Rants, Raves and Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theories

[DMichaels69]

Upscale my tight white A $$! That's a good one.

Random thought / observation:

These providers love throwing around the word upscale. Alot of times there's nothing upscale about what they're describing. They only use it to scale up the price. Being on BP and reading through countless ads has made me hate this word. It's overused like discreet or clean. End rant.

[CoolPatrick]

Random thought / observation:

These providers love throwing around the word upscale. Alot of times there's nothing upscale about what they're describing. They only use it to scale up the price. Being on BP and reading through countless ads has made me hate this word. It's overused like discreet or clean. End rant.

I read some savvy independent escorts (read: doing trick for a while, and definitely know her way around) may still post on BP while they mostly advertise on TER and even has P411 profile. Their charges are never really at the typical BP price range. Guess what, their ads never mentioned upscale or brag about how classy they are. Just simple lines to maximize exposure. These girls are still YMMV but at least the ones I know of or have met can provide service worthy of the price and they all host at a decent chain hotels.

Like any business, you don't have to say good things about your service or product, just BE or DO, and word of mouth will come around.

From the other side, I feel the same way about a few monger buzz words, like UTR (or variations like that). On one hand, we always know there are some out there we cannot find them easily (or at all). Most times, the talk is just talk and there is nothing on radar or being hidden to begin with or there is no way to confirm.

On the other hand, who can truly stay under radar and hidden when she needs business. I mean, regulars come and go. At some point she has to find new cash cows and digital traces are hardly hidden. Furthermore, if a provider can hold on to a couple clients for years (or vice versa), they are more like in a open relationship or in a sugar daddy-baby relationship anyway. Under this context, it's understandable not to share. Take Bob for example, who will call L an UTR provider and hope to tap her?

[Boob Hope]

I've seen $60 providers using this word, too. It's just a marketing term, and the ladies are using it to their benefit in a number of ways, either to: try and convince certain clientele to stay away, make themselves sound classy, and / or, in some instances, jack up the price. It annoyed me at first, but now I just totally ignore the word. In fact, I ignore most of the words in BP ads. My eyes go to the pics first, then the rates (if available), and then the phone number.

Random thought / observation:

These providers love throwing around the word upscale. Alot of times there's nothing upscale about what they're describing. They only use it to scale up the price. Being on BP and reading through countless ads has made me hate this word. It's overused like discreet or clean. End rant.

[WhiteRookDown]

You are trying to make absolutes out of a profession that is as diverse as they come. Maybe my experiences in the last three years have been different than most. I don't view massage therapists as one big monolithic money hungry tit flashing mass of deception. There are so many unique situations that it makes discussion of it almost pointless. Sure we can compare one known HE providing AMP to another, even to LMPs and some EMPs. But to think that you can establish some set of rules that governs every female that has ever received her license is a bit naive. Also, we are not all the same either. We represent a wide range of ages, physiques, and personalities. Someone who is fit and in their 30's is likely to have a much better overall experience than someone in their 50's who isn't. To use money as the common denominator for the massage world is reductionistic and I think a bit naive. I think it's akin to basically labeling all women as ****** who are simply after your wallet. "You are paying for it one way or another. " Sure that might be a viewpoint that "protects" you but it also prevents you from having some great experiences in life.

If they stroke your cock for money, yeah, they are ******, and saying that I'm labeling all women as ****** is a straw man argument. These women make the decision to do legit massage and get the $10-20 tip, or work your meat and get $40 and up. So we can indulge in this touchy-feely psychobabble about uniqueness and reductionistic attitudes, or we can see and experience and accept reality. Another reality is that the appearance quality of the women is falling rapidly, as is the quality of the services, and they are trying valiantly (to the point of demanding) to raise the prices we pay. Well, it would seem simple to me that a MT trying to get more and more cash out of us for various sex acts is indeed a *****, and very different than a MT who does her hour of work, smiles, and says "thank you" for her legit tip. Also, while I'm sure there can be relationships between a MT and a client, I find the likelihood to be very, very low. Since about 90 percent of the women can't speak enough English to get past hello, I really don't see how any relationship is possible. Talking to a telephone using a translating app is one of the more absurd things I've heard of, and since there are around 160 million women in the US who you can actually communicate with, I side with those who say it's delusional to think they want to play house with you and yank your meat for free. The bulge in your pants that they really want is your wallet, not your cock. Remember the man who offered his Saturday night date $500 for a BJ, which offer she happily accepted. But he changed his mind and said he'd give her $50. She said, "what kind of woman do you think I am? He replied, "we've already established what kind of woman you are. We're just settling on a price".

[Bill R]

You are trying to make absolutes out of a profession that is as diverse as they come. Maybe my experiences in the last three years have been different than most. I don't view massage therapists as one big monolithic money hungry tit flashing mass of deception. There are so many unique situations that it makes discussion of it almost pointless. Sure we can compare one known HE providing AMP to another, even to LMPs and some EMPs. But to think that you can establish some set of rules that governs every female that has ever received her license is a bit naive. Also, we are not all the same either. We represent a wide range of ages, physiques, and personalities. Someone who is fit and in their 30's is likely to have a much better overall experience than someone in their 50's who isn't. To use money as the common denominator for the massage world is reductionistic and I think a bit naive. I think it's akin to basically labeling all women as ****** who are simply after your wallet. "You are paying for it one way or another. " Sure that might be a viewpoint that "protects" you but it also prevents you from having some great experiences in life.

I completely agree. I've been in this hobby for more than 20 years. I can tell you that yes you can become friends with some of these ladies. Yes, some if not most are all about the money. But they are all human and different people click with each other. I've become close to a few of the ladies who I clicked with. I've had them come to my house and cook for me, take care of me when I was sick, even help me when I had two hip replacements. And no money was involved at all. Someone asked a few months ago, if you think it isn't about the money, try not paying them. Well, I have had several relationships where it evolved to the point no money was involved. That said, there are challenges around communication due to different culture and language.

[John HandCock]

K not dure what you guys are calling a massage therapist. First there are sex workers who provide a massage of different degrees and then xtras for whatever is worked out between you. MOst of these are free lance or work for a mp of some sort usually close to strip joints or a strip mall location possibly out of the city limits.

The second true MT has spent $10 gs or more on a state certified school that last close to a year or more. NOw after graduating from the school they have to pass a state certified test before they can be licensed or by law charge for a massage. They also carry insurance in case of injuries.

So if in doubt ask to see the state certification but I doubt that means much to you guys. I also doubt that any of the girls at any of the MPs can produce a state license. THere is always the exception. Can one turn a certified mt, always the exception but it won't happen in a legit business. They may fly solo after hours type gig but won't happen in the business setting. IF caught there goes their certification and probably puts them in the mps you guys frequent. Plus it would be an embarrassing situation, same as if you got caught in a prostitution sting.

[Ztar7]

Haha Bob you'd be happy to know the test is now from a pool of 1000 questions. I made the mistake of agreeing to translate it BUT she did pass. So I guess it was time we'll spent. Tricky part is, finding which ones from the pool they've chosen for that 90 day interval.

I think it is not as black and white as that. So you both are correct. A legit massage therapist is not a "provider" and is not selling sex for money. Just like you might meet a woman at church, or in a health club, or wherever. If you develop a relationship, it may evolve into something serious and physical. My relationship with "L", for example, is not a case or "turning" somebody to the "dark side". It's a regular mutual relationship and she remains a legit massage therapist who happens to be Chinese.

I imagine there are people who fall into the "maybe" category. Those people only do something with someone they want to be with. So clearly in those cases there is attraction on both sides, and I'm sure those are more satisfying (for both the man and the woman). I suppose there is enhanced remuneration as well.

I've read the 600 question test to get the massage license. Actually translated it into Chinese. So about 25 questions, maybe more, are about avoiding a relationship with a client. The entire business infrastructure (Euro and Asian) is built around that separation. Needless to say the owners strongly discourage personal relationships. The legit owners don't want something physical to develop, and the illegitimate owners, want to retain control over the girls. It's the only thing both types of MPs actually agree on.

Bob.

[DMichaels69]

If they do it for you they do it for all who fork over the cash. Its that simple and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional and going to a MP to find a girl friend is just as delusional.

IMHO, based upon years of experience, it's all about money, fear to get in trouble, and morals. If a mt doesn't provide extras, than it's because of the one of the above. And there is no such thing as a friendly he obtained from the one who doesn't do it, but did it as an exception because she likes this particular client.

[Walker333]

You are trying to make absolutes out of a profession that is as diverse as they come. Maybe my experiences in the last three years have been different than most. I don't view massage therapists as one big monolithic money hungry tit flashing mass of deception. There are so many unique situations that it makes discussion of it almost pointless. Sure we can compare one known HE providing AMP to another, even to LMPs and some EMPs. But to think that you can establish some set of rules that governs every female that has ever received her license is a bit naive. Also, we are not all the same either. We represent a wide range of ages, physiques, and personalities. Someone who is fit and in their 30's is likely to have a much better overall experience than someone in their 50's who isn't. To use money as the common denominator for the massage world is reductionistic and I think a bit naive. I think it's akin to basically labeling all women as ****** who are simply after your wallet. "You are paying for it one way or another. " Sure that might be a viewpoint that "protects" you but it also prevents you from having some great experiences in life.

IMHO, based upon years of experience, it's all about money, fear to get in trouble, and morals. If a mt doesn't provide extras, than it's because of the one of the above. And there is no such thing as a friendly he obtained from the one who doesn't do it, but did it as an exception because she likes this particular client.

[ApplePiePussy]

My first MP experience was with a Latina. She told me to always remember its about the money. I was having a conversation with a Chinese MT. She went to some school so she could get the license some of them get. She said the teacher told them not to cross the line with men and remember they are clients, not friends. I told her I thought she could be friends with clients if she wanted to. She told me no, I listen to what the teacher told me. A lot of mongers would never admit they got played and will always justify their actions to satisfy their own ego's. So I've come to find out my view is very realistic and mature.

You are trying to make absolutes out of a profession that is as diverse as they come. Maybe my experiences in the last three years have been different than most. I don't view massage therapists as one big monolithic money hungry tit flashing mass of deception. There are so many unique situations that it makes discussion of it almost pointless. Sure we can compare one known HE providing AMP to another, even to LMPs and some EMPs. But to think that you can establish some set of rules that governs every female that has ever received her license is a bit naive. Also, we are not all the same either. We represent a wide range of ages, physiques, and personalities. Someone who is fit and in their 30's is likely to have a much better overall experience than someone in their 50's who isn't. To use money as the common denominator for the massage world is reductionistic and I think a bit naive. I think it's akin to basically labeling all women as ****** who are simply after your wallet. "You are paying for it one way or another. " Sure that might be a viewpoint that "protects" you but it also prevents you from having some great experiences in life.

[Bob521]

I think it is not as black and white as that. So you both are correct. A legit massage therapist is not a "provider" and is not selling sex for money. Just like you might meet a woman at church, or in a health club, or wherever. If you develop a relationship, it may evolve into something serious and physical. My relationship with "L", for example, is not a case or "turning" somebody to the "dark side". It's a regular mutual relationship and she remains a legit massage therapist who happens to be Chinese.

I imagine there are people who fall into the "maybe" category. Those people only do something with someone they want to be with. So clearly in those cases there is attraction on both sides, and I'm sure those are more satisfying (for both the man and the woman). I suppose there is enhanced remuneration as well.

I've read the 600 question test to get the massage license. Actually translated it into Chinese. So about 25 questions, maybe more, are about avoiding a relationship with a client. The entire business infrastructure (Euro and Asian) is built around that separation. Needless to say the owners strongly discourage personal relationships. The legit owners don't want something physical to develop, and the illegitimate owners, want to retain control over the girls. It's the only thing both types of MPs actually agree on.

Bob.

My first MP experience was with a Latina. She told me to always remember its about the money. I was having a conversation with a Chinese MT. She went to some school so she could get the license some of them get. She said the teacher told them not to cross the line with men and remember they are clients, not friends. I told her I thought she could be friends with clients if she wanted to. She told me no, I listen to what the teacher told me. A lot of mongers would never admit they got played and will always justify their actions to satisfy their own ego's. So I've come to find out my view is very realistic and mature.

[DMichaels69]

My first MP experience was with a Latina. She told me to always remember its about the money. I was having a conversation with a Chinese MT. She went to some school so she could get the license some of them get. She said the teacher told them not to cross the line with men and remember they are clients, not friends. I told her I thought she could be friends with clients if she wanted to. She told me no, I listen to what the teacher told me. A lot of mongers would never admit they got played and will always justify their actions to satisfy their own ego's. So I've come to find out my view is very realistic and mature.

That's such a cynical view of things. These aren't robots performing an oil change. These are women with emotions and needs. I saw two legit therapists this week. Both are attractive, one in her 20's, the other in her 40's. I hit it off really well with both of them. If you need to qualify that in terms of whether or not they pulled my dick then that's fine. I understand the nature of the forum. I simply couldn't care less. The massages were top notch and I really enjoyed their company. If something happens down the road with one of them, great. If not, well that's fine too. Not everything needs to be so transactional.

[Riina]

Until you have turned one, you can't know how satisfying it is. By then, you usually have more than a business relationship with them, they are also usually your friend to a point. Then when you consummate the act it is extra intimate and special. I so much prefer the time and cash investment. The only harm of never consummating it is you've gotten lots of good massages from someone you were interested in anyway. Not a bad thing.

Chi.

I hear ya, but you have to be careful not to fall into that money trap. As a hobbyist, I buy what is available to me and not falsely perceived expectations. It's easy for mongers to cross the line into delusional when their big egos and money starts telling them that they can influence a providers future services.

[Ron M]

There was some talk about a lady up north who was legit. The report said after a very long time (sounded like more than a year) and over tipping extras were to be had. Another monger indicated he went many times, less than a year, over tipped and nothing happened. I would hazard to guess the only satisfaction in these situations are from the provider having rolled the monger for all the cash.

This is why I see massage therapists that play on the first visit.

[Ron M]

Until you have turned one, you can't know how satisfying it is. By then, you usually have more than a business relationship with them, they are also usually your friend to a point. Then when you consummate the act it is extra intimate and special. I so much prefer the time and cash investment. The only harm of never consummating it is you've gotten lots of good massages from someone you were interested in anyway. Not a bad thing.

Chi.

Not my thing. I'm not one that visits a legit therapist so many times to get extra play. I've found a few legit therapists that offer extra play right on the very first visit.