"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**TomDickNHarry** · 03-06-18 18:56

She probably wants something like 300 but if if she approached it this way then she should be fine with 250. Given that she's hosting I think 200 is probably not the right number, though you also did wait until the 3rd date for an FC so you've spent some time lol.

I've almost always found that when they don't discuss money upfront they are good with whatever you give them. I've had a few exceptions during many years on SA, two come to mind where she texted afterwards and said she wanted something much different, like 2 x what I gave her. Obviously just didn't see those again. The other was recent and after the entire deed was done, twice, she then wanted to talk amounts LOL. I ended up giving her more than I wanted, especially since she didn't host and I rented a room, but it wasn't an insane amount, so again I just didn't repeat and assumed it as a cost of doing business. At least she was hot.

If it were me, I'd attempt to leave 250 on the nightstand on my way out (200 if you really want to push it but not if you really want to see her again). Worst that can happen is either she stops you on the way out and says it's not enough, and you probably bump it up a bit to not cause a scene and get out, then not repeat, or she texts after to say it was not enough and again, you don't repeat. In the first scenario, unless you shared personal info and have an SO, there's not much she can do about it anyway even if she's highly disappointed.

But girls who have been on the site a while and still don't discuss price in advance, and list practical expectations, are not likely to have gps.
I've found girls who have been on the site for a while fall into 2 categories. Almost all start off as the "shoot for the moon types" thinking they can get 5+ per meet, trips and allowances but most become more realistic over time and realize that's hard to find but that they can see one or a few guys for reasonable gifts on a very regular basis. Other category are those who either get lucky off the bat with a guy who does that once b/c they are new, or are very stubborn and eventually find someone to give them that, even if it's just once or twice. Then they keep insisting on that with everyone they talk to even as they get rejected by 90%+ of the guys. But the one thing about those shoot for the moon types is that they know their rejection rate is 9 out of 10 and so they spell those expectations out early, they don't say gift what you think appropriate like your girl so she's not in that camp at least.

However, I rarely find 200 is something they find acceptable anymore, there has definitely been a trend towards the number being closer to 300 for the SA types over the last couple of years. Good luck and hope that helps.

Originally Posted by JustLonely [View Original Post]

Some new territory for me as I never had any luck with the SA gals who have been on that site for over 2 years. But I did contact one recently that has now come to the third date with discussed plans for the first trip to the FC after dinner at her place. She wasn't shy about her telling her boundaries in the bedroom and even said I should "gift" her whatever amount I thought was appropriate. Well, she has practical on her expectations and I am not sure my usual gift of $$ will keep her happy. I could do $$$ but I don't want to spend but so much over the long term. Any thoughts on women who are "practical" in their expectations?

**JustLonely** · 03-06-18 17:28

Some new territory for me as I never had any luck with the SA gals who have been on that site for over 2 years. But I did contact one recently that has now come to the third date with discussed plans for the first trip to the FC after dinner at her place. She wasn't shy about her telling her boundaries in the bedroom and even said I should "gift" her whatever amount I thought was appropriate. Well, she has practical on her expectations and I am not sure my usual gift of $$ will keep her happy. I could do $$$ but I don't want to spend but so much over the long term. Any thoughts on women who are "practical" in their expectations?

**Ernest Ll** · 03-06-18 13:25

Originally Posted by FruitNinja [View Original Post]

Out of curiosity what makes you think she's a pro?

Not in her case, but I was recently in Boston and found many that struck me as pros because.

* Agreed to meet and all pertinent details (activities, logistics) before viewing my photos.

* Started off saying she was only interested in per meet.

* Immediately switch to texting.

* Public photos are very sexy lingerie shots showing her face.

**FruitNinja** · 03-05-18 21:10

Originally Posted by S2568 [View Original Post]

She looks to be a pro, any info is appreciated thanks.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...0-acf4271fcb08

Out of curiosity what makes you think she's a pro?

**FruitNinja** · 03-05-18 21:06

Originally Posted by Admin2 [View Original Post]

I just couldn't take it anymore.

If you want to continue spreading all this stupid mis-information then take it to the fight thread.

Otherwise you guys need to get back to talking about how to pay way too much money and get involved in way too much drama so you can pretend you're not a john for chicks that want to pretend they aren't hookers

A2

As I couldn't reply to your previous post about why the government would spend all those resources on finding mongers through IP addresses. :

I live near Chicago. If you saw the manpower County and the city put out on the street to either entrap guys looking for fun or bust Asian massage parlors you would be amazed. CPD put 10-20 uniformed and undercover cops to bust a two woman AMP. Our County Sheriff is obsessed with this. He's the one that tried shutting down BP by going after the credit card companies. I read a lot of news. Maybe to much for my own good. I'm a businessman and very practical in the use of resources. It's mind boggling. And as someone else said all it will take is one high profile monger hitting the news cycle and it's game over as we know it.

**VAvet** · 03-05-18 19:02

Would agree with the semi pro status for yoga pants, but regardless she's really cool and lots of fun. Treat her right.

Anyone have any info on milf4 sd? She seems really cool, kind of threw me how quickly she went to the FC discussion via texts with very specific details. Was a little worried she might be LEO, even though I've not heard of them in the bowl around here.

FWIW, been doing the sugar bowl thing in Richmond for years, happy to trade info via pm. Are used to be a senior member but had to start over. You guys know the drill.

Originally Posted by Starkey2008 [View Original Post]

I've met her. She's legit. I'd call her semi-pro. She's danced before and is more P2 P than long term. But does work with her mom in the business. She's real chill and easy to get along with and will head to the FC pretty quick. Go for it.

Starkey.

**Starkey 2008** · 03-05-18 18:46

I've met her. She's legit. I'd call her semi-pro. She's danced before and is more P2 P than long term. But does work with her mom in the business. She's real chill and easy to get along with and will head to the FC pretty quick. Go for it.

Starkey.

Originally Posted by S2568 [View Original Post]

She looks to be a pro, any info is appreciated thanks.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...0-acf4271fcb08

**Harpman31** · 03-05-18 18:17

Originally Posted by JustLonely [View Original Post]

I exchanged about a dozen messages with her 2 weeks ago. Did not seem like a pro to me. She says she and her mom run a business together so she has a flexible schedule. Our conversation died off after a few days of going nowhere. She does have a nice butt in her mild private pics. I was a bit distracted with another younger gal I was messaging then so she sort of slipped through my fingers I guess. She didn't seem like a straight to the FC kind of person IMHO.

Have not had the opportunity to contact yet. She was on my radar but my current two UTRs have been taking up a lot of my time. Getting ready to cut one loose and look for someone new, so let us know if you TOFTT and I'll do the same. Thanks.

**BlueFalcon123** · 03-05-18 17:27

Originally Posted by JustLonely [View Original Post]

I exchanged about a dozen messages with her 2 weeks ago. Did not seem like a pro to me. She says she and her mom run a business together so she has a flexible schedule. Our conversation died off after a few days of going nowhere. She does have a nice butt in her mild private pics. I was a bit distracted with another younger gal I was messaging then so she sort of slipped through my fingers I guess. She didn't seem like a straight to the FC kind of person IMHO.

Hey Guys. I dreamt of her a couple of times last summer. $$ was the damage. BB optional. She is responsive to daty. Has a kid. So, belly shows a bit. Nice a $$. Avail in midlo and Williamsburg. You need to get a room for fun. Stay safe!

**JustLonely** · 03-05-18 16:17

Originally Posted by S2568 [View Original Post]

She looks to be a pro, any info is appreciated thanks.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...0-acf4271fcb08

I exchanged about a dozen messages with her 2 weeks ago. Did not seem like a pro to me. She says she and her mom run a business together so she has a flexible schedule. Our conversation died off after a few days of going nowhere. She does have a nice butt in her mild private pics. I was a bit distracted with another younger gal I was messaging then so she sort of slipped through my fingers I guess. She didn't seem like a straight to the FC kind of person IMHO.

**S2568** · 03-05-18 13:08

She looks to be a pro, any info is appreciated thanks.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...0-acf4271fcb08

**DavidS78** · 03-05-18 09:17

Anyone met her? Seems very reasonable with her expectations so I'll probably tofft either way, PM.

**Admin2** · 03-04-18 13:22

I just couldn't take it anymore.

If you want to continue spreading all this stupid mis-information then take it to the fight thread.

Otherwise you guys need to get back to talking about how to pay way too much money and get involved in way too much drama so you can pretend you're not a john for chicks that want to pretend they aren't hookers

A2

**FarFarAway** · 03-04-18 12:47

[Deleted by Admin]When the head of the CIA can get caught, even though they were using an ingenious trick (merely writing draft messages but not sending them, on an account they both had access to), we're all at risk (admittedly, to the resources of the NSA). [Deleted by Admin]

That is your answer, when you're the head of the CIA and the FBI (deadly enemies of the CIA since WWII)
gets the sent of wrongdoing and can get the NSA looking at you, PLUS the chick you're banging is fucking stupid enough to send threatening emails from the same account in a word, you are FUCKED.

It's not so much that "when the head of the CIA can get caught" than it was "he got caught because he was the head of the CIA"

A2

**FarFarAway** · 03-04-18 10:36

Originally Posted by Assaholic [View Original Post]

A2 is correct. Don't go to WhatIsMyIp or similar sites. Most of them have malware or adware payloads. Just go to Google and type "What is my IP".

FFA, I AM the geek you're referring to, LOL. I do this stuff for a living. I don't know how SA knows what country your dialing in from, but a couple of possibilities come to mind: a) you didn't fully flush your browser cookies, or you did but SA could be using supercookies which are not easy to purge; or b) English and US are the defaults that SA assumes because that's where most of their customers are; or c) Maybe your Tor connection's exit point just happened to be located in the states. Test it by Googling geolocation or just go to iplocation dot net. It will tell you where you appear to be coming from.

I will give you the technical chops, but your logic here is faulty. No, it's not.

A2