Delaware Douchebaggery!

[NeedTlc]

It look like two girls to me.

No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. All my photographic work however on both..

[Cephlapod Love]

No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. All my photographic work however on both..

[Cephlapod Love]

Yeah, I know I am an azzh*le! Guys with under 50 posts frequently text me and tell me so. After all, read a few months of the threads and pick up a handful of girls and of course one is an "expert!

I dunno, don't post much in the way of reports, but that doesn't mean I have no experience or don't know what is going on.

So thought I'd give a taste of my recent experience, all fwiw. Not bragging at all, in fact part of me says nothing to be gained by posting at all. So here goes nothing.

Source of Dates (shows that I use more than one way to find dates and often keep several lines going at once ) .

3- renewed contact after many years.

5 - street scoops from 4 different strolls: MDA, LA, 4th, The Box.

4 - CL post or replies.

2- referrals from another girl, another monger.

[Cephlapod Love]

Well the douchebaggery continues around Wilmington. I continue to be shocked at how many low-life mongers are out there.

So I hear from a girl that she was NOT working but headed into a store in the MDA area and a guy approached her and offered her a date. Since she isn't adverse to that, she took him up on the offer. Dude takes her to a vacant property he owns in Richardson Park and engages in sex acts with her. He gives her some money. All seems well and good. But she heads to the store to pay her phone bill and guess what, the money gets turned down. It is counterfeit! Jeez.

So we know the dude's name, have a physical description and a description of the truck he drives. Too bad rules here prohibit posting that identifying information.

WTF is wrong with dudes? Just because a girl is dating does not mean she is sub-human or deserves bad treatment. Shoot using that logic, what does that make the dude who paid her? Lower than a wh*re?

[Cephlapod Love]

So I see another monger has reported on hitting most of the 5 Wilmington Strolls and reporting back. Nice to see someone who has learned what the area has to offer and learned from the info on these forums.

Some items to be aware of while shopping the strolls and CL:

1) MDA. A girl calls herself Ashley (This is the slim blue-eyed blonde, not the infamous Hispanic chick that often runs around with her white BF following and who is always preggers and just recently popped out No. 5 - she's usually 4th or uLA, though occasionally MDA) This Ashley is a lovely little spinner girl with a sweet personality. Just beware that her BF is probably 10 paces behind her, across the street or watching you somewhere. He's a slender black dude. When she gets dropped off, she is headed directly to him to hand over any window washing fees she might have earned.

2) Oh and there is Devon, a more mature girl (late 30's? Or older? Kinky hair (tight curls all over), blonde streaks or dye job. Caution: She has GPS on her phone and someone watching her movements, so if you park near the stroll, there is possibility of a visit. She wants to be in control and will play sweet for you, and try to play that to her advantage. A very strong personality is not afraid to turn on a dime emotionally to get the upper hand. Professes how clean she is but headed straight into the shooting galley house, across from the mini park.

3) Formerly on MDA now roaming uLA is the exotic looking girl late 30's. 5'6" ish. She looks like a non-Indian Peruvian girl: a mix of white and oriental. She carries a knife and is not above using it or ripping a guy off at knife point.

4) Oh and a new "no fly list" emerged from recent travels, three girls generally on MDA, with possible "unmentionable" issues: Tasha, Kayla & Mel. So hey, now they are "reviewed" so date them at will! LOL! Especially if one has good intact, life-long health insurance!.

5) CL girl calls herself LeiLani and located in the "north" Wilmington area. Anyone in the hood that refuses to meet in public before hosting. And who is adamant about ONLY hosting. Is one that should be viewed with caution. On inquiry of doing an out call (heading to the Crown) she asked: "Can I bring my security, ? So he can ensure my safety he won't bother us. " er, gee, does that sound safe to you? If she wants to bring security to out call, does that mean he is there hiding at the incall? Smells like set-up to me. I'm just saying!

6) Another CL girl, calls herself Ashley (24), located off MDA near BK. She has a "brother" who trails the date, is around if you do incall or noting your license plate number if you pick her up for a trip to the crown. Also beware that when communicating with her through email or text, you might actually be talking to "the brother"!

Just a little info to help the cause!

[Cephlapod Love]

Many years ago in the 80's I got nailed twice. Once in Wilmington and once in Philly. Both by street decoys. In Wilmington I was just stopped at a light and a girl asked if I was looking for a date. I responded that I really don't have any money, only $14.00 and some change. Well a hand with a badge is slammed on the windshield by one UC and a gun to my head by the female. That is all that was said. Well a short ride to a parking lot where a polaroid was taken, ticket issued and released. At this point you just want it to go away and not draw much attention. I was not looking for anyone, I was picking up my girlfriend who work at the then Raddison Hotel.

In Philly I stopped for a girl, she pointed me into a parking lot. I pull in and behind a tractor trailer is a greeting party. They however issued three different traffic tickets to make an impression not to come back. But they still required an appearance in court. That came with the cost of a days work and 5 1/2 hours sitting there, again to make an impression not to comeback. I have avoid SW's there since.

Lessons learned and extremely cautious now. I have let my guard down now with the Asians they way they are responding to appointment inquires. One cannot determine who is on the opposite end of the message and some are two explicit. I need to rethink and formulate a new game plan. Because getting caught now would be so detrimental to me.

Just curious about what you did about all of those tickets? Did you pay the Wilmington one? Sounds like you sat in Court in Philly? What was THAT outcome?

As far as rethinking and reformulating a new game plan, I am sure experienced guys here would be glad to discuss that with you!

[J Richard]

Glad this dude was able to make mistakes and walk away unscathed! Usually the streets are not so forgiving. Perhaps LE is reading here and getting smarter and not leaving bread crumbs behind? (obvious UCLE cars nearby). News Journal left out lots of details that are usually printed (Hmmmm)

Had to comment:

1. There are 22 Rules to Street Mongering. Read all THREE sections!

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/cu...MongeringRules

2. There are 24 "rules" for BP dating or dates off the internet.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...s-For-BackPage

3. Doing recon isn't necessarily looking for cop cars. Sure there may be a few marked cars around the corner, but I am looking for unmarked cars with dudes sitting in them. Also looking for buses, vans, meat packing trucks where a large number of arestees might be processed or transported.

4. Dating at a hotel / motel is always a particular risk as that is where stings happen. (economy of scale) If a girl is legit and not a b*tch, they will usually meet you at a nearby business (in public). The point of that is that LE is not likely to meet you and then have to walk back to the room or get in your car to get there. THEN your job is to ask enough of the right questions to determine if she is setting you up or not.

5. If one has never mentioned sex for money and even walks into a sting, then there is little to worry about. Save self incrimination when the cop offers to "help you out" or "it will go easier for you" if you talk to them. Watch and memorize the first 20 minutes of:

https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA

But the bottom line. And I keep pounding the table on it. Is get an education before setting out. Think with the BIG head before you let junior out!

Many years ago in the 80's I got nailed twice. Once in Wilmington and once in Philly. Both by street decoys. In Wilmington I was just stopped at a light and a girl asked if I was looking for a date. I responded that I really don't have any money, only $14.00 and some change. Well a hand with a badge is slammed on the windshield by one UC and a gun to my head by the female. That is all that was said. Well a short ride to a parking lot where a polaroid was taken, ticket issued and released. At this point you just want it to go away and not draw much attention. I was not looking for anyone, I was picking up my girlfriend who work at the then Raddison Hotel.

In Philly I stopped for a girl, she pointed me into a parking lot. I pull in and behind a tractor trailer is a greeting party. They however issued three different traffic tickets to make an impression not to come back. But they still required an appearance in court. That came with the cost of a days work and 5 1/2 hours sitting there, again to make an impression not to comeback. I have avoid SW's there since.

Lessons learned and extremely cautious now. I have let my guard down now with the Asians they way they are responding to appointment inquires. One cannot determine who is on the opposite end of the message and some are two explicit. I need to rethink and formulate a new game plan. Because getting caught now would be so detrimental to me.

[Cephlapod Love]

It was most certainly a sting. I obviously made a mistake or two, and did not follow the 21 rule protocol, but there were no cop cars and the only SUVs in the parking lot were a range rover and a jeep Cherokee. I even drove the green turtle parking lot, the border caf parking lot and the wild wings parking lot looking for police type vehicles. None.

Glad this dude was able to make mistakes and walk away unscathed! Usually the streets are not so forgiving. Perhaps LE is reading here and getting smarter and not leaving bread crumbs behind? (obvious UCLE cars nearby). News Journal left out lots of details that are usually printed (Hmmmm)

Had to comment:

1. There are 22 Rules to Street Mongering. Read all THREE sections!

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/cu...MongeringRules

2. There are 24 "rules" for BP dating or dates off the internet.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...s-For-BackPage

3. Doing recon isn't necessarily looking for cop cars. Sure there may be a few marked cars around the corner, but I am looking for unmarked cars with dudes sitting in them. Also looking for buses, vans, meat packing trucks where a large number of arestees might be processed or transported.

4. Dating at a hotel / motel is always a particular risk as that is where stings happen. (economy of scale) If a girl is legit and not a b*tch, they will usually meet you at a nearby business (in public). The point of that is that LE is not likely to meet you and then have to walk back to the room or get in your car to get there. THEN your job is to ask enough of the right questions to determine if she is setting you up or not.

5. If one has never mentioned sex for money and even walks into a sting, then there is little to worry about. Save self incrimination when the cop offers to "help you out" or "it will go easier for you" if you talk to them. Watch and memorize the first 20 minutes of:

https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA

But the bottom line. And I keep pounding the table on it. Is get an education before setting out. Think with the BIG head before you let junior out!

[Cephlapod Love]

Hey, I have been ripped off, scammed and had bad dates more than a few times. But from those experiences and from the experiences & help of others, I learned some techniques of dating to avoid bad situations.

Years ago there was a mature gal on MDA, K. She knew everyone, was friendly, kind and a good date. In fact, I called her "The Mayoress" of MDA. From time to time I would stop and just chat with K to learn "the news" of what was happening on the streets (always tossed K a few bucks for her time). Since K knew I wasn't dating her exclusively (I never hid that from K) she was open with me. K gave me a list of girls to avoid, girls I placed on a "no fly" list of sorts. When K wander on in life, C became the new Mayoress. C also was open to sharing a "no fly list" with me. (C has also moved on in life).

The point being that I had a list of girls who were either known to rip guys off or who had health issues. So I always mongered with at least $5 in a pocket in case I scooped a "no fly girl;" I could eject her with a parting favor. Luckily I only had to exercise that 'parting favor' trick a few times. But I have no doubt that saved me some serious grief.

But I will say this, I HAVE dated a few of the notorious "no fly girls" - girls who have a reputation for stealing from mongers. How did this happen? Me? I guess I F'ed up! I review the 'no fly list' before setting out each time so it is fresh in my mind. But in these cases, the girl used a different name! WTF! It wasn't until after the dates that a dude told me who that girl really was and in one case the girl told me herself her street name (the name on the no fly list).

So do I have an incident to report from these dates? Was I a victim? Actually, nope! In looking back, I am amazed that I avoided trouble with these girls. Was I lucky each time? Maybe? Perhaps some of the "technique" used helped me avoid an "incident?" But now that I have dated the girls, I know what they look like and can avoid them.

So I see quite a few low post count guys around these parts (Welcome!) but also see a lot of danger and mistakes that I have avoided by using "technique"!

Good mongering only looks easy.

Stay Safe!

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Oh and The Box is not dead! LOL! Had one of my best dates from The Box recently. Maps are posted - Go to the Forum> Special Interests> Amateurs >SW Stroll Maps>post #41. No digits, so no sharing. Oh and WTF? There is more than ONE stroll in Wilmington!

[Cephlapod Love]

So there was an incident where a date happened and something went wrong or something off the rails. Hey, it happens. In fact, if one really mongers long enough, it happens to all of us. But every time it happened to me, when I calmed down, manned up and took a serious look at my actions, I was able to find places where I lead to my own demise. There are "rules" out there. ( 22 Rules for Street Mongering / Rules for BackPage Mongering ) Rules that are advice from others who have F'ed up and learned from it. So one can get jealous that someone else gives advice or one can learn from that advice. (The alternative is to make all of the mistakes on one's own.).

Anyway, there was an "incident" that happened and the dude blew up all over these boards sounding the alarm. OK, where there is smoke there is usually fire and when a dude has a bad experience, mongers are wise to take heed. I usually just avoid anyone who has a bad report or is the subject of an "incident. " But in this case, I happened to be seeing the girl who was the subject of this "incident. " So normally, I am a "bros before hoes" guy, but in this case the level of the charge was so outrageous I was shocked. It just did not fit with my experience of the girl. Anyway. Was always raised that there are two sides to any story, so I went and sought out the info so I could make a fair evaluation.

First, I contacted the poster (privately) who claimed he had been ripped off and gave him a chance to tell his side of the story. I got an indignant reply and part of the story. In trading emails, not only did his story change, but what he eventually posted on these boards was materially different than what was reported to me. Hmmmmm. A changing story. So rather than admit he was wrong, had F'ed up and tried to learn from his mistakes, he had a tantrum all over these boards. Oh and alienated a few dudes who had been helpful to him in the past. Pure Douchbaggery!

Second, I also talked to the girl. AFTER we had a very nice date. (I never had any problems with the girl, of course I some of what I have learned help me operate in a way that would not allow problems.) I asked her enough questions that I am sure she thought I was affiliated with LE. You know a long series of questions about the incident and then coming back to key questions several times as to see if the "story" of what happened would change. What I noted was that her story NEVER CHANGED.

Third, I spoke with and PMed a few other trusted mongers that I knew had dated this girl or who were in the process of dating her regularly. What I found interesting was that they too had talked to the girl about the incident. I asked the mongers what was the "story" she told them and I was astonished to hear that they got the EXACT same story that she told me. Now get this, she told the exact same story to me and to two other mongers of what happened in this "incident!" A consistent report of the incident to three guys. Hmmmm.

So, I'm no Solomon, but weighing what I found: a dude who had a tantrum here and his story changed when relating it to me and changed even more when reporting it on the threads and a girl who reported a totally different story, but was consistent in her reporting of what happened! So who does one believe? Why?

Me, I get it! When one F*cks up, it is hard to admit it to ones self and very easy to just trash the other person on social media (this site being the only SM for mongering around). I guess it makes us feel good to trash and "hurt" a girl when something goes wrong. The problem is making our self "feel good" is a band-aid. It does nothing to cure the "problems" that allowed the incident to occur in the first place. So one feels good but never learns, never corrects their mistakes. I can guarantee that the mistakes will repeat and more grief will happen. (been there, done that!) So hey, life is just choices. One can choose to "get an education" and become a good monger or one can admit their mistakes, learn grow and avoid future drama.

Look, this stuff isn't hard stuff. It is just "hard" for some to learn to adapt or adjust their approach! I get that- I took me quite a few "incidents" before I looked in the mirror and admitted that the things I had done contributed to the "incident. " Looking back now, I can hardly believe how stupid I was! (In one "incident," I gave a girl some money to pay for a room, while I hid around the corner, out of sight. Yep, of course she saw the "sucker" label on my forehead & bounced! LOL!

We are often dealing with girls who are "street wise". They meet dudes all day, every day and if they want to stay alive the girls have to be able to quickly read a dude. So they have some "training!" What do we have to counter that? Oh wait! I know! This is mongering, no education needed, just watch a movie or TV & one will learn everything!

So hey, not saying that one should not report bad incidents. But am saying that it makes a more credible report when one points out the mistake they made (in effect publicly acknowledging the error) and stating what they could have done differently to avoid the incident. But to embellish the facts of incident or change it from one thing to another is just douchebaggery. Oh and even if one is repentant, if the issue gets brought up again, then one's true repentance can be judged by how one responds: sticks with the embellished story or correct the facts and and admit the error?

I'm just saying!

[Member #5957]

Haha I can't even imagine the in person encounter.

How quickly do you think the 300 would turn into.

600?

And who bites on this stuff and actually goes to see them?

LOL! She wants a Daddy? Got to love these girls with GPS and a HUGE attitude! Asked normal questions of this girl the other day and she immediately BLEW UP on me!

Wants 300 for a "no limits" date, which means she is f*cking guys bareback! Also has an demeanor of "take it or leave it. " No discussion of anything, just quickly to "attitude. ".

So one has to wonder about her ultimate service and friendliness when one meets. Get upset quickly over some benign email questions?

So go rush and see her as NOW apparently she is reviewed here. Hope it works out for ya! LOL!

Douchbaggery at its best.

[Cephlapod Love]

LOL! She wants a Daddy? Got to love these girls with GPS and a HUGE attitude! Asked normal questions of this girl the other day and she immediately BLEW UP on me!

Wants 300 for a "no limits" date, which means she is f*cking guys bareback! Also has an demeanor of "take it or leave it. " No discussion of anything, just quickly to "attitude. ".

So one has to wonder about her ultimate service and friendliness when one meets. Get upset quickly over some benign email questions?

So go rush and see her as NOW apparently she is reviewed here. Hope it works out for ya! LOL!

Douchbaggery at its best.

[Cephlapod Love]

This is why I am just way too paranoid to even attempt a SW. I get nervous enough doing BP even when there is a review on here or another site. I always envision the FBI busting through the door or something!

Point is that IF one is offering a girl a ride, then stopped by LE or not, one is not doing anything illegal and other than some inconvenience no worries.

When I started out in the hobby, I was equally or more so concerned or paranoid. But to overcome that I got an "education. " Read extensively here and asked others technique questions, etc. One can learn here, from the experience of others or through the "school of hard knocks!" Look, seeing just "reviewed girls" is no assurance of safety. If one does not learn how to play the game then IMHO one is placing them self at risk. One needs to develop some "Spidey Senses" and that doesn't come from reviewed girls only, it comes from education & experiences.

Minimum for SWers. Read until one has MEMORIZED the 22 Rules. Similar for BP / internet dating. Read those 25 rules & memorize. AND Memorize the Video. Busted: A citizen's guide.

Second, one needs to understand that should one offer compensation for sex acts that that is a misdemeanor crime. Too low level for the feds to get involved. However, traffic girls, pimp or do anything statutory related and then all bets are off. But hey, scoop a girl on MDA and before you pull off, start talking about sex acts for money and IF yer uncle swoops in, all bets are off.

I don't think it is relevant that one is seeing only reviewed girls, BP ones or SWers, LE can swoop in at any time and arrest you. Often they do it as a deterrent and let the lawyers sort it out. So when that happens if one is not "educated" they are going to fall for the "let me help you out" stuff and incriminate them self.

So I'd encourage getting as much education as possible. One usually gets lessons to take up golf, why not an education for this skill or hobby? Not hard to do, just takes some time.

Good luck!

[Member #5957]

This is why I am just way too paranoid to even attempt a SW. I get nervous enough doing BP even when there is a review on here or another site. I always envision the FBI busting through the door or something!

You really make some very good points in all pf your posts. Especially in reference to saying "no".

I need to get better at that.

Thanks!

OK so THREE reports from girls on their personal experiences with the September Sweep. The reason these girls got arrested was STUPID MONGERS! I guess most guys out there do not read this website and have no idea of the 22 Rules for Street Mongering. Also guess most have been too lazy to watch 20-min of Video from the Busted: A Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters. So....these guys F'd the whole thing up for the rest of us and especially for the girls!

Look, in 3 out of 3 cases LE rolled up on a car with a girl and a dude in the car. She was suspected of being a 'working girl.' Now the Police had ZERO direct evidence that anything illegal was going on: they did not personally hear a conversation, did not see any exchange of money, etc. Just some dude picking up a girl and offering her a ride. But they did do what police do: try to get the parties to admit to or confess to a crime. In all three cases the girls just said that they were getting a ride from the guy and did not admit to doing anything wrong. If one is following the rules, they should have made a few turns and be out of the area where the girls was scooped before discussing any legal services the girl might provide, like window washing, back rub or dancing. So to get pulled over on the stroll, having had discussions about illegal things while still in the area, is just plain stupid.

Second, what happened in all three cases was that LE told the guys they could not "help them out" if they did cooperate! WTF! Again, if one is not educated on how to deal respectfully with LE, they are going to fall for this kind of cr at ap! So in these three cases the stupid dude admitted to committing a crime in Delaware, said that he had offered the girl money for sex acts! Dumb, just plain dumb! Why would one ever commit a crime and then give up their 5th Amendment Rights (right to not self incriminate)? So because the dumb dudes admitted to a crime, they got a ticket and the girl got locked up! Now just how was it that LE "help out" the dude??

All of this is unnecessary IF 1) One follows the Rules, 2) One learns how to act during LE encounters and 3) One doesn't do anything illegal in the first place.

Oh and how do I know about all of this? Gee, girls I gave a ride to and who I hired to washed my windows, once I had left the area, they told me first hand all about it.

SMH. I guess there will always be stupid mongers out there, but there is no need for it if one is willing to recognize that there are ways to operate appropriately and legally. AND are willing to take the time to "learn. "

[Cephlapod Love]

Not sure what is going on out there? Rich & dumb mongers? Girls with GPS? BP girls forced to wander into the streets?

Have been running into girls who start outrageously HIGH in prices for washing windows and other legal services. Look, I don't care if a girl was a BP girl, or was on the highest priced window-washing websites- if she is scooped off of the streets; One pays street rates! If she a SW on BP, one pays BP rates! It depends on where you find the girl as to the pricing structure. Girls know this, just seems like guys don't or are too afraid. When I started, it took teh advice of some experienced mongers here to set me straight.

Look, street prices start at around 20 - 30 for one window and go 30-40 for several windows. If you want something special like polishing your bumper or the license plate that hangs from it, that is gunna be extra.

But what is it? Seems like dudes either don't know the price schedule, don't care or are willing to pay too much? How you handle negotiations will show the girl your level of experience and / or vulnerability. Be wishy-washy, hesitant, unsure or waiver and one is vulnerable to all kinds of scams & games! (give me the money, I need to pop in this store & buy ____ & cigs, and I'll be right back!) among other things .

I will say this. NOTHING is available for $5, $10 or $15. You start there and you have insulted the girl and she will probably turn you down. Anyone taking that level of payment is Jonesing and not what you probably want to deal with. There are other dangers inherent with that too.

So I bet a few are thinking I am full of it? It depends on the size of b@lls one is hanging, if they are thinking with the BIG head and a willingness to dump off a girl. (Technique).

Let me give a recent example: Offered a ride to a girl, one that has been recently mentioned. Asked her if she would be willing to wash my windows (all of them). She wanted 80 $! OMFG that is BP prices! I told her. "No! Street prices are 30-40. " Stating that, usually, in my experience, focuses the conversation and gets things rational. (NOT stating that, labels one as a "mark" "sucker" or inexperienced - all labels are ones a girl is more likely to take advantage of or at least try) In this case, She argued a bit, so I pulled the car over and offered her a chance to step back into the weather. She quickly changed her mind and agreed to street prices. But the key is one has to be polite and have conviction. Thinking with the little head at that point and one is going to over pay and get "marked!

So the bottom line is know the prices for the street when playing there and don't be willing to overpay.

How are prices set on the street? The price of drugs! No idea what crack or pills cost, but have been told a baggie of dope runs $5 and a bundle (13 baggies) runs $25 to $35. So depending on the girls "needs," that will drive the prices. Of course there are those trying to get food, pay rent, buy clothes, etc.

Look, if a girl does a nice job on my windows and they are streak free, I often give her a tip or offer to stop in a store and buy cigs, food, drink, etc. But the point is that I never offer to pay more than street prices when she is standing at the local labor pool. Everyone likes being recognized for doing a good job. Just don't start with the tip included in the original price or it isn't recognized as such.

Oh and you will always hear about the one dude that paid her $350, took her to dinner and all he wanted to do was talk for an hour. These are either fantasies, pure prunes or one-offs situations. Don't let these sway you. No honor in over paying!

I'm just sayin'.