"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Cabsauv1997]

Need some advice here. This is the first promising potential M&G.

Below is a rough approximation of a conversation I'm having with a POT. Profile says she's just out of college, super cute.

Spidey-sense is tingling. This feels too easy to me. She works at night. Ready to roll. Happy to send pics. Thoughts? Pro?

Also, are there specific things I can ask her to do up front that will remove the possibility that she's LEO? I wondered if the more provocative pic, depending on how provocative, would cover me.

Me: You have a great smile! What kind of arrangement would you like?

Her: NSA, FWB.

Me: I come down 2 x a month for business. You down for lunch dates or does work conflict?

Her: No I'm free during day I work at night.

Me: very good. Where would you like to meet?

Her: (Place somewhere between our stated locations).

Me: Meet for coffee at 10 on Wednesday and then maybe room service for lunch if things go well?

Her: Yeah.

Me: Other than the help you get, what do you like most about your arrangements?

Her: Sex I love the older guy / younger girl senerio.

Me: We have that in common. Can you do one thing for me? I need a more provocative picture that shows your body somewhat, with you holding up the peace sign so I know it's you. Need to protect against catfish. So many of them on here. I appreciate you being real.

Her: Okay I need your number.

[John HandCock]

Fellow member from Charleston, SC. You guys are doing a wonderful job here to the SD community with this thread. Tremendously valuable information. Let me explain my situation. I signed up for SA about few months ago just for a month. I chatted with about 50 girls, met 8 girls in person (2 flaked), and went on dates with 5 (all intimate to hotel rooms except one). But, my gut feeling is that all of those five are either Pros or at least UTR escorts. I was not inclined to go on repeat dates with any of those girls. My objective of joining SA is to find a decent SB with whom I can have little bit closer relationship or connection than what I get from a BP girl or UTR escort where it is just one hour affair and done.

I think the results I got from SA is mainly due to my own flawed approach. I am obsessed with privacy and anonymity, and don't want to be featured in sites such as pred alert etc. I am divorced and no SO, but don't want my children to know what's going on. My ethnicity is not white or black and it is rare, and I have unique features so if my face photo is placed in such a website, it would be easy for anyone who knows me to identify me. Although I am not into social media, there are enough of my photos on the web with my name associated for my professional work.

I was a premium member at SA and had a profile photo very casual and with no face shown. Did not upload any private photos. I have chatted with about 10 girls whom I thought serous SB's and what I am looking for (mostly college girls and some other 25-30 yr range). In most cases, we agreed on almost everything (I am not a haggler when it comes to allowance as long as the offer is reasonable), except the photo issue. They were adamant either I upload private photos and give access to them or e-mail or text them photos. I was stubborn and didn't give in, so most of these chats ended there. My argument was that I was ready to M&G any place and any time they want before going on a date, so photos are not necessary. Looking back, the girls who did not demand the photos (and whom I met and dates) are the Pros. I understand why a serious SB wants to see photo of a person before agreeing to M&G, it was a mistake from my end.

I am going to renew membership again and trying to relax my rules on photos so that I can actually get a real SB to meet me. Few advice I need from fellow members.

1. Do you think giving access to private photos after establishing good connection with a girl is safer than e-mailing or texting photos directly? I know if someone wants thy can take a screenshot of uploaded photos and use them for anything if needed. They want to.

2. Do girls always demand clear face photos or some slight alteration to hide identity is OK with girls?

3. What do girls really want by demanding photos. Just to make sure I am real, or how do I look?

4. Anyone out there who developed a good relationship with a serous SB without ever sharing a photo before first meet?

5. What is a typical type of private photos you share (e. G. Face pic, photo showing the whole body). Typically how many private photos?

Sorry for loaded questions, I need some guidance. Or am I over-paranoid about this whole photo thing? Or am I not the kind of guy who should get in to this SA thing? By the way I am in my early 50's and in good shape for my age.

Thanks for your input.

Dr. S.

Your over thinking this. Keep it simple. Anyone who meets without wanting a pic is in the business at one time or another. You wouldn't meet a girl without knowing what she looks like so why should she. Anyway you provide a pic can be used so there is no way out on tjat. Do private pics you can control access to or text or kik. I provide pics by text or kik, a face and body shot is all they need. Remember your paying these girls so if your early 50's and good shape you should be able to find younger women anywhere without an arrangement unless your shooting for the 18-22 age bracket. Late 20's and up you should be civy dating if looking for a relationship. Paying for a relationship to start you will never know if its your assests or you they are interested in until you cut the money off.

[DrSummer]

Fellow member from Charleston, SC. You guys are doing a wonderful job here to the SD community with this thread. Tremendously valuable information. Let me explain my situation. I signed up for SA about few months ago just for a month. I chatted with about 50 girls, met 8 girls in person (2 flaked), and went on dates with 5 (all intimate to hotel rooms except one). But, my gut feeling is that all of those five are either Pros or at least UTR escorts. I was not inclined to go on repeat dates with any of those girls. My objective of joining SA is to find a decent SB with whom I can have little bit closer relationship or connection than what I get from a BP girl or UTR escort where it is just one hour affair and done.

I think the results I got from SA is mainly due to my own flawed approach. I am obsessed with privacy and anonymity, and don't want to be featured in sites such as pred alert etc. I am divorced and no SO, but don't want my children to know what's going on. My ethnicity is not white or black and it is rare, and I have unique features so if my face photo is placed in such a website, it would be easy for anyone who knows me to identify me. Although I am not into social media, there are enough of my photos on the web with my name associated for my professional work.

I was a premium member at SA and had a profile photo very casual and with no face shown. Did not upload any private photos. I have chatted with about 10 girls whom I thought serous SB's and what I am looking for (mostly college girls and some other 25-30 yr range). In most cases, we agreed on almost everything (I am not a haggler when it comes to allowance as long as the offer is reasonable), except the photo issue. They were adamant either I upload private photos and give access to them or e-mail or text them photos. I was stubborn and didn't give in, so most of these chats ended there. My argument was that I was ready to M&G any place and any time they want before going on a date, so photos are not necessary. Looking back, the girls who did not demand the photos (and whom I met and dates) are the Pros. I understand why a serious SB wants to see photo of a person before agreeing to M&G, it was a mistake from my end.

I am going to renew membership again and trying to relax my rules on photos so that I can actually get a real SB to meet me. Few advice I need from fellow members.

1. Do you think giving access to private photos after establishing good connection with a girl is safer than e-mailing or texting photos directly? I know if someone wants thy can take a screenshot of uploaded photos and use them for anything if needed. They want to.

2. Do girls always demand clear face photos or some slight alteration to hide identity is OK with girls?

3. What do girls really want by demanding photos. Just to make sure I am real, or how do I look?

4. Anyone out there who developed a good relationship with a serous SB without ever sharing a photo before first meet?

5. What is a typical type of private photos you share (e. G. Face pic, photo showing the whole body). Typically how many private photos?

Sorry for loaded questions, I need some guidance. Or am I over-paranoid about this whole photo thing? Or am I not the kind of guy who should get in to this SA thing? By the way I am in my early 50's and in good shape for my age.

Thanks for your input.

Dr. S.

[Ltnric]

I wanted to talk to them about predalert. In two months I've been hit twice. WTF! Are they pyshing here or are they in cahoots with these vermin?

Sorry for my ignorance but what is predalert? Is Vanilla one no longer working.

[Rvaexec60]

I have been reading this board for a long time. The information provided has been instrumental in me making.

Several connections on SA. I want to return the favor to anyone who might be interested in meeting an attractive.

Asian SB who needs help. I am taking some time away from the scene for a while.

So please PM me if you are interested and live in RVA area.

[DoggieFan]

Yeah, I hear you. Common "bug" with GV as it were. Had a buddy do something similar and ended up calling the girl back on his regular phone (I. E. NOT layered GV on burner) and she got his real number. That was fine as she was cool, except for the fact that SB called real number while his SO was borrowing his phone!

The thing you need to do with GV is make sure you are in the app when you initiate any calls or texts. Oh sure, the real number comes into your burner phone or real phone and the phone always asks you if you wish to return the call. But that is NOT the app asking! I think if one looks closely they will see the VERY subtle difference. So you have to step away from that message and back into the app.

I've made the same mistake with GV. I called a provider back after missing her call. Then realized I dialed her back from my real cell number. Luckily it was a escort I've seenfor years and she is cool.

Definitely a wake up call. Luckily I'm Super careful with my phone when around the SO.

[DoggieFan]

Brothers.

So after a bit of initial relapses, I landed up meeting with a sweet SB. We have already met couple of times. She is a bit unbelievable one with such brain and beauty. I am honestly surprised why she is at SA at all But here's the twist, I am heading out for a short business trip soon and I am wondering if it might be a good idea to bring her along. It's a short couple of days trip and I don't have a lot of work to wrap up so essentially plenty of time I can technically spend with her. Has anyone tried that sort of adventure with SB here? At this point, we both know each other by our alias only, no personal info disclosed and we meet privately only. If I do take her on this trip then I guess we will disclose our true identities to each other. My goal is to just have a pure fun trip with her day and night. Am I am over expanding my wings here? What should I be watching here? Is this the dumbest idea ever? Give me pros and cons so that I can think straight.

That really depends on your situation and what you have to lose.

If your single with no SO, or no problem if your relationship became public knowledge then go for it.

I just wrapped up a two year SD / SO relationship with a 25 year old that sounds similar. Model looks, legit bikini model and a 3. 8 student.

I think it was a month before she told me her name, but like six months before I told her all my personal stuff. Saw her 1-4 Times a month. Actually caught feelings for each other but with the safety net of both having SOs and not wanting more than we had.

Plus huge age difference.

It was an awesome two years. Back to the escort scene. Plus cultivating a new SB.

If your driving she will know your vehicle and plate but you could leave her in the car when you check in and keep your identity private. If your both flying together that would be tough.

Good luck!

[FruitNinja]

They got me twice. Both GV numbers and my picture is nondescript and shows no face so I give a shit. I emailed SA tech support and told them about it and said that the male community is talking about it. I think if we all email them they may actually do something about it. They said their lawyers are working on it.

[FruitNinja]

I have been rejected for using a fake address too. Vanilla one cards and a $500 gift card I received for a sales contest. The $500 card is on hold (pfraud is the actual status). They have been holding $350 of my money for 6 months now and I have been fighting with their customer service team in India for 3 months. I finally gave in and gave them a copy of my drivers license, actual address and real name. It goes against all my rules but $350 is a fair chunk of change. It's still not resolved even after doing all of that.

Their software could not verify the address (an actual address) with my fake name so they just shut the card down. On the upside, I get to speak to someone in Delhi a few times a month.

I wanted to talk to them about predalert. In two months I've been hit twice. WTF! Are they pyshing here or are they in cahoots with these vermin?

[CletePurcell]

Saw somewhere someone said they got OneVanilla Visa to work in the last week. Last time I got rejected initially, but then changed the registration info on the card to an actual generic address instead of the fake I was using, and then it took it.

I have been rejected for using a fake address too. Vanilla one cards and a $500 gift card I received for a sales contest. The $500 card is on hold (pfraud is the actual status). They have been holding $350 of my money for 6 months now and I have been fighting with their customer service team in India for 3 months. I finally gave in and gave them a copy of my drivers license, actual address and real name. It goes against all my rules but $350 is a fair chunk of change. It's still not resolved even after doing all of that.

Their software could not verify the address (an actual address) with my fake name so they just shut the card down. On the upside, I get to speak to someone in Delhi a few times a month.

[FruitNinja]

GV used to go to my iOs messaging app when I first set it up. I logged out and logged back in and now it only goes to the GV app so nothing in my messages. Not sure how that happened but you might try the same off google how to do it.

Can you clarify one thing about GV? I have been using it recently on my Android phone, I like it fine. I gave the GV # to a POT, and she decides to call me. I was busy so I didn't answer, then responded with a text. However, the incoming call and the outgoing text were on my burner #, not my GV #. It's not a big deal, she's a nice lady, I don't feel any threat. However, for those of you who use GV on your personal phone to keep safe (say from a SO, avoiding the existence of a burner), I can see this could be a problem. I would prefer everything go through GV now that I have it. Please tell me what I have done wrong with my settings, or is this 'normal operation'?

[Cephlapod Love]

Can you clarify one thing about GV? I have been using it recently on my Android phone, I like it fine. I gave the GV # to a POT, and she decides to call me. I was busy so I didn't answer, then responded with a text. However, the incoming call and the outgoing text were on my burner #, not my GV #. It's not a big deal, she's a nice lady, I don't feel any threat. However, for those of you who use GV on your personal phone to keep safe (say from a SO, avoiding the existence of a burner), I can see this could be a problem. I would prefer everything go through GV now that I have it. Please tell me what I have done wrong with my settings, or is this 'normal operation'?

Yeah, I hear you. Common "bug" with GV as it were. Had a buddy do something similar and ended up calling the girl back on his regular phone (I. E. NOT layered GV on burner) and she got his real number. That was fine as she was cool, except for the fact that SB called real number while his SO was borrowing his phone!

The thing you need to do with GV is make sure you are in the app when you initiate any calls or texts. Oh sure, the real number comes into your burner phone or real phone and the phone always asks you if you wish to return the call. But that is NOT the app asking! I think if one looks closely they will see the VERY subtle difference. So you have to step away from that message and back into the app.

[RVASpider]

Appreciate your suggestions!

Thanks.

I've liked using the Burner app. It's pretty user friendly.

[FarFarAway]

I've used google voice for years. You can set it to link with your messaging app on your phone so it acts like an intermediary.

Can you clarify one thing about GV? I have been using it recently on my Android phone, I like it fine. I gave the GV # to a POT, and she decides to call me. I was busy so I didn't answer, then responded with a text. However, the incoming call and the outgoing text were on my burner #, not my GV #. It's not a big deal, she's a nice lady, I don't feel any threat. However, for those of you who use GV on your personal phone to keep safe (say from a SO, avoiding the existence of a burner), I can see this could be a problem. I would prefer everything go through GV now that I have it. Please tell me what I have done wrong with my settings, or is this 'normal operation'?

[FruitNinja]

Appreciate your suggestions!

Thanks.

I've used google voice for years. You can set it to link with your messaging app on your phone so it acts like an intermediary.