Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[NoseJelly]

a lousy incomplete finish. It negates ALL activity leading up to it. I've had providers grab my dick tight right as I cum and removed their mouth and others just pull off the second I start to cum. Frustrated does not begin to describe it.

Nothing more annoying! Just reading about it makes me angry! Providers that pull this shit are in the wrong business.

[Monger01]

One thing to guarantee I will not repeat as a customer and you named it: a lousy incomplete finish. It negates ALL activity leading up to it. I've had providers grab my dick tight right as I cum and removed their mouth and others just pull off the second I start to cum. Frustrated does not begin to describe it.
The rest of your War and Peace sized review is so common anymore it's not even a game changer. All I can add is after seeing her pics there's no way in hell I'd pay her 300 even before I read your review.

Just remember. I am actually trying to paint each provider in the best light possible. If I don't mention much about looks, I probably did not like them. If I leave out something, it is only because I don't want to poison someone's opinion.

Most of the review is very objective, with a critique on the attitude (which I find most important). My reviews are my opinions..

I texted Jane after a trusted brother help to set up an encounter between two vouched people. By vouched, I mean he checked me out enough to know I was real, not LE, and I do contribute to my home boards. By vouched, he meant that to the best of his knowledge, Jane was not connected with LE, he had no knowledge why I might fear being ripped off or physically hurt during any activity with her. She also was told that I needed a provider that would provide CIM.We made arrangements for a 6 PM meet up at her place. I called at 5:15 when I was on my way from Kalamazoo. Jane told me she was 30 minutes north of Grand Rapids. I told her then I would not be there probably until about 6:30. Jane then gave me a drug store name on 28th Street, an to call when I get there, and she will then direct me in. Since I had been vouched, I thought, "this bullshit, again?" Why, oh why must providers be unwilling to give an address to someone they know is not LE? For so many reasons, so many, I have had providers go radio silent on me. For those that I did contact and find out, reasons were usually: phone died, battery died, a friend died, I fell asleep, I had to go to the hospital, my kid had to go to the hospital, my roommate had to go to the hospital, I overslept. ad nauseam.

As an aside, isn't it amazing how many different, bad things always seem to happen to providers to interrupt your encounters? More later and its relevance.

I was driving up 131, put in the drug store name and GPS said I would be there at 6:15 PM. Texted Jane that I would be at the drugstore at 6:20 PM. I would call at 6:15 PM. I did. Radio silence. I had just driven over an hour, and silence! This is unacceptable! There is no good excuse for radio silence. It must be a disease that all providers seem very susceptible to fall victim to.

I texted and called and texted and called (silence) until 6:40. I turned to go (King's Charity Poker Room had a no-limit holdem tournament with a cut-off time for registration at 7 PM). Five minutes later, cruising down 131, I receive a text from a different number to call Jane at that number. I called, didn't listen to Jane's excuse (I have already heard them all), my dick wins all arguments, so I turned around to head back.

[Dave Usa]

I feel like a brain worm is trying escape through my forehead.

[Kenwood Jack]

Just remember. I am actually trying to paint each provider in the best light possible. If I don't mention much about looks, I probably did not like them. If I leave out something, it is only because I don't want to poison someone's opinion.

Most of the review is very objective, with a critique on the attitude (which I find most important). My reviews are my opinions..

I texted Jane after a trusted brother help to set up an encounter between two vouched people. By vouched, I mean he checked me out enough to know I was real, not LE, and I do contribute to my home boards. By vouched, he meant that to the best of his knowledge, Jane was not connected with LE, he had no knowledge why I might fear being ripped off or physically hurt during any activity with her. She also was told that I needed a provider that would provide CIM.We made arrangements for a 6 PM meet up at her place. I called at 5:15 when I was on my way from Kalamazoo. Jane told me she was 30 minutes north of Grand Rapids. I told her then I would not be there probably until about 6:30. Jane then gave me a drug store name on 28th Street, an to call when I get there, and she will then direct me in. Since I had been vouched, I thought, "this bullshit, again?" Why, oh why must providers be unwilling to give an address to someone they know is not LE? For so many reasons, so many, I have had providers go radio silent on me. For those that I did contact and find out, reasons were usually: phone died, battery died, a friend died, I fell asleep, I had to go to the hospital, my kid had to go to the hospital, my roommate had to go to the hospital, I overslept. ad nauseam.

As an aside, isn't it amazing how many different, bad things always seem to happen to providers to interrupt your encounters? More later and its relevance.

I was driving up 131, put in the drug store name and GPS said I would be there at 6:15 PM. Texted Jane that I would be at the drugstore at 6:20 PM. I would call at 6:15 PM. I did. Radio silence. I had just driven over an hour, and silence! This is unacceptable! There is no good excuse for radio silence. It must be a disease that all providers seem very susceptible to fall victim to.

I texted and called and texted and called (silence) until 6:40. I turned to go (King's Charity Poker Room had a no-limit holdem tournament with a cut-off time for registration at 7 PM). Five minutes later, cruising down 131, I receive a text from a different number to call Jane at that number. I called, didn't listen to Jane's excuse (I have already heard them all), my dick wins all arguments, so I turned around to head back.

I am just generally pissed. I am not in a hurry, I have lost only 40 minutes of time. But I still could not help but being pissed. I, however, remain as courteous as ever!

THE INCALL
HER NAME: Lady Jane.
28th street exit off US 131.
[URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds[/URL
Phone # xxx-298-5106 PM Kenwood Jack for her Grand Rapids area code.
Did she look like her pictures? The pictures are her.
Not a terrible body. (Read opening statement).
REFERENCES NOT NEEDED.

Incall was in a one-room hovel (my perception).

When I do the math -
Safety worries. 9 out of a possible 10 (that is not good) . Her residence just was creepy. (I have lived in worse, but I did not entertain). The math (either she's getting ready to buy a $150,000 house with cash, which I don't believe, because. What the hell is she doing with all of that gross? . 3 guys per day at only $100 each is a take home pay of more than $105,000 . Take home. She has all of her assets in that little room. That seems real scary. Do the math!
The math says she must be hanging with the wrong crowd.

Did I "do it" on the top cover (the same place the last 4 guys came)? Sure did! Why do most providers have sheets that don't show stains easily! (That was rhetorical!).
Smoking smell: A smoking smell permeated the room.
She gave me 6 reasons why her placed smelled but refused to accept any responsibility.

Attitude: She was all attitude.
Skill: Please look up on any porn site: ruined orgasm. When the guy starts coming, they quit, get up, and walk away. I felt just like that!! She stayed for all of four seconds. Don't you just love it when a provider sucks and sucks until you just have to stop her a full minute later? (Rhetorical!).
For the time she was sucking me, it was the very best I've had in a long while. To stop when she did was just unconscionable.

Performance: U-N-F-I-N-I-S-H-E-D.

I know how many of you mongers write of a an ATF, "she really likes giving blowjobs, and if I didn't make her cum three times ... she's the best actress ever". You should only know the actual truth. *.

Spidey sense-o-meter score ... 9 out of a possible 10
Physical threats or actual 'cash and dash' situations or any theft or physical confrontation or any interaction with LE is to be avoided by me at most any cost.
A spidey sense-o-meter score of 0 would mean I had no fears of any danger (physical, mental, emotional). A spidey-sense-o-meter only registers if nothing actually bad happens. It is a gauge of fear. When something bad does happen, I would hope that all you mongers do report it. The spidey sense-o-meter is for when something bad did not happen, but I was apprehensive that something might. Because of all the math. I would be scared to go back. Not because of Jane, but because of the particular and general environs.

DO THE MATH
She rents one room out of 6 or 7 in a modest house with many other housemates. She has been there 2 weeks.
She advertises $200 hour. With no car and a modest rent and no car, isn't it strange that the 'landlord' would have to come over to collect rent (she said she was behind) within 15 minutes of me stepping in the door. My spidey-sense was tingling (a lot). I don't know about this one, but many providers that I know back in Cincinnati call their drug connection to visit right after my appointment to get their fix. Or sometimes earlier.
DO THE MATH

Total satisfaction level. Poor.
Why do I seem to get what I want and yet I always seem to feel that something is missing. Today, her lips were missing on my dick until after I had finished cumming!

Menu interview (abridged).
Q. What about BBFS? Should I just say no BBFS?
A. No, it's more of a ymmv (letters corrected because she didn't know exactly the right ones) thing, if I really like them, and they're really clean, and they pay me enough, then sure.

Q. What about cim?
A. I don't really want to advertise that!

Q. So I should put no to CIM??
A. No, it's more of a ymmv thing, if I really like them, and they're really clean, and they pay me enough, then sure.

Well, maybe she didn't really like me so much, cause I was super freshly showered clean, and gave her $300, cause all I got was CI and about half of the M. She quit about 3 seconds after I started coming. Don't you hate that when the provider considers her job over when you start to come, when the earliest it should ever be over is two minutes after you've finished coming!

Q. What about water sports.
A. I'll pee in a cup for them to drink or I'll pee on them. Extra $100.

Q. How about a prostate massage?
A. It's more of ... (see BBFS answer)

Q. What about Greek?
A. It's more of ...

Q. What about rimming?
A. To me, fine! From me, no way!

I guess this means.
To all Christians, if you don't get all your prayers answered, it's more of a ymmv thing.
Pray harder! Put more in the donation envelope!

A rookie monger should now understand her menu.
A seasoned monger already knows this is the basic menu of most providers.
A sage provider, however, will convey a very personalized, individualized menu for each encounter!

She was not a kisser to me.
Today's experience: BBBBCISTOP! WE had bargained for BBBJCIM???
CIM means come in mouth!

Her finishing move today? Not finishing.
Cost: $300.
Overall value: I overpaid.
Would you repeat or recommend? I would never repeat because of the Spidey score.
I would never recommend because she does not finish the job. In baseball, if someone throws you the ball, and you juggle it, and it falls out, that is not a catch. Half catching is half-ass. I asked for BBBJCIM, not BBBJCI then stop!

When I got there, she asked to see the money and I left it on the dresser. I actually had no problem with that.

Two interruptions occurred during the deed. One, the landlord, as already mentioned; and two, her roommate knocked on the door to get something at the store for her. She did apologize, but took it in stride as if it happens all the time. She seemed just way too comfortable with all of the extra and / or out-of-the-ordinary happenings during the encounter. She did turn her phone down during the encounter! Yay!

Summary: Great head, horrible ending, drama, drama, drama!

I have moved the review to here because it is just too much drama! Sorry brothers! I just had to vent!

[Charlie441]

Agreed that it has nothing to do with law enforcement. But I disagree that it is all just "oohs and ahhs" for the sake of the story, and that it can be explained by randomness. I would think that mathematically it would be nearly impossible to link a provider and client, especially given that most providers live in large cities with huge populations. And Facebook doesn't leave anything up to chance. I agree that it may be the same IP address but if so then why would Facebook not simply say so and avoid the negative publicity? Also, many providers are savvy enough to use throwaways for work just like we do, to avoid LE, for sure. But it would therefore also not link her with her regular IP address.

It's not random. My point was that it wasn't. FB condenses a broad social spectrum, notably in a particular locale, closer. You live a normal life as an avid Facebook person with kids and old friends but keeping being a stripper or escort discreet -- good luck. For instance, say you are one doing this in southern Illinois or Indiana where there's not many people. No sh! T you get guesses coming up that you may know so-and-so from the "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon" type concept. Even in a bigger place, you can run into that too over time. Not a shocker. It actually doesn't require the craziest technology to do so.

Many websites feed off stuff that you view in your browser, to bring up appropriate ads and so forth. That's just one example. FB is the Opposite of just having your own little world that you choose -- it tries to Extend it, is my point. And it doesn't take magic to Potentially make suggestions that you'd think it was psychic about, at first glance. But when you think about it, it's not all that exciting. So a gal who's living a normal life out there but wants to be a stripper or escort completely under the radar? Don't use FB, or use it without your pictures in it at least.

[MetroRider]

The same way you and your Turd Tickling BF Piemaster do.

How many times do I have to say it? Piemaster and I were having a devils 3 way with your mother, she blew both of us at the same time. This is totally different then you and your BF blowing each other.

[NoseJelly]

How did you blow your boyfriend and type this at the same time?

The same way you and your Turd Tickling BF Piemaster do.

[DuckBilled]

Uhhh, dude. That has NOTHING to do with LE. It's about an Escort concerns of them having friend suggestions with current / past clients popping up. Obviously if you have a separate account for your service from the same IP -- duh. Second, those suggestions pop up when they run into You. They may go to strip club sites, click on some cute girls, scan their friends -- oh, there's "Bambi" -- oh, her name's Rachel Smith. Yeah, that's her.

The article's just jazzing up "ooohs and ahhhs". There's nothing really secret or mysterious. It's not pulling stuff out of thin air. That's Her fault. And mere friend suggestions. Sheesh. When I used to use it, I'd get some of people I had no mutual friends with and never heard of. Maybe a friend of a friend of a friend or whatever. It shoots and misses a lot. Yeah, in your town, if you're socially active in real life And on FB -- YEP, a client from your town is bound to pop up as one.

Note to escort: Don't get into FB much or at all. But in the end -- it has nothing to do with LE.

Agreed that it has nothing to do with law enforcement. But I disagree that it is all just "oohs and ahhs" for the sake of the story, and that it can be explained by randomness. I would think that mathematically it would be nearly impossible to link a provider and client, especially given that most providers live in large cities with huge populations. And Facebook doesn't leave anything up to chance. I agree that it may be the same IP address but if so then why would Facebook not simply say so and avoid the negative publicity? Also, many providers are savvy enough to use throwaways for work just like we do, to avoid LE, for sure. But it would therefore also not link her with her regular IP address.

[Kenwood Jack]

Benz1 - a true samaritan.

Thank you, my fellow brother, for your herculean effort in helping out.

Kenwood Jack

I hope to make the best of it.
We are all on the same team.

[MetroRider]

Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".

Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"

How did you blow your boyfriend and type this at the same time?

[Charlie441]

Not a theory:

https://gizmodo.com/how-facebook-out...ers-1818861596

Uhhh, dude. That has NOTHING to do with LE. It's about an Escort concerns of them having friend suggestions with current / past clients popping up. Obviously if you have a separate account for your service from the same IP -- duh. Second, those suggestions pop up when they run into You. They may go to strip club sites, click on some cute girls, scan their friends -- oh, there's "Bambi" -- oh, her name's Rachel Smith. Yeah, that's her.

The article's just jazzing up "ooohs and ahhhs". There's nothing really secret or mysterious. It's not pulling stuff out of thin air. That's Her fault. And mere friend suggestions. Sheesh. When I used to use it, I'd get some of people I had no mutual friends with and never heard of. Maybe a friend of a friend of a friend or whatever. It shoots and misses a lot. Yeah, in your town, if you're socially active in real life And on FB -- YEP, a client from your town is bound to pop up as one.

Note to escort: Don't get into FB much or at all. But in the end -- it has nothing to do with LE.

[Benz1]

Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".

Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"

Some idiots don't know how to act, write or where to post when visiting a new sight. This one is an East Side knuckle dragging monger too. He has at least 4 postings deleted by admin for being largely argumentative.

Fools and idiots need to know their place when they come to our space.

I'm thinking the other east side knuckle dragging monger called in some useless recruits.

[PocketBuddy]

Just wondering if anyone uses or has recommendations for apps for a second phone number on a phone? I was using Sideline until they just went subscription. Just curious what guys are using.

I use textfree and textnow. Both seem to be alright for me.

[NoseJelly]

Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".

Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"

[Piemaster]

I totally agree with Girls1.

Piemaster has an interesting theory but I don't believe LE has the time and resources to follow and trap us for soliciting sex. LE does put alot of resources into finding drug dealers and trapping them. They could also get a good well known provider to set up drug dealers like Natalie / Bell in Kazoo. Bell was a member of this forum that posted LE's offer right on the Kalamazoo forum. They wanted her to help bust drug dealers. She informed us that she would not take their deal of eliminating charges in exchange for setting people up.
Drugs and underage girls is were LE is focused, our members are at risk everytime we enter a room where drugs or under age girls are being or sold.

If we are going to stay out of the dragnet or snare of LE, we all need to be more observant of our surroundings and report them on USASEXGUIDE for all our members benifit.

Our safety is the reason this forum exsits.

Not a theory:

https://gizmodo.com/how-facebook-out...ers-1818861596