Strip Club Reports

[TakeThat]

I have been going to Foxy often the past couple of months too. I only do night time though. I'm the guy who sits at the bar or at the table until my favorite dancer shows up and I'll get the dance from her. I drink to pass the time by but I set a limit cause I don't really like to drink like that and plus the cost adds up quickly. The past 3 times I went it was too crowded for my liking. I wish my favorite dancer danced days too but she only dance night time.

[Horny As Hell]

I've been spending a LOT of time at the Foxy over the last month or so and for the most part have thoroughly enjoyed it. And it's not all during Leggs & Eggs either. A variety of days and times so I get to try out a lot of different girls. IMHO the best and easiest time to get extras is either during Leggs & Eggs or an early afternoon. At night too many people, too much competition etc.

I still don't get why some of the hottest dancers in there just don't even try to make some money though. They will just hang out with one dude and some don't even go up on stage. As for being on stage, I like to start talking to them there, feel them out a bit, tuck some $1's and have them visit me for a drink etc. If that goes well I'll go for a dance or two and if I like that will go for some extra's.

I also don't get why it seems to be a trend now for guys to just lay the $1 on the stage for her and not actually tuck it in or give it to her. That just seems like such a waste to me. I want her to dance in front of me, get a close up look etc. Feel her out, see if she's bitchy etc. Some of the girls just dance around the middle by the pole or around their regular that came to the stage and then collect the money left by others that she didn't even dance for.

I think I'm going to start posting more here on which girls just give a plain boring lapdance (ie hands off) and which at least let you enjoy some nice full contact even if you know that they do not do any extra's at all. Might save some of us a few $$ that way. Might even post which girls are pretty liberal while giving them too. Doubt I'll be posting much of the extra's here to avoid causing them any trouble.

Mariya, a mid 20's brunette from Russia. About 5'7" or so and about 130 lbs. Cute face, nice all natural body (rare nowadays) and a nice girl BUT she is pretty much hands off during the lapdance. She did ask me right away if we were going to have at least 2 dances and if so they'd be nude instead of topless. (That rule about a 2 minimum dance for nude I guess.) She does let you grab her ass but when I went to touch her tits she literally shrieked and said no. I'm talking just a caress too, not mauling her and not sucking on her nip (which most girls allow and some almost insist on). I don't ever expect to take her for a lapdance again as it's just not worth it at all.

Holly, a 29 yo (almost 30) blond from Worcester. Again, another nice girl and a smart girl too. Yet another dancing for tuition etc. She is also all natural and has no problem with you caressing her butt or tits etc as long as you're gentle and not mauling her. That her limit though, nothing more than that. Doubt i'll get any more from her either. Just too many more that give more bang for your buck.

Whenever I do see Venice (late 20's all natural blond with a nice ass) I will always get a couple of dances at least eventhough I know that she doesn't do extra's just because during her dances she will tell you that she only has two rules (and they're obvious ones) so she leaves pretty much everything open for a fun dance as long as you're nice. She's fun and sexy but again no extra's.

China is a young Asian spinner with an all natural body too. Her hair reaches down to her ass if you like that. Very nice ass, perky tits with big nips and she will literally have you undress her when she starts dancing which is cool. She will take your hands and put them on her ass and tits letting you know she expects you to play. This girl is very sexy and erotic but she will try to get you to stay back there forever getting dances LOL. SHE is also pretty hands on with you so you better not be shy either since she even kisses and licks because she sure as hell isn't I will get dances from her any and every time I see her so that should say something.

I'll add more at another time, hope it might save some guys either some time or money.

**I will note that some guys will hang out there for HOURS at the bar and never even go to the stage let alone get a lapdance. Others will sit down and monopolize a girl or two which is up to the girl. But why waste hours just talking etc and maybe having a drink or two. Most of these guys again don't go to the stage or get dances either. Some spend as much on drinks and massages as most do on dances. Lastly, If you want to negotiate with a girl try taking a "smoke break"

[Postman]

Sam is a great lady and gives an awesome lap dance. I would never consider her stuck up. Never did extras, you have to respect that. Although she never did CR's at Cadillac, she does do them at Desire (still no extras, but a fun, full contact 15 minutes). She has always been honest and polite, one of the nicer dancers in Providence.

Lap dances surely are NOT the way to get value for money. And I generally try to get to the OTC route wherever possible, generally via some mere wining and dining, or maybe that one lap dance in exchange for math.

But occasionally there's this super hot gal, who just won't budge and you know that the only taste you're going to get is during a lap dance. Prime example. A girl that used go by Sam at CL. She's now at Desire. Damn hot, spunky Brazilian, hardly ever drinks, unless she's with someone she trusts and will stick around for a long time, eg yours truly LOL. She never ever goes to the champagne room. So, either die fantasizing or spring for it and try her out with a lap dance (and I challenge you to stop at one lap dance). Your choice entirely, but if you do go the lap dance route remember that it's a very slippery road. She, and hottie stuck ups like her, are very talented at how to reel you in for more and more. At some point you'll have to learn to tell them to GET LOST. They'll never talk to you again. But that's how it's got to be. Whenever I go to Desire I'm half hoping not to run into her and half hoping I will. Those who know who I'm talking about might understand.

[Member #5624]

Lap dances surely are NOT the way to get value for money. And I generally try to get to the OTC route wherever possible, generally via some mere wining and dining, or maybe that one lap dance in exchange for math.

But occasionally there's this super hot gal, who just won't budge and you know that the only taste you're going to get is during a lap dance. Prime example. A girl that used go by Sam at CL. She's now at Desire. Damn hot, spunky Brazilian, hardly ever drinks, unless she's with someone she trusts and will stick around for a long time, eg yours truly LOL. She never ever goes to the champagne room. So, either die fantasizing or spring for it and try her out with a lap dance (and I challenge you to stop at one lap dance). Your choice entirely, but if you do go the lap dance route remember that it's a very slippery road. She, and hottie stuck ups like her, are very talented at how to reel you in for more and more. At some point you'll have to learn to tell them to GET LOST. They'll never talk to you again. But that's how it's got to be. Whenever I go to Desire I'm half hoping not to run into her and half hoping I will. Those who know who I'm talking about might understand.

Agreed I try to stay away from the LD's which is how they can get a lot of money out of you and than not agree to exactly what you want. I drink and chat with them and get down to exact details and prices. And again if you get the details and the price written in stone and you pay upon completion you are almost 99% guaranteed stellar extras. I just LOVE it when they say if you don't like it you don't have to pay me!! I will accept that offer every time. A long time ago I was at CF and a beautiful blonde stinking drunk told me 100 for everything I want. If you don't like it don't pay me. I went in the booth with her. She started giving me a wild and crazy BBBJ stark naked. I stop her to put the party hat on and before I could do any CFS she totally passed out right there in the booth! I put my pants on and walked out and told the bouncer she was passed out in the booth and to go get her out. Of course the short BBBJ was free since I never got to CIM or finish CFS.

[CadillaCock]

I don't use lap dances to "audition" them. Because then THEY are in control, and investing in vanilla lapdances while they try to upsell you can surely make the $ ad up! So I guess it depends on what sort of an investment you are willing to make. I have always preferred to buy them a drink (or even just a water if they don't drink), chat them up, and explore their "limits" both verbally and manually. Then if I get a good vibe, I pin them down on the EXACT services that I want to buy, along with the EXACT price. That includes DETAIL--DFK, whether a rubber will be used, etc--in fact I always try to sit in a dark isolated discrete area of the club, if there is one, and try to audition them for DFK first. That way, if they turn out to NOT be user-friendly, I've only lost about 6 to 7 bucks on a drink. Because what I want to pay them for, is to get my dick into one of their orifices. I do not want to lose a lot of cash just to have them grind on me. With lap dances most will prolong those negotiations to the point where the fuck or suck booth session will end up costing twice as much or more! One can't blame them, really, it is after all they way many of them make half their profit! But it could easily cost you several dances up to 100 or more just to find out if they are willing to put out. Everybody has their own methods, though, of course, and it took me 20 years to figure out that this was the best method for me!

Agreed I try to stay away from the LD's which is how they can get a lot of money out of you and than not agree to exactly what you want. I drink and chat with them and get down to exact details and prices. And again if you get the details and the price written in stone and you pay upon completion you are almost 99% guaranteed stellar extras. I just LOVE it when they say if you don't like it you don't have to pay me!! I will accept that offer every time. A long time ago I was at CF and a beautiful blonde stinking drunk told me 100 for everything I want. If you don't like it don't pay me. I went in the booth with her. She started giving me a wild and crazy BBBJ stark naked. I stop her to put the party hat on and before I could do any CFS she totally passed out right there in the booth! I put my pants on and walked out and told the bouncer she was passed out in the booth and to go get her out. Of course the short BBBJ was free since I never got to CIM or finish CFS.

[Lips1963]

Agree 1000%. A lapdance is like an advertisement for the champagne room. While a lot of things that look good in ads don't turn out to be great, f you can't even make a product look good in an ad you know that product is going to suck. In the bad way.

I don't use lap dances to "audition" them. Because then THEY are in control, and investing in vanilla lapdances while they try to upsell you can surely make the $ ad up! So I guess it depends on what sort of an investment you are willing to make. I have always preferred to buy them a drink (or even just a water if they don't drink), chat them up, and explore their "limits" both verbally and manually. Then if I get a good vibe, I pin them down on the EXACT services that I want to buy, along with the EXACT price. That includes DETAIL--DFK, whether a rubber will be used, etc--in fact I always try to sit in a dark isolated discrete area of the club, if there is one, and try to audition them for DFK first. That way, if they turn out to NOT be user-friendly, I've only lost about 6 to 7 bucks on a drink. Because what I want to pay them for, is to get my dick into one of their orifices. I do not want to lose a lot of cash just to have them grind on me. With lap dances most will prolong those negotiations to the point where the fuck or suck booth session will end up costing twice as much or more! One can't blame them, really, it is after all they way many of them make half their profit! But it could easily cost you several dances up to 100 or more just to find out if they are willing to put out. Everybody has their own methods, though, of course, and it took me 20 years to figure out that this was the best method for me!

[iamioman]

..One thing is you should NEVER do a room without doing a dance first. If they try and rush you into a room and skip the dance that's about the biggest red flag you can get. That's the big NO, NO thing that she could say. If she was good, she'd do the dance and the dance would be so good that you'd want to do a room.

Agree 1000%. A lapdance is like an advertisement for the champagne room. While a lot of things that look good in ads don't turn out to be great, f you can't even make a product look good in an ad you know that product is going to suck. In the bad way.

[CadillaCock]

How about paying up front and letting them know they can also get a tip if they do a great job. I don't mind adding to the bill if the service is great.

How about paying upon completion and letting them know they can also get a tip if they do a great job, LOL. I ALWAYS have to tip anyway since they ALWAYS do a great job knowing I ALWAYS have their payment held captive, LOL. I totally agree with PaulGlenlivet's post however if you don't have the time to put in and for most it's just a hobby it's best just to pay up front. I have the time to spend and I consider the art of the deal part of the foreplay knowing that she has to trust me enough to take a gamble with getting paid the first time out. As far as repeats with the same girl after the first time out, not one of them has ever mentioned money before the delivery on repeat performances. If I do DATY I tell the girl, it is just like I expect your BBBJ to be, I won't quit till you reach orgasm no matter if it takes you an hour to get you off I expect the same in return, LOL. But if I get you off and you don't get me off I want to know how much you are going to pay me for pleasing you! Of course it's a joke, they laugh about it but I always have to wonder why girls won't pay guys for a good orgasm!! Simple answer, guys think with their little head not the big one and most girls know it so they keep their pussy hidden in their panties, guarding it like gold at Fort Knox knowing we are stupid minded sex junkies who will do anything or yes even pay money to make them as happy as they make us!!

[Puckster]

CC, you make some great points. In the TOFTT world you're spot on and I wouldn't have it any other way. And if you have unlimited time for mongering, then also you're spot on. If I'm TOFTT I totally try to pay on delivery (POD). Many of the best reviewed providers won't even bring it up, so I end up doing POD without having planned on it. But there's a real big contingent of reviewed providers in the middle of those two extremes where if I were to insist on POD I would miss out on an awesome, well reviewed provider for no good reason. Individual trust factor (clean, well dressed, smelling good, looking like you ain't some loser) is huge, and I agree. But generally, I'm already asking for so many extras that adding one more for no good reason is just not a great idea. It could end up being the last straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Also, I don't usually have unlimited time for mongering (maybe one day soon I will, LOL). So, I have to pick my battles (I mean dreams) carefully. Happy mongering you all.

How about paying up front and letting them know they can also get a tip if they do a great job. I don't mind adding to the bill if the service is great.

[Member #5624]

CC, you make some great points. In the TOFTT world you're spot on and I wouldn't have it any other way. And if you have unlimited time for mongering, then also you're spot on. If I'm TOFTT I totally try to pay on delivery (POD). Many of the best reviewed providers won't even bring it up, so I end up doing POD without having planned on it. But there's a real big contingent of reviewed providers in the middle of those two extremes where if I were to insist on POD I would miss out on an awesome, well reviewed provider for no good reason. Individual trust factor (clean, well dressed, smelling good, looking like you ain't some loser) is huge, and I agree. But generally, I'm already asking for so many extras that adding one more for no good reason is just not a great idea. It could end up being the last straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Also, I don't usually have unlimited time for mongering (maybe one day soon I will, LOL). So, I have to pick my battles (I mean dreams) carefully. Happy mongering you all.

If paying up front with a good reviewed provider works for you so be it and usually it will if she has been rated well by others but sooner or later you will get a bad experience or poor performance especially with strippers. Why, because when they already have your money they can pull every trick in the book even if they deliver what you asked for, such as not giving you enough time for what you paid for or not providing top quality service even though they can or could. All I am saying is when you pay up front the cards are all in her favor but if you don't pay up front the cards are all in your favor. You also said you very rarely had to regret your approach and my answer to that is if I don't pay up front I will never regret my approach because if she doesn't deliver as promised she won't get paid. That being said any exceptional provider will never ask for the money up front if as you said you are not a jerk while negotiating. I will agree with you that the approach and the art of the deal is everything on them trusting you to pay when finished. If in fact they think you are a loser with no money or you look like shit, or you are dressed poorly, or not freshly showered, or not shaved and smelling good and not clean and you talk like a neanderthal instead of a gentleman than YES they will definitely insist you pay up front. As for what you said about missing out on a lot of good dreams I can honestly say it seldom happens to me and the very few that do refuse my offer of payment after the fun all I can say is two things. I probably would not have been totally satisfied with the total time agreed to or the quality of the service even if she delivered what she promised and last but not least I have no problem walking away since for every one in fifty that turn you down and say no there are twenty more new or better prospects ready and willing to accept the deal. Weather I spend 40 or 50 bucks for a simple BBBJCIM or $, $$, or $$$ for an hour or two of around the world fun from top to bottom with the best filet-mignon there is out there I always get my moneys worth paying when finished. Finally I would say that I actually don't recommend this to anyone new in the game or doesn't know the 1001 tricks that providers play or have little time to negotiate. I actually love to spend as much time as I can talking and negotiating a deal with a provider for a play date before I pull the trigger. That is one reason why I mostly prefer UTR providers over strippers and BP hoes. Some will spend hours with you for free, become a great friend and only charge you for the sex. As CS used to say, I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave! I agree with him because if a UTR girl really likes you she won't want you to leave. Most BP hoes and strippers want you out the door so they can get the next guy in the door. I rarely waste my time anymore with BP girls or strippers. The exception to this rule is Destiny because she states exactly what you will get for a very low price of 40 to 50 bucks which is a BBBJCIM ONLY but she is one of the best QV providers around since she is pretty and clean and has a safe place and very good at what she does. This girl is basically giving you a free BBBJCIM since a motel room is 40 or more! Last but not least I can't forget Nikki Lee another exception to the rule. There will never ever be a SW as hot and as sexy as Nikki. She will go down in the sexual history archives as the greatest hottest sexiest SW of all times. I always give her a tip but somehow I always feel like she is worth much more.

[CadillaCock]

I would have missed out on a lot of good dreams if I followed this rule. It's a good rule to follow if you're TOFTT. But when it comes to reviewed ladies, this is not a good rule. The problem is that there are many guys who are complete jerks and cause the girls to become jaded or careful. If I trust the reviewer and the review, then I go in and pay upfront for my dream. I've very rarely had to regret that approach.

If paying up front with a good reviewed provider works for you so be it and usually it will if she has been rated well by others but sooner or later you will get a bad experience or poor performance especially with strippers. Why, because when they already have your money they can pull every trick in the book even if they deliver what you asked for, such as not giving you enough time for what you paid for or not providing top quality service even though they can or could. All I am saying is when you pay up front the cards are all in her favor but if you don't pay up front the cards are all in your favor. You also said you very rarely had to regret your approach and my answer to that is if I don't pay up front I will never regret my approach because if she doesn't deliver as promised she won't get paid. That being said any exceptional provider will never ask for the money up front if as you said you are not a jerk while negotiating. I will agree with you that the approach and the art of the deal is everything on them trusting you to pay when finished. If in fact they think you are a loser with no money or you look like shit, or you are dressed poorly, or not freshly showered, or not shaved and smelling good and not clean and you talk like a neanderthal instead of a gentleman than YES they will definitely insist you pay up front. As for what you said about missing out on a lot of good dreams I can honestly say it seldom happens to me and the very few that do refuse my offer of payment after the fun all I can say is two things. I probably would not have been totally satisfied with the total time agreed to or the quality of the service even if she delivered what she promised and last but not least I have no problem walking away since for every one in fifty that turn you down and say no there are twenty more new or better prospects ready and willing to accept the deal. Weather I spend 40 or 50 bucks for a simple BBBJCIM or $, $$, or $$$ for an hour or two of around the world fun from top to bottom with the best filet-mignon there is out there I always get my moneys worth paying when finished. Finally I would say that I actually don't recommend this to anyone new in the game or doesn't know the 1001 tricks that providers play or have little time to negotiate. I actually love to spend as much time as I can talking and negotiating a deal with a provider for a play date before I pull the trigger. That is one reason why I mostly prefer UTR providers over strippers and BP hoes. Some will spend hours with you for free, become a great friend and only charge you for the sex. As CS used to say, I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave! I agree with him because if a UTR girl really likes you she won't want you to leave. Most BP hoes and strippers want you out the door so they can get the next guy in the door. I rarely waste my time anymore with BP girls or strippers. The exception to this rule is Destiny because she states exactly what you will get for a very low price of 40 to 50 bucks which is a BBBJCIM ONLY but she is one of the best QV providers around since she is pretty and clean and has a safe place and very good at what she does. This girl is basically giving you a free BBBJCIM since a motel room is 40 or more! Last but not least I can't forget Nikki Lee another exception to the rule. There will never ever be a SW as hot and as sexy as Nikki. She will go down in the sexual history archives as the greatest hottest sexiest SW of all times. I always give her a tip but somehow I always feel like she is worth much more.

[Lips1963]

I would have missed out on a lot of good dreams if I followed this rule. It's a good rule to follow if you're TOFTT. But when it comes to reviewed ladies, this is not a good rule. The problem is that there are many guys who are complete jerks and cause the girls to become jaded or careful. If I trust the reviewer and the review, then I go in and pay upfront for my dream. I've very rarely had to regret that approach.

My only experience was at Cheaters, it was the only strip club in Providence I went to regularly before it closed. But I had a LOT of booth hours in there, LOL! There were VERY few girls that I did not already know (in the biblical sense, LOL!) that would go in the booth and do ANYTHING beyond an expensive lap dance w / o pre-payment. But I found that, after about 15 years experience in there, the apprroximate percentage of ROBS (defined here as failure to provide promised services) was about 25%. In other words, about 1 out of 4 of the girls at Cheaters were TOTALLY dishonest in my estimation. Especially in the later years when half the girls in there were on hard drugs. My only other extensive club experiences I had were in Florida. The percentage of ROBS in those FL clubs was, I think, just about he same--about 25%. And those goes back 20 years.

But as for NOT agreeing on services IN DETAIL before going in the 'champaign room"well, IMHO, your odds of getting ANY decent service go WAY WAY down. Thats why I've NEVER gone into a booth with a girl for at least 20 years without pinning her down on EXACTLY what services would be performed!

In other words, I learned the hard way. : (.

[Member #5624]

I would have missed out on a lot of good dreams if I followed this rule. It's a good rule to follow if you're TOFTT. But when it comes to reviewed ladies, this is not a good rule. The problem is that there are many guys who are complete jerks and cause the girls to become jaded or careful. If I trust the reviewer and the review, then I go in and pay upfront for my dream. I've very rarely had to regret that approach.

Everything Iamioman and Latin Hunt posted below is 100% right on the money. However I have a rule with all providers and this includes BP girls, CL girls, SW's and especially dancers since dancers seem to scam more than the other categories in my experience. After doing a lap dance and a test drive if she wishes to pursue extras in the CR I always explain exactly what I am looking for and what I want including CIM and how much it will be. IF she agrees I show her the money and tell her I never pay up front and if she does everything as promised she gets the agreed price when finished. I have found that most any girl who is not a scammer will agree to that and if they do I am almost guaranteed that I will get the best performance they have to offer since they will do everything they can to please you to make sure they get the money and possibly a tip if they are exceptional. Once in a while they will resist, especially if it is the first time out, but they never ask for the money up front after the first time out for a repeat performance. With that in mind I have only been scammed once ever because against my better judgement my little head took over the big head. That one time was with the Pawtucket slam pig that lived over the bar who I reported a year ago on here many times and warned everybody about. She promised BBBJCIM and when I got there she said no way. I said give me my money back and she said no after hiding it in the other room but she did take all her clothes off and said you can fuck me BB but no BBBJ. She laid out on the bed naked spread her legs and was so nasty and dirty I decided to walk out instead of fucking her and I told her I was going to tell everyone on the internet that she lied unless she gave me my money. She said no so I walked out and posted what she did at least 4 different times when some one started asking about this CL girl. Another time a long while back I went into a CR with Janet at CF. She promised I would get everything I asked for but when we got into the CR she starts taking her clothes off so I start taking my pants off and she says what are you doing because I don't do any sex!! She had just agreed to BBBJCIM and CFS! Bear in mind I had not given her the money up front so I immediately put my pants on and walked right out of the CR. She comes out of the CR screaming to the bouncer that I ripped her off and didn't pay her. I told the bouncer I walked out the first minute and we did nothing at all not even a dance and that she owed me 30 dollars for the CR fee! He said it was her problem and he wasn't throwing me out. She outright lied so she got no money. I saved myself a $ scam. Another example was a few months ago I picked up a SW. We got to area 51 for a 40 dollar BBBJCIM. I pulled my cock out and she said before I start I need the cash up front. I zipped my pants, started my vehicle up and proceeded to bring her back to the street I picked her up on. She said where are you going. I said I am taking you back since I told you money on completion. She says yes but not the first time you could rip me off. I said well I guess you will never know. She then says ok, ok, go back to the spot and you better pay me when I am finished because I really need the cash. So I went back and she gave me a great BBBJCIM and didn't rush me! I told her if she rushed me or stopped after 2 minutes or told me to hurry up and get off, no money. She didn't and I gave her a 10 dollar tip. The word gets out with these girls and all the ones I know never ask me for money up front ever because they know I will walk away go to plan B or C with another girl. So there it is, NEVER PAY UP FRONT AND SAY SO! If they ***** a little or resist tell them this. When you go to a restaurant and order filet-mignon and spend an hour having fun and drinks, do they demand the money up front? If so they would be out of business.

[PartTimePlayer]

Everything Iamioman and Latin Hunt posted below is 100% right on the money. However I have a rule with all providers and this includes BP girls, CL girls, SW's and especially dancers since dancers seem to scam more than the other categories in my experience. After doing a lap dance and a test drive if she wishes to pursue extras in the CR I always explain exactly what I am looking for and what I want including CIM and how much it will be. IF she agrees I show her the money and tell her I never pay up front and if she does everything as promised she gets the agreed price when finished. I have found that most any girl who is not a scammer will agree to that and if they do I am almost guaranteed that I will get the best performance they have to offer since they will do everything they can to please you to make sure they get the money and possibly a tip if they are exceptional. Once in a while they will resist, especially if it is the first time out, but they never ask for the money up front after the first time out for a repeat performance. With that in mind I have only been scammed once ever because against my better judgement my little head took over the big head. That one time was with the Pawtucket slam pig that lived over the bar who I reported a year ago on here many times and warned everybody about. She promised BBBJCIM and when I got there she said no way. I said give me my money back and she said no after hiding it in the other room but she did take all her clothes off and said you can fuck me BB but no BBBJ. She laid out on the bed naked spread her legs and was so nasty and dirty I decided to walk out instead of fucking her and I told her I was going to tell everyone on the internet that she lied unless she gave me my money. She said no so I walked out and posted what she did at least 4 different times when some one started asking about this CL girl. Another time a long while back I went into a CR with Janet at CF. She promised I would get everything I asked for but when we got into the CR she starts taking her clothes off so I start taking my pants off and she says what are you doing because I don't do any sex!! She had just agreed to BBBJCIM and CFS! Bear in mind I had not given her the money up front so I immediately put my pants on and walked right out of the CR. She comes out of the CR screaming to the bouncer that I ripped her off and didn't pay her. I told the bouncer I walked out the first minute and we did nothing at all not even a dance and that she owed me 30 dollars for the CR fee! He said it was her problem and he wasn't throwing me out. She outright lied so she got no money. I saved myself a $ scam. Another example was a few months ago I picked up a SW. We got to area 51 for a 40 dollar BBBJCIM. I pulled my cock out and she said before I start I need the cash up front. I zipped my pants, started my vehicle up and proceeded to bring her back to the street I picked her up on. She said where are you going. I said I am taking you back since I told you money on completion. She says yes but not the first time you could rip me off. I said well I guess you will never know. She then says ok, ok, go back to the spot and you better pay me when I am finished because I really need the cash. So I went back and she gave me a great BBBJCIM and didn't rush me! I told her if she rushed me or stopped after 2 minutes or told me to hurry up and get off, no money. She didn't and I gave her a 10 dollar tip. The word gets out with these girls and all the ones I know never ask me for money up front ever because they know I will walk away go to plan B or C with another girl. So there it is, NEVER PAY UP FRONT AND SAY SO! If they ***** a little or resist tell them this. When you go to a restaurant and order filet-mignon and spend an hour having fun and drinks, do they demand the money up front? If so they would be out of business.

CadillaCock has given me solid advice and leads in the past and have paid off. I highly rate his word. Hopefully the time will come when I can repay with a solid lead. But that may be hard as he is way ahead of me in the pussy count. Others on here have definitely helped to and I am not trying to discount their advice and info. But Cadilla has definitely been my mentor thus far as I'm kind of new to the game and don't play much. Don't mean to sound like a brown noser because that's what I would think too but I'm just giving credit where credit is definitely due.

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Sorry, I was not detailed enough about what happened which would of shown all of the red flags from step 1.

This attractive tall blonde girl with nice shape approached me and asked me if I wanted to go to champagne room for $200 to have some fun. I asked how much a lap dance was and got $40 naked reply which I agreed to. We went upstairs and she asked me for the money first, so she can pay the girl on the cash machine, I had no problems with this initially because I thought it might be the new rule with the name change. I decided to get 2 dances because she was attractive and did not want to interrupt the dance. I gave her the money and she did not go and pay the cashier and started to take her top off. After taking her bra off before doing any kind of dance move she leaned into my ear and said lets go downstairs $200 for 20 min, which I replied not now and want dance first. She started dancing and very light grinding where I grabbed her behind and noticed she moved my hands, which I did not think much about. Maybe 15-20 seconds later I touched her breasts and she moved my hands and said "I was moving to fast", I was confused at this moment because I have never had negative feedback at the lounge for this kind of contact. I waited a little longer and slowly grabbed her tits without any real squeeze and she moved my hands really fast and she told me she was scared because she thought I was going to squeeze really hard. At this moment we are still in first song and I'm really confused. She starts grinding me lightly and I touch her thighs, again she moves my hands and tells me I'm moving to fast. While all of this is happening she mentioned champagne room 2-3 times to my ear. After the 3rd time I put my hands up against the wall, she replies what is this? I told her I'm not touching you and she doesn't have to worry about anything. After hearing what I say she stands up and says "we're done" and I asked for the second dance money because the first one did not even finish. Once I asked for the money for the second dance she raised her voice and said " you already paid for the second dance " to which I replied than dance all the while I had my hands up against the wall I was leaning on. During the second dance I barely looked at her and when I did look, I noticed she had one negative look after another. Things got so bad that my erection went 100% - 0% while hot naked blonde was dancing in front of me with light grinds. About middle of the second dance she unzips my pants and tries grabbing the little guy and tells me " don't worry I will only charge $100 and nobody will even know", I immediately grabbed her hands and said " I was all set and she was moving to fast". Once this happened she stood up and said we were done, I immediately got up and said "peace" before walking downstairs.

Everything I explained above happened in 3-5 minutes.

All I can say is WOW, and that I'm sorry that happened to you. She sounds like a real pro with that "moving too fast" bullshit.