"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Waxxon]

I'm not sure what the problem is but I find SA very productive. I've done the pros all over the world, have been working CL for probably 8 years. They changed the posting rules so it sucks now, or I don't want to research how to get around it. But SA has been the most bang for the buck. In about a week or so I had a three girl rotation going with a shitload wanting to meet. Most have averaged out at $$$ or less. The Latina I'm playing with now is probably more than I should be spending but she's adorable and has a banging body. I mean shit, I'm 60 and banging a 19 year old Latina. Win! I'm just not understanding guys that say they are having a hard time on SA. It's not rocket science.

Think psychology.

Have found this board most informative in my short time on this site. Agree SA is a mongers playground, you just need some game and know how to take care of a woman, and be able to adapt to their intricacies. Rotation management is key, the latest addition has worked her way to #1 in just 3 weeks. It's a tad higher investment than my routine allowance (2-3), but she is lovely, long and slender with perfect curves, intelligent, stays overnight with 1-2 more play periods the next day, treats me like the man of her dreams with the chemistry that we all search for.

Thanks for the insight here.

[Madaboutmax]

One additional downside of treating SA like BP is that it tends to scare away my target demographic. Women who don't think of themselves as escorts get turned off quickly when propositioned for straight up pay for play.

Just like in strip clubs, proposition the right dancer you can get lucky, proposition the wrong dancer get slapped and thrown out by the bouncer.

I wish more guys knew how to navigate the waters and not scare away the newbies. Pros aren't hard to spot!! LOL.

I wouldn't be too surprised by that kind of interaction.

1) With the slow demise of BP and other sites, more guys are headed to SA to get girls. Dude's "problem" with SA is to pick out & avoid the pros & BP girls. True SB's "problem" is deciphering if a guy is really into an on-going arrangement or will dump them once they dated once. Dudes who use SA as an escort site are what ruins it for those of us who truly seek an on-going arrangement. Sigh.

2) When I post elsewhere I frequently get contacted by "members" with less than 50 posts (usually less than 20) who expect me to share the names, numbers and info on girls I have developed. Of course, when I politely decline, their sense of 'entitlement" kicks in and I get a similar profanity laced response. That always leaves me shaking my head, but in retrospect, I am grateful for the reply. See, anyone with that kind of attitude and short fuse has the potential to be a scary date for the girl and I sure would feel badly if I was the one who passed her on. Sadly bad behavior by a few often dissuades others from posting or sharing. Sigh.

Have had experiences where I shared an UTR girl with a "senior" member: dude shorted her on the Poetry Reading Fee and then tried to run her down with his car when she chased him to the parking lot. UTR girls tell me of dudes who provide "gifts" that are counterfeit cash. Oh and then there are the ones who give a girl $20 ask her to head into the convenience store and buy them smokes and then drive off. That on top of worse things. So none of these stories of bad monger behavior surprise me anymore, sadly. Can you imagine dealing with that sort of "attitude" 100-times over on a daily basis like someone here has to? Yousa!

Honor among thieves? Honor among mongers?

[FarFarAway]

On SA is a perennial problem for those of us w / SOs. A bowl brother PMd me but is too shy, so I will share his findings, edited somewhat.

'went to Walmart and purchased a Walmart visa debit card blue in color. It says green dot issued on back. (he activated it w / fake name address ss#, messing about online and by calling the 800# Their system said I couldn't use it overseas or online. I tried it anyway and to my surprise it worked. The card cost 1 at the store plus there is like a 4 or 5 fee they charge on first use. '.

[TheMarto1]

I checked my SA inbox (very slow pushing notifications in the app) and 2 ladys contacted me one I know is real because I have her fb another looks like latina but she is white she looks very juice both replayed with rates I'm very interested in one of them if one of you wants the info I share with you but you must.

Sm.

Contribute to this forum.

And having hard time finding lady in SA.

[Cephlapod Love]

So I get a PM from a member yesterday. Not going to mention any names. Goes something like this. "Hey when you're done with the Latina can you pass her on to me?" It doesn't work that way. When I explain that you have to do your homework and or join the site I get a profanity filled reply. Mind you this is the first time this guy has ever messaged me. I don't know the guy from Adam. I'm not sure what the thinking is here but it costs a lot of time and a lot of money to play this game. If you can't score on SA go back to paying for pros. I'm amazed at the gall of some guys.

I wouldn't be too surprised by that kind of interaction.

1) With the slow demise of BP and other sites, more guys are headed to SA to get girls. Dude's "problem" with SA is to pick out & avoid the pros & BP girls. True SB's "problem" is deciphering if a guy is really into an on-going arrangement or will dump them once they dated once. Dudes who use SA as an escort site are what ruins it for those of us who truly seek an on-going arrangement. Sigh.

2) When I post elsewhere I frequently get contacted by "members" with less than 50 posts (usually less than 20) who expect me to share the names, numbers and info on girls I have developed. Of course, when I politely decline, their sense of 'entitlement" kicks in and I get a similar profanity laced response. That always leaves me shaking my head, but in retrospect, I am grateful for the reply. See, anyone with that kind of attitude and short fuse has the potential to be a scary date for the girl and I sure would feel badly if I was the one who passed her on. Sadly bad behavior by a few often dissuades others from posting or sharing. Sigh.

Have had experiences where I shared an UTR girl with a "senior" member: dude shorted her on the Poetry Reading Fee and then tried to run her down with his car when she chased him to the parking lot. UTR girls tell me of dudes who provide "gifts" that are counterfeit cash. Oh and then there are the ones who give a girl $20 ask her to head into the convenience store and buy them smokes and then drive off. That on top of worse things. So none of these stories of bad monger behavior surprise me anymore, sadly. Can you imagine dealing with that sort of "attitude" 100-times over on a daily basis like someone here has to? Yousa!

Honor among thieves? Honor among mongers?

[FruitNinja]

I think this is at the root of the original question posed by the title of this thread.

Are sugarbabaies any different than escorts? If not, what makes them different? Are all women on the sugar sites sugarbabies? Some of the discussions have gotten ugly.

For me, the type of sugarbaby I look for, wouldn't sleep with just anyone for the money. They need a connection and wouldn't want to be "traded". I find the experience far beyond what I could ever find in a BP girl.

I don't judge guys looking for straight escorts. If I didn't have the SBs I have now, I may do it too.

My greater concern is treating girls on SA like BP girls runs the risk that SA will suffer the same fate as BP. I know some guys will think I'm fooling myself thinking SBs are any different than escorts. I don't really care, why should They? LOL.

You are spot on. There are a number of pros on the site but for the most part they are your average girls next door that heard about SA through a friend. I prefer girls going to school because they are the ones testing the waters. I like to get them when they just join. I have had four arrangements that have lasted from 2-3 years. One lived with me for three years. Moved in when she was a little over 18 and moved out a little after she turned 21. I had her for her best years. She was intelligent, mature for her age, submissive and had a body to die for. Most need a connection before they will go to bed with you. All a pro needs is the $$ You want a pros number? I have no problem providing that. You want the number of a SB? Not going to happen. Now if I hadn't deactivated my account and I knew one was a DTF I have no problem forwarding her profile and then you do the talking.

My last one loved threesomes. That would be her laying down. The blonde was one I had seen multiple times but our schedules were not compatible. Both amazing.

But that's the nature of USG, or maybe even the world in general. Everyone wants things handed to them. Do the effin work or go home. I've literally spent 10's of thousands of dollars over the years. Bought cars for them, taken them on vacations in the states and overseas. Like a real relationship. And then when I'm done for whatever reason I'm supposed to give their numbers out to random effin strangers. I'm sorry, I have too much respect for them. And if you think that this would be an OK thing to do then that's probably why you can't pull anything from SA. I don't care if she's a hooker from BP show them respect and you will go far. Make them laugh and you will go further, show them a good time and you're in.

When I explain life to the guy he sends me back a profane message. Really? Fuck that shit!

[Madaboutmax]

I think this is at the root of the original question posed by the title of this thread.

Are sugarbabaies any different than escorts? If not, what makes them different? Are all women on the sugar sites sugarbabies? Some of the discussions have gotten ugly.

For me, the type of sugarbaby I look for, wouldn't sleep with just anyone for the money. They need a connection and wouldn't want to be "traded". I find the experience far beyond what I could ever find in a BP girl.

I don't judge guys looking for straight escorts. If I didn't have the SBs I have now, I may do it too.

My greater concern is treating girls on SA like BP girls runs the risk that SA will suffer the same fate as BP. I know some guys will think I'm fooling myself thinking SBs are any different than escorts. I don't really care, why should They? LOL.

So I get a PM from a member yesterday. Not going to mention any names. Goes something like this. "Hey when you're done with the Latina can you pass her on to me?" It doesn't work that way. When I explain that you have to do your homework and or join the site I get a profanity filled reply. Mind you this is the first time this guy has ever messaged me. I don't know the guy from Adam. I'm not sure what the thinking is here but it costs a lot of time and a lot of money to play this game. If you can't score on SA go back to paying for pros. I'm amazed at the gall of some guys.

[FruitNinja]

So I get a PM from a member yesterday. Not going to mention any names. Goes something like this. "Hey when you're done with the Latina can you pass her on to me?" It doesn't work that way. When I explain that you have to do your homework and or join the site I get a profanity filled reply. Mind you this is the first time this guy has ever messaged me. I don't know the guy from Adam. I'm not sure what the thinking is here but it costs a lot of time and a lot of money to play this game. If you can't score on SA go back to paying for pros. I'm amazed at the gall of some guys.

[Utjon1978]

Perhaps if you tried using proper grammar you'd get a better response.

[And perhaps had you posted more than once every two years before you decided to be a fucking d-bag I wouldn't have gotten rid of you.

A2

[FruitNinja]

No actually it's a side to make fast cash if you ask to this hos if you want to meet someone go to the dance club or some another public place I paid membership I got non just a bouch of old pics from ladies of Brazil and west euro plus this side keep profile pic after you cancel specially hos pics but no everything was bad I have some one that was asking for 3 benjamins just for meet and making clear it was cash fuckk stupid ho what kind of ho take checks?

I'm not sure what the problem is but I find SA very productive. I've done the pros all over the world, have been working CL for probably 8 years. They changed the posting rules so it sucks now, or I don't want to research how to get around it. But SA has been the most bang for the buck. In about a week or so I had a three girl rotation going with a shitload wanting to meet. Most have averaged out at $$$ or less. The Latina I'm playing with now is probably more than I should be spending but she's adorable and has a banging body. I mean shit, I'm 60 and banging a 19 year old Latina. Win! I'm just not understanding guys that say they are having a hard time on SA. It's not rocket science.

Think psychology.

[TheMarto1]

No actually it's a side to make fast cash if you ask to this hos if you want to meet someone go to the dance club or some another public place I paid membership I got non just a bouch of old pics from ladies of Brazil and west euro plus this side keep profile pic after you cancel specially hos pics but no everything was bad I have some one that was asking for 3 benjamins just for meet and making clear it was cash fuckk stupid ho what kind of ho take checks?

[Cephlapod Love]

Sorry if this has been talked about before but just sharing. I don't have a paid membership to SA and not sure I will considering they jacked up the price again. While browsing I got this pop up. Has anyone else seen this? Sorry for the poor picture but it asks you to check boxes and one of them says that you recognize that this is not an escort site LOL.

Yes, it has been talked about on this thread in the last month. In light of what has happened to BP and similar sites, it appears to be an attempt by Wade to insulate his cash cow from similar "attention" or actions from AGs.

Even though escort adverts are ubiquitous across the web, prostitution is still illegal in all 50 states, except select counties in NV. (and one of them is NOT where Las Vegas is located!) Don't confuse what is popular with what is legal.

[Ltnric]

Sorry if this has been talked about before but just sharing. I don't have a paid membership to SA and not sure I will considering they jacked up the price again. While browsing I got this pop up. Has anyone else seen this? Sorry for the poor picture but it asks you to check boxes and one of them says that you recognize that this is not an escort site LOL.

[Ernest Ll]

Traveling is an example, but the type of travel they would consider spoiling is taking her somewhere she specifically wants to go as opposed to traveling somewhere you were already headed anyway (i.e. special trip for her entertainment).

Other common examples are taking her shopping, suffering through a movie you didn't want to see but she did, taking her on some activity that she's always wanted to do but never had the chance. I rarely actually do anything like this, I'm just saying this is what many of them consider being spoiled. Basically anything that you don't really want to do, and probably 99% of other men don't, but she does. Just think of things a father would do for his daughter on her birthday, anything that fills in the blank there would be an example.

Then there is the method of making them feel special through words and every day actions. This is just a learned skill. It's a fine balancing act that involves never relinquishing your dominance, while making her feel she is extraordinarily special. Just think of how a good father would act with his daughter -- she can't make the rules, and she can't act up without discipline, and he is in charge of everything but she receives his constant adoration. That's what most of the ones I meet are looking for, the strong but adoring dad they never had.

That last paragraph is where my specialty is. I don't take them on expensive trips or to ballgames or concerts or anything like that.

Travelling is only possible if you are willing to divulge your true identity. Hotel registrations and boarding passes make your information easy for her to find out, if not mandatorily divulged.

I can only go out to dinner when I travel and any public outings on my home turf just don't fit my lifestyle (married and live in small town. The personlized license plates my wife got me for my birthday a few years back don't help either).

I ask them what they dream of in terms of being spoiled -- the best gifts are something deeply desired that they can't afford or won't every treat themselves too. You'd be surprised at what they select. A $40 purse when I was expecting a $200 one. I ask them to fill out a wishlist on amazon of practical things (clothes, make up, household goods) and fun things (lingerie, toys, etc). Instead of taking them shopping -- time sink -- I just pick something off their list after I bang them and they get the instant gratification of the Amazon notificatioin email.

Sometimes I'll buy it and have it shipped to my office and give to her in person when we meet. One gal picked out some boots and shoes, anyone of which was around $200. I googled them and got after Christmas sales of more than 1/2 price. Since she would never buy them she had no idea I got them so cheap and she all but put them on and rode my face when I gave her the first pair. She thinks she got $400 with of shoes and fucked me all night like she did -- only cost me $200.

Also, beauty products are a HUGE hit. Its amazing how much women spend on this crap -- and most struggling SBs just get the cheap stuff from Ulta or CVS. They would never spend $20 on a single lipstick, but I must say, if you do the feeling of those $20 lips on your cock will blow your mind. The gals at the beauty stores know just what to get her -- just show them a picture or describer her hair and eye color and skin tone and they will get exactly the right thing. Makes you "sensitive" to know what a woman wants.

Gift certificates are also great for other spoiling -- and I don't mean the store kind. Charity auctions are great places to pick up hotel stays and meals on the cheap. In my case, hotels and restuarants are my clients, so we do trades sometimes. SB has a birthday coming up -- I give her dinner for two at a nice restaurant so she can go out with her bestie. I can't travel with them, but can't tell you how many SB's I've given a two night stay in DC or NYC to (cash cost $0) in exchange for a multi night fuck fest. So many want to experrience things they can't afford at this point in their lives. Plus they love showing off to their bestie whom they take with them.

[KrustyDawg7]

Appreciate the additional info. I am in rural western Virginia, and pickings are slim, so right now SA is just not worth the cost. That being said, virtually all the other SD sites are complete wastes of time. I can list those that I have looked at or tried if anyone is interested. There also are some "review" sites out there but many are simply hidden commercials for one or another of the SD sites. As you suggested, being an older SD I don't necessarily pass over the 18-25 age group, it just takes a bit of work. There are a lot of broke college girls. If you get one that is near graduating, then they will be leaving the area most likely. Which can be either a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it.

I can believe that SA might not be worth it away from urban centers. I am in southern California and there is continuous population just about from the border to Santa Barbara. Probably 25 million people. If you limit yourself to 25 YO though, you are going to have trouble. It is faulty to think if you are 60 you can't score w / a low 20's girl, even teens. I have succeeded multiple times w / girls who are 1/3 my age. Just keep in mind that this Richmond thread is the de facto national thread for sugar bowl activities, what people report is about their local experience, and there may be a *lot* of variation out there. If you need to know the best way to find SBs in your area, go to that area's thread.