was part of the package. I told her she can text me when she's ready to bring those down.

[FruitNinja]

Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.

This is a big problem in Chicago. There's a lot of high net worth guys that just don't care. I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$ but that's for unlimited shots and she hangs out for as long as I want. I had one the other day. Two pops and she tried to get a third out of me. "I want you to see me again" She worked it hard but this 60 year old dick would not cooperate. I needed another hour of rest and I would have been good. She's up for anything and very appreciative.

[FruitNinja]

Need some advice here. This is the first promising potential M&G.

Below is a rough approximation of a conversation I'm having with a POT. Profile says she's just out of college, super cute.

Spidey-sense is tingling. This feels too easy to me. She works at night. Ready to roll. Happy to send pics. Thoughts? Pro?

Also, are there specific things I can ask her to do up front that will remove the possibility that she's LEO? I wondered if the more provocative pic, depending on how provocative, would cover me.

Me: You have a great smile! What kind of arrangement would you like?

Her: NSA, FWB.

Me: I come down 2 x a month for business. You down for lunch dates or does work conflict?

Her: No I'm free during day I work at night.

Me: very good. Where would you like to meet?

Her: (Place somewhere between our stated locations).

Me: Meet for coffee at 10 on Wednesday and then maybe room service for lunch if things go well?

Her: Yeah.

Me: Other than the help you get, what do you like most about your arrangements?

Her: Sex I love the older guy / younger girl senerio.

Me: We have that in common. Can you do one thing for me? I need a more provocative picture that shows your body somewhat, with you holding up the peace sign so I know it's you. Need to protect against catfish. So many of them on here. I appreciate you being real.

Her: Okay I need your number.

If you have time I would do a M&G and see where it goes. What do you have to loose? Lunch? You probably eat lunch anyway. .

[FruitNinja]

I am going to renew membership again and trying to relax my rules on photos so that I can actually get a real SB to meet me. Few advice I need from fellow members.

You should have very few rules and kind of roll with it. They are young and the newer ones spoke quickly. Think about it from their view.

1. Do you think giving access to private photos after establishing good connection with a girl is safer than e-mailing or texting photos directly? I know if someone wants thy can take a screenshot of uploaded photos and use them for anything if needed. They want to.

I email or text after I've established rapport and verified that they are a real person. There are ways to do this. Use your big head.

2. Do girls always demand clear face photos or some slight alteration to hide identity is OK with girls?

Again, put yourself in their shoes. Would you meet a girl without knowing what she looks like? For the most part these are not pros. They are college kids.

3. What do girls really want by demanding photos. Just to make sure I am real, or how do I look?

Think about this a little.

4. Anyone out there who developed a good relationship with a serous SB without ever sharing a photo before first meet?

Nope and I've had plenty. Don't be sketchy you will spook them.

5. What is a typical type of private photos you share (e. G. Face pic, photo showing the whole body). Typically how many private photos?

Dude, way over thinking this. One full length photo is what I send.

Sorry for loaded questions, I need some guidance. Or am I over-paranoid about this whole photo thing? Or am I not the kind of guy who should get in to this SA thing? By the way I am in my early 50's and in good shape for my age.

Thanks for your input.

Dr. S.

Read my answers above. You are way overthinking this.

[RVASpider]

Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.

[JustLonely]

My stable of SB's who will see me at 60 years old is down to one. Anyone on here have someone they have had luck with and is willing to share? Not interested in Cindy who has been online forever and sends me messages every few weeks. Please pm me. I have a white 21 year old that I will share in return. Thanks.

[Cabsauv1997]

Need some advice here. This is the first promising potential M&G.

Below is a rough approximation of a conversation I'm having with a POT. Profile says she's just out of college, super cute.

Spidey-sense is tingling. This feels too easy to me. She works at night. Ready to roll. Happy to send pics. Thoughts? Pro?

Also, are there specific things I can ask her to do up front that will remove the possibility that she's LEO? I wondered if the more provocative pic, depending on how provocative, would cover me.

Me: You have a great smile! What kind of arrangement would you like?

Her: NSA, FWB.

Me: I come down 2 x a month for business. You down for lunch dates or does work conflict?

Her: No I'm free during day I work at night.

Me: very good. Where would you like to meet?

Her: (Place somewhere between our stated locations).

Me: Meet for coffee at 10 on Wednesday and then maybe room service for lunch if things go well?

Her: Yeah.

Me: Other than the help you get, what do you like most about your arrangements?

Her: Sex I love the older guy / younger girl senerio.

Me: We have that in common. Can you do one thing for me? I need a more provocative picture that shows your body somewhat, with you holding up the peace sign so I know it's you. Need to protect against catfish. So many of them on here. I appreciate you being real.

Her: Okay I need your number.

[John HandCock]

Fellow member from Charleston, SC. You guys are doing a wonderful job here to the SD community with this thread. Tremendously valuable information. Let me explain my situation. I signed up for SA about few months ago just for a month. I chatted with about 50 girls, met 8 girls in person (2 flaked), and went on dates with 5 (all intimate to hotel rooms except one). But, my gut feeling is that all of those five are either Pros or at least UTR escorts. I was not inclined to go on repeat dates with any of those girls. My objective of joining SA is to find a decent SB with whom I can have little bit closer relationship or connection than what I get from a BP girl or UTR escort where it is just one hour affair and done.

I think the results I got from SA is mainly due to my own flawed approach. I am obsessed with privacy and anonymity, and don't want to be featured in sites such as pred alert etc. I am divorced and no SO, but don't want my children to know what's going on. My ethnicity is not white or black and it is rare, and I have unique features so if my face photo is placed in such a website, it would be easy for anyone who knows me to identify me. Although I am not into social media, there are enough of my photos on the web with my name associated for my professional work.

I was a premium member at SA and had a profile photo very casual and with no face shown. Did not upload any private photos. I have chatted with about 10 girls whom I thought serous SB's and what I am looking for (mostly college girls and some other 25-30 yr range). In most cases, we agreed on almost everything (I am not a haggler when it comes to allowance as long as the offer is reasonable), except the photo issue. They were adamant either I upload private photos and give access to them or e-mail or text them photos. I was stubborn and didn't give in, so most of these chats ended there. My argument was that I was ready to M&G any place and any time they want before going on a date, so photos are not necessary. Looking back, the girls who did not demand the photos (and whom I met and dates) are the Pros. I understand why a serious SB wants to see photo of a person before agreeing to M&G, it was a mistake from my end.

I am going to renew membership again and trying to relax my rules on photos so that I can actually get a real SB to meet me. Few advice I need from fellow members.

1. Do you think giving access to private photos after establishing good connection with a girl is safer than e-mailing or texting photos directly? I know if someone wants thy can take a screenshot of uploaded photos and use them for anything if needed. They want to.

2. Do girls always demand clear face photos or some slight alteration to hide identity is OK with girls?

3. What do girls really want by demanding photos. Just to make sure I am real, or how do I look?

4. Anyone out there who developed a good relationship with a serous SB without ever sharing a photo before first meet?

5. What is a typical type of private photos you share (e. G. Face pic, photo showing the whole body). Typically how many private photos?

Sorry for loaded questions, I need some guidance. Or am I over-paranoid about this whole photo thing? Or am I not the kind of guy who should get in to this SA thing? By the way I am in my early 50's and in good shape for my age.

Thanks for your input.

Dr. S.

Your over thinking this. Keep it simple. Anyone who meets without wanting a pic is in the business at one time or another. You wouldn't meet a girl without knowing what she looks like so why should she. Anyway you provide a pic can be used so there is no way out on tjat. Do private pics you can control access to or text or kik. I provide pics by text or kik, a face and body shot is all they need. Remember your paying these girls so if your early 50's and good shape you should be able to find younger women anywhere without an arrangement unless your shooting for the 18-22 age bracket. Late 20's and up you should be civy dating if looking for a relationship. Paying for a relationship to start you will never know if its your assests or you they are interested in until you cut the money off.