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[Jaritsuh2]

According to HART itself, the rail tax surcharge will have sucked a total of $4,800,000,000 out of the pockets of residents and tourists by 2027. (Because HART obviously isn't neutral, the real amount may be much more.) What a wonderful way to be "strengthening the local economy and tourist industry," lol.


Yup, at least in Honolulu.

Next time in Vegas look at the Las Vegas Monorail, this is what we have to look forward to, their rail was supposed to go from the airport to the las vegas hotels. Never happen what sounds like our rail? It is really incredible to me that this was forced down our throats by these politicians. It really is but what we have look forward too in the future, a Bankruptcy like the las vegas system when it constantly broke down for a stretch cause no parts and qualified techs to run the system and not enough ridership to keep it running, oh well we can't learn from others mistake I guess.

[Redneck 1]

It's about more than just easing traffic, it's also about strengthing the local economy and tourist industry.

According to HART itself, the rail tax surcharge will have sucked a total of $4,800,000,000 out of the pockets of residents and tourists by 2027. (Because HART obviously isn't neutral, the real amount may be much more.) What a wonderful way to be "strengthening the local economy and tourist industry," lol.

Biggest Ripoff Ever Devised

Yup, at least in Honolulu.

[DarthTyranus]

Last census showed over 900,000 people on this game island, and that's just people who participated. Pretty sure it's safe to assume there is over a million people on this island.

2010 census had the population on Oahu as 953,207. You are correct there. That's still not enough to support a rail system (less than half of population will use it on any regular basis).

We agree to disagree. We will see what happens in 20 years. I'm less optimistic than you.

[Blade82]

Not all of us agree, but the train is the stupidest means of transportation ever devised by hawaii politicians. Rail has nothing to do with transportation, and everything to do with construction jobs. What is TOD? It's high density apartments with waived minimum parking requirements for these highrises. Those who chose to live in these "low cost homes" (probably those from the west side and millennials) will find these places unbearably small. Plus no place for your car so take a bus or wait for that mythical train to be built.

We only have 800,000 people living on this island.

Last census showed over 900,000 people on this game island, and that's just people who participated. Pretty sure it's safe to assume there is over a million people on this island.

[Blade82]

Didn't the study say that the rail would remove 2 percent of the traffic off of the freeway. Does that not mean only 2 out of 100 cars would be off the already congested freeway. 2 out of 100 is really nothing at all considering by the time they finish the rail there will be 2 percent more vehicles on the highway anyway. I think its visual pollution too why did they have to elevate the whole thing. This is Hawaii and Island life. Thats why Hawaii gets fucked up we get all these mainland ideas and think its all better or mainlanders trying to influence how they want things to be here. What do we get? Another fucking mainland city.

It's about more than just easing traffic, it's also about strengthing the local economy and tourist industry. Besides Ala Moana and Waikiki, what other shopping centers are getting fairly steady business? Waikele yes, but there is a direct transportation for the tourist there. Pearlridge, has been suffering for a while now because the local community can't support themselves. It's not just malls either but also standalone shops. Why else do you think not much hobby shops are outside of Honolulu. So if the local community can't support businesses then have to look towards tourism to help out. But because there isn't a decent means of transportation for them, not many will go to these areas.

[Blade82]

Yes, Fasi proposed rail. Mayor's propose, council dispose. During his time rail got shot down by 1 vote (Rene Mancho who later went to jail). At that time, federal contribution was going to be 80% of the cost. Had Rene voted yes, we wouldn't be talking about Kapolei to Ala Moana today. We would be ribbon cutting an additional line from Hawaii Kai.

Why elevated? Simple. At grade causes vehicle delays at all intersections plus other cities have shown a higher rate of collisions with at grade systems.

Ease traffic congestion? Doubt it as pointed out that increased traffic will offset any gains. Oahu needs mass transit? We already have it. It's called The Bus.

SS.

The bus is part of the reason of our congestion. There are countless amounts of badly planned bus stops on this island that interferes with traffic flow.

[DarthTyranus]

Yes, Fasi proposed rail. Mayor's propose, council dispose. During his time rail got shot down by 1 vote (Rene Mancho who later went to jail). At that time, federal contribution was going to be 80% of the cost. Had Rene voted yes, we wouldn't be talking about Kapolei to Ala Moana today. We would be ribbon cutting an additional line from Hawaii Kai.

Why elevated? Simple. At grade causes vehicle delays at all intersections plus other cities have shown a higher rate of collisions with at grade systems.

Ease traffic congestion? Doubt it as pointed out that increased traffic will offset any gains. Oahu needs mass transit? We already have it. It's called The Bus.

So why build rail? So developers can make bank on all the condos they're going to build around the rail stations. You think this is about rail? Nope. This is about Transit Oriented Development. This project is going to burn through $10 billion (double the original) and a bunch of folks are just going to get richer. Think you're going to stop it? Better go to an AMP and F your brains out so you won't be too upset. The push needs to be "Hey Mr. Developer, you want us to build a station next to your property? Well, pay for it or we're going to move a couple of blocks down. " Get the all the developers to kick in and make them pay for some of this stoopit train.

SS.

Not all of us agree, but the train is the stupidest means of transportation ever devised by hawaii politicians. Rail has nothing to do with transportation, and everything to do with construction jobs. What is TOD? It's high density apartments with waived minimum parking requirements for these highrises. Those who chose to live in these "low cost homes" (probably those from the west side and millennials) will find these places unbearably small. Plus no place for your car so take a bus or wait for that mythical train to be built.

We only have 800,000 people living on this island. Municipalities that can sustain rail like Tokyo, NYC, DC, or the Bay Area have millions of people who use it. The train will bankrupt our State and won't lead to the TOD that city planners envision.

We should move off of this topic. We agree to disagree. This is a sex forum after all. We'll see in 20 years if I can still afford to live in Hawaii.

[Shipshape]

The process didn't start with Fasi, he just proposed for it. But because he pissed off the wrong people in his career, it didn't get much consideration. In reality that's when the project should have started though. Cost would have been lower and would have been much simpler to plan out because development wasn't as high. All morons got to realize Oahu is overdue with a mass transit system..

Yes, Fasi proposed rail. Mayor's propose, council dispose. During his time rail got shot down by 1 vote (Rene Mancho who later went to jail). At that time, federal contribution was going to be 80% of the cost. Had Rene voted yes, we wouldn't be talking about Kapolei to Ala Moana today. We would be ribbon cutting an additional line from Hawaii Kai.

Why elevated? Simple. At grade causes vehicle delays at all intersections plus other cities have shown a higher rate of collisions with at grade systems.

Ease traffic congestion? Doubt it as pointed out that increased traffic will offset any gains. Oahu needs mass transit? We already have it. It's called The Bus.

So why build rail? So developers can make bank on all the condos they're going to build around the rail stations. You think this is about rail? Nope. This is about Transit Oriented Development. This project is going to burn through $10 billion (double the original) and a bunch of folks are just going to get richer. Think you're going to stop it? Better go to an AMP and F your brains out so you won't be too upset. The push needs to be "Hey Mr. Developer, you want us to build a station next to your property? Well, pay for it or we're going to move a couple of blocks down. " Get the all the developers to kick in and make them pay for some of this stoopit train.

SS.

[BotoMoco]

Didn't the study say that the rail would remove 2 percent of the traffic off of the freeway. Does that not mean only 2 out of 100 cars would be off the already congested freeway. 2 out of 100 is really nothing at all considering by the time they finish the rail there will be 2 percent more vehicles on the highway anyway. I think its visual pollution too why did they have to elevate the whole thing. This is Hawaii and Island life. Thats why Hawaii gets fucked up we get all these mainland ideas and think its all better or mainlanders trying to influence how they want things to be here. What do we get? Another fucking mainland city.

[Blade82]

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/1...-rail-champion

The process didn't start with Fasi, he just proposed for it. But because he pissed off the wrong people in his career, it didn't get much consideration. In reality that's when the project should have started though. Cost would have been lower and would have been much simpler to plan out because development wasn't as high. All morons got to realize Oahu is overdue with a mass transit system. There's many difficulties with it now, but had they started doing it 10 years from now it would be much worse. Hopefully if Maui plans on huge development, they won't procrastinate it like Oahu. I know the city already purchased areas specifically in case they do so which is smart. If I have to guess, many of the guys on here who are against it don't deal with west side traffic much.

[BeaverLiquor]

I agree CK. I put the rail on muliufi too! (Yup! That's his name!) From my understanding "muli" means ass in samoan.

He railroaded it through thinking that was going to be his legacy. Now he's trying to distance himself from it.

And we're stuck on the hook for at least 8 billion in over run.

I'm like you too. He has a radio show on 107.9. I refuse to listen to it. I even change station if the commercial for his show comes on.

Regardless of who first started the rail madness, was MUFI who successfully railroaded the bloody choo-choo train up our collective asses. I cannot even read his page in Midweek because I hold so much distain and resentment for that scumbag.

[Cosmic Kid]

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/1...-rail-champion

Regardless of who first started the rail madness, was MUFI who successfully railroaded the bloody choo-choo train up our collective asses. I cannot even read his page in Midweek because I hold so much distain and resentment for that scumbag.

[Cosmic Kid]

No kidding. Jzjz posted BP ad on Dt Angie a white girlfriend in the 808. Didn't know which thread to postit in, Downtown, Streetwalker, Backpage, or White Girls in the 808.

The Downtown and Streetwalker threads are pretty much the same thing right?

I recently brought up this same question about the Downtown and Streetwalker threads, suggesting they be combined, but thus far no action.

[First Try]

I voted for Djou in 2016 and Cayetano in 2012.

The rail is Mufi's f_ucking fault!

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/1...-rail-champion

[ItsNotButter]

You got that right and the grand children will still be paying for this folly.

Why do you think Mufi is laying low?