"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FruitNinja]

You could say it's a hooker / john situation, but it is slightly more than that as we kiss and caress and she has orgasims.

I have one like that. She likes me and would probably see me for nothing.

[Snake27]

I was a premium member on SA for a month. Two years ago I was on SD4 M. SA has about 20 times the volume of women. The patterns of behavior are similar between the sites. I talked to perhaps 300 women and nearly all conversations went nowhere. It was tiresome. Mind you, I am polite, friendly, and reasonable. Maybe it's my personality. YMMV, as usual. I think that 95% of the profiles go silent after a week. It's a striking observation! What does that mean?! Based on reading here and my own intuition, I suppose that most of the women are afraid and give up. They may start with some optimistic idea of finding a rich guy, a Big Fish, but then after many crude solicitations ($20 BJ or $40 QV or whatever) they run away. It reminds me of the one SB I met from SD4 M (I reported on her) : scared, naive, had moral qualms, but I got lucky because she liked me in a qualified way.

Some girls want exclusive arrangements with monthly allowances, typically $1500 and I think $1000 is the minimum (I tended to look for young, under 25, and fairly attractive.) One girl I met (my entry 14766) would have been worth 1500, but I'm not rich. She was active online the whole time I was. I guess it's not easy to land a Big Fish. My budget is $600/ month cash to the SB plus overhead for date costs and hotel. For that pathetic amount I think you can become the regular client of someone who you would probably be sharing with others. I met 3 women in person, who were all the actual person in their profile pics, and I have had sex with 2, admittedly not much statistics to draw any conclusions from and a modest contribution to the many good stories on this thread.

One of my sexual encounters was with a girl who looked on her profile like she was an athletic dancer and very sexual. Both turned out to be true! She's 23, a single mom, had a day job and works sometimes at a strip club on the weekends, and she indeed liked sex. A lot. However, she didn't want to have dates or go to dinner for only $200. She politely pointed out that dinner would cost extra. For $200 she would only do a hotel visit. It actually made sense because she had to hire a baby sitter and a driver, and time is money. Very sweet and friendly girl, she would make a good "SB", just not for me. It was funny that when we had the M&G she very rapidly and professionally found out about me, what I wanted and for how much. After 5 minutes she declared "Ok, I accept. You're not creepy!" It seems that not being creepy and my willingness to meet her price was sufficient.

The other sexual contact was with a cute 19 yo college girl, I already described the first encouner (entry 14835). It was amazing. I have had two follow-up visits and more is planned. All during the time I was on SA she was online frequently and she's already forgotten my name. She likes sex, is very pretty, and I guess she is parlaying that into paying for college with clients who meet her criteria and her price ($200). The encounters are secret and purely physical. A talk with her is simple and direct. She says she likes me and wants to continue. It fits my budget because I can control the frequency of visits. Perhaps I'll say more on that situation later, after it plays itself out. You could say it's a hooker / john situation, but it is slightly more than that as we kiss and caress and she has orgasims.

[Ernest Ll]

I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$.

If there were no shortage of $1 k SDs, then the rest of us would be out of luck.

Just like I tell my employees who complain that their PT gigs pay better than their FT job with me.

"So make it your FT gig".

"But they don't have enough work for me to be FT at that rate".

And you answered your own question.

AT least your gal is smart enough to do the math.

[RVASpider]

Keep in mind most girls lie about how much they actually get or have gotten in the past.

I think most probably do. I talked one super hot one down from $2000 to $300 for drinks and an hour of her time after. I'm sure some guys out there have a ton of cash to spend and are outbidding everyone else.

[CandyMan555]

Why am I getting this message?? Did my subscription expire?? I usually get message when my subscription is nearing the end,.

Thanks CM.

[Doc2016]

I was browsing around and saw this. Thoughts? Seems to be originating in our neck of the woods.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...dating-website

[FarFarAway]

Your over thinking this. Keep it simple. Anyone who meets without wanting a pic is in the business at one time or another. You wouldn't meet a girl without knowing what she looks like so why should she. Anyway you provide a pic can be used so there is no way out on tjat. Do private pics you can control access to or text or kik. I provide pics by text or kik, a face and body shot is all they need. Remember your paying these girls so if your early 50's and good shape you should be able to find younger women anywhere without an arrangement unless your shooting for the 18-22 age bracket. Late 20's and up you should be civy dating if looking for a relationship. Paying for a relationship to start you will never know if its your assests or you they are interested in until you cut the money off.

If I had my preference, I'd use Snapchat. They can keep a photo, but it's tough, and they have to plan ahead. I have it on my phone, but I get little uptake when I offer it these days. They're fickle. I think Kik is not as safe, the photo stays there.

[John HandCock]

Keep in mind most girls lie about how much they actually get or have gotten in the past.

Some do lie while others get it. Couple years ago there was a girl in Cincinnati that cleaned up for almost a year doing nothing more than arm candy for $500-$800. Guys who have the money have no problem spending it.

[EvilTmp]

Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.

Keep in mind most girls lie about how much they actually get or have gotten in the past.

[RVASpider]

This is a big problem in Chicago. There's a lot of high net worth guys that just don't care. I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$ but that's for unlimited shots and she hangs out for as long as I want. I had one the other day. Two pops and she tried to get a third out of me. "I want you to see me again" She worked it hard but this 60 year old dick would not cooperate. I needed another hour of rest and I would have been good. She's up for anything and very appreciative.

It's ridiculous. I had a drink with one last night. No charge for the meet but wanted $300 for dinner and another $300 if anything else happened. She wouldn't split them either so dinner was part of the package. I told her she can text me when she's ready to bring those down.

[FruitNinja]

Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.

This is a big problem in Chicago. There's a lot of high net worth guys that just don't care. I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$ but that's for unlimited shots and she hangs out for as long as I want. I had one the other day. Two pops and she tried to get a third out of me. "I want you to see me again" She worked it hard but this 60 year old dick would not cooperate. I needed another hour of rest and I would have been good. She's up for anything and very appreciative.

[FruitNinja]

Need some advice here. This is the first promising potential M&G.

Below is a rough approximation of a conversation I'm having with a POT. Profile says she's just out of college, super cute.

Spidey-sense is tingling. This feels too easy to me. She works at night. Ready to roll. Happy to send pics. Thoughts? Pro?

Also, are there specific things I can ask her to do up front that will remove the possibility that she's LEO? I wondered if the more provocative pic, depending on how provocative, would cover me.

Me: You have a great smile! What kind of arrangement would you like?

Her: NSA, FWB.

Me: I come down 2 x a month for business. You down for lunch dates or does work conflict?

Her: No I'm free during day I work at night.

Me: very good. Where would you like to meet?

Her: (Place somewhere between our stated locations).

Me: Meet for coffee at 10 on Wednesday and then maybe room service for lunch if things go well?

Her: Yeah.

Me: Other than the help you get, what do you like most about your arrangements?

Her: Sex I love the older guy / younger girl senerio.

Me: We have that in common. Can you do one thing for me? I need a more provocative picture that shows your body somewhat, with you holding up the peace sign so I know it's you. Need to protect against catfish. So many of them on here. I appreciate you being real.

Her: Okay I need your number.

If you have time I would do a M&G and see where it goes. What do you have to loose? Lunch? You probably eat lunch anyway. .

[FruitNinja]

I am going to renew membership again and trying to relax my rules on photos so that I can actually get a real SB to meet me. Few advice I need from fellow members.

You should have very few rules and kind of roll with it. They are young and the newer ones spoke quickly. Think about it from their view.

1. Do you think giving access to private photos after establishing good connection with a girl is safer than e-mailing or texting photos directly? I know if someone wants thy can take a screenshot of uploaded photos and use them for anything if needed. They want to.

I email or text after I've established rapport and verified that they are a real person. There are ways to do this. Use your big head.

2. Do girls always demand clear face photos or some slight alteration to hide identity is OK with girls?

Again, put yourself in their shoes. Would you meet a girl without knowing what she looks like? For the most part these are not pros. They are college kids.

3. What do girls really want by demanding photos. Just to make sure I am real, or how do I look?

Think about this a little.

4. Anyone out there who developed a good relationship with a serous SB without ever sharing a photo before first meet?

Nope and I've had plenty. Don't be sketchy you will spook them.

5. What is a typical type of private photos you share (e. G. Face pic, photo showing the whole body). Typically how many private photos?

Dude, way over thinking this. One full length photo is what I send.

Sorry for loaded questions, I need some guidance. Or am I over-paranoid about this whole photo thing? Or am I not the kind of guy who should get in to this SA thing? By the way I am in my early 50's and in good shape for my age.

Thanks for your input.

Dr. S.

Read my answers above. You are way overthinking this.

[RVASpider]

Which one of you is offerings SBs $700 to meet for dinner? I've now had 3 that want between $500 to $700 just to meet and greet. I'm kidding that it's someone on here because it's probably the girls shooting for the moon. Of course it's the hottest ones doing it but I've found some good ones that didn't charge for the initial meet and greet. I'm checking the site as we speak for more of those.

[JustLonely]

My stable of SB's who will see me at 60 years old is down to one. Anyone on here have someone they have had luck with and is willing to share? Not interested in Cindy who has been online forever and sends me messages every few weeks. Please pm me. I have a white 21 year old that I will share in return. Thanks.