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  1. #14249

    Kiko and More Up-selling

    Gents,

    I liked all the comments about the recent up-selling efforts by Anna of Thai Pattaya and that most of us did not appreciate this approach. I contributed to this conversation as well. Good job everyone!

    There is another new provider in town that is trying a similar up-selling approach, so I thought I would share. Her name is Kiko and she is currently working out of Siam Thai Massage. First off, the photo is a much younger version of her (see link to CL ad below). She is ok looking, but older than the photo and a little on the chubby side. Made an appointment and she stated her hourly rate was $80/ hour, not $60 and hour like all the other Thai providers. When asked about the higher hourly rate, she stated that if I was unwilling to pay the $80/ hour that I should go elsewhere. As a curious customer I decided to proceed. Was hoping that her skills and service were so great that she was trying to set herself apart and it would be worth it.

    http://honolulu.backpage.com/Therape...al-pic/6219120

    Nothing great about the massage, pretty standard on the backside. Just prior to the flip, she started in with the light finger tips and brushing of Jr. On the flip, the up-selling efforts began. Similar to Anna's approach, but less greedy, mainly because she was not as hot and did not have as much to offer in terms of visible assets. I went in for the commitment to HE and then had to negotiate a little more for her to take off her top. Ended up giving her a bit more than my standard tip. In addition, after the HE, the massage was over, she did not finish with massage of legs on the front, or any chest, head or face massage, which I personally like.

    Wanted to share this experience with fellow hobbyists; this type of service needs to be extinguished as it takes away from the enjoyment of a relaxing massage with HE.

    Aloha.

  2. #14248

    Annie

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinGun  [View Original Post]
    Had a chance to see Anna recently and the reviews on her are spot on. She asked for the tip up front. I gave her $60 and described what my expectations were for the 60 min. Session. I was up front about what I wanted. She then asked for more tip. I gave her $20 more and said that's it. I got my long and sensual light fingertip / fingernail massage, including the HE. She complained that I should be giving her more tip since she is providing a the light massage per my special request. I didn't give her more. I did enjoy the HE but not without feeling like she had all the power since I already tipped her. So it was hard to ask for anything more. I am glad I tried her since she is leaving indefinitely tomorrow. I don't think I would go to her again. L=7, S=6, A=4 (she didn't smile at all and only did minimum post-tip service).
    I saw her too. I agree with you that she is overly aggressive on being tipped.

    Tip should be appreciated and not expected and demanded like she does.

    We should all boycott this woman. I would rate her looks as a 4 and her service as a -10!

    She said her last day is today and be going back to LA and returning to Hawaii later.

    I wanted to tell Nikki (owner of Thai Pattaya) what a bad apple this person is and how adversely she affects her business.

  3. #14247
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilvasians  [View Original Post]
    Can someone provide the contact info for Erlinda in the Kaheka building?

    Mahalo!
    http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/5698151980.html

  4. #14246
    Quote Originally Posted by CMan  [View Original Post]
    Same building, try next cubicle over. Located in the same room number separated by a wall. There's only one shower there so timing is key. I tried Stella and all I got to say is LOSE MONEY. 75/ hr for just massage? I can drop 60 everywhere else for that matter.
    Ok. I've seen both historically. Not Stella tho since she moved locations. I'm wondering if they saw me with the other if that would be issues. I go have my massage to relax and be away from woman issues and drama and I wouldn't want being seen with the other therapist being an issue. I would probably stick with Linda for my massages and only see Stella for her version of nuru, but not if it caused an issue.

    One thing I found interesting the last time I was there was that in this shared space there are also male therapists. Some that practice with the door openned and others with door closed. So I'm waiting in the seat in the front and out from a closed door comes out this middle aged haole blond lady who got a massage from the guy. She kinda seems like she is in the wrong place and should be at a spa or something nicer but she comes out wearing sun glasses inside the building which to me seemed even more out of place (even though I have my sun glasses on too waiting, LOL). But I know why I'm there and keeping a low profile makes sense, but it was like she was trying to keep a low profile also.

    It made me think if the mongering there goes both ways for both genders. Maybe I'm wrong but it was funny to see a woman dart out of there with sunglasses and hat looking like she's trying to keep everything on the down low like she was one of us. LOL.

  5. #14245
    Quote Originally Posted by RicoSr1  [View Original Post]
    I'm perplexed as to why a seasoned Monger, after reading the reviews would still go to her? And, giving tip money up front! A HF or massage fee, which is acceptable to pay up front, whether it's $60 or more is for the service (period)! A tip like anywhere else is for service rendered above and beyond what you payed for. Would you do this at a restaurant? You're comment was spot on, "she had all the power". That's what happens when you let Jr do the thinking for the one on your shoulders. But, it's your cash, Monger On!
    I was fully aware that I broke the "never tip up front" rule of mongering. Practically broke the "overtipping" rule too. $80 for a HE for fully clothed and no roaming is $20 too much. I was obviously thinking with the little head! I don't usually go to Thai massage so I guess I wanted to try a sure thing before she leaves. The last time I tried Thai (Pinky), I ended up blue balls.

  6. #14244

    Erlinda

    Can someone provide the contact info for Erlinda in the Kaheka building?

    Mahalo!

  7. #14243

    Anna

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinGun  [View Original Post]
    Had a chance to see Anna recently and the reviews on her are spot on. She asked for the tip up front. I gave her $60 and described what my expectations were for the 60 min. Session. I was up front about what I wanted. She then asked for more tip. I gave her $20 more and said that's it. I got my long and sensual light fingertip / fingernail massage, including the HE. She complained that I should be giving her more tip since she is providing a the light massage per my special request. I didn't give her more. I did enjoy the HE but not without feeling like she had all the power since I already tipped her. So it was hard to ask for anything more. I am glad I tried her since she is leaving indefinitely tomorrow. I don't think I would go to her again. L=7, S=6, A=4 (she didn't smile at all and only did minimum post-tip service).
    I'm perplexed as to why a seasoned Monger, after reading the reviews would still go to her? And, giving tip money up front! A HF or massage fee, which is acceptable to pay up front, whether it's $60 or more is for the service (period)! A tip like anywhere else is for service rendered above and beyond what you payed for. Would you do this at a restaurant? You're comment was spot on, "she had all the power". That's what happens when you let Jr do the thinking for the one on your shoulders. But, it's your cash, Monger On!

  8. #14242

    Anna at Thai Pattaya

    Quote Originally Posted by WomenLover2  [View Original Post]
    Wow! I definitely agree with you. I saw her too and I have never met any massage therapist.

    Who was so brazen and aggressive in asking for a tip. I felt I was.

    Talking with a cheap class ***** who wheels and deals.
    Had a chance to see Anna recently and the reviews on her are spot on. She asked for the tip up front. I gave her $60 and described what my expectations were for the 60 min. Session. I was up front about what I wanted. She then asked for more tip. I gave her $20 more and said that's it. I got my long and sensual light fingertip / fingernail massage, including the HE. She complained that I should be giving her more tip since she is providing a the light massage per my special request. I didn't give her more. I did enjoy the HE but not without feeling like she had all the power since I already tipped her. So it was hard to ask for anything more. I am glad I tried her since she is leaving indefinitely tomorrow. I don't think I would go to her again. L=7, S=6, A=4 (she didn't smile at all and only did minimum post-tip service).

  9. #14241

    Thai and Jessie

    Been seeing Thai and Jessie for the past 6 weeks. They both give nice massage. I like Jessie's massage better cause she gives more pressure. Love the way her big boobs touch the back of my head while she tried to massage me from shoulder to my butt cheeks. LOL. I finally got Thai to give me HJ last week. It was nice and sensual. Jessie gave me a massage last Sunday and it was nice and sensual too as always. 2 thumbs up to these 2 lovely ladies. Highly recommended. BTW, key word YMMV. Stay safe my bradah.

  10. #14240
    Senior Member


    Posts: 116

    Stella

    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker963  [View Original Post]
    Wow 75 and no he offered?

    So it's in the same building as erlinda, but is it the same office?

    It's the same Stella that used to offer her version of nuru. Had the ad with the squirrels Massaging each other. I would think that she is not one that you have to try to turn to the darkside and it would just be assumed on her part. Maybe she's got a license and has turned over a new leaf.
    Same building, try next cubicle over. Located in the same room number separated by a wall. There's only one shower there so timing is key. I tried Stella and all I got to say is LOSE MONEY. 75/ hr for just massage? I can drop 60 everywhere else for that matter.

  11. #14239
    Quote Originally Posted by EmSee  [View Original Post]
    I never tried FS with Vicky or cherry but with Gina it wax $.80. But on the normal HE at $. 20.

    I complained about it my first time when I was short. After that sessions after been that full hour.
    Thanks. I've never tried for more than he but I'm not the most assertive guy. Maybe that's why they know they can short me on time. I remember once on the flip she takes a call and says "I should be ready in like 15 minutes" and now I feel the pressure knowing the next person is showing up soon and I got to finish and get out to avoid the awkward crossing paths with the walk of shame. I do tho give Royal credit for their effort as they may be rushing you and cutting you on the front end of your massage but there never seems to be a lack effort and attention on the back end.

  12. #14238
    Quote Originally Posted by EmSee  [View Original Post]
    Went to check out Stella today. Same girl as in pic. Really pretty. Short. Maybe 5'3 or something. She's located in kaheka professional building. Get to her room and as I look at the sign. There's other therapist listed on the sign. Like first and last name like Doctor kind of style. Legit. I walk in. She shows me to her room (more like cubical. Her room is so small)". I undress and she massages. Really good actually. Gets really close to the boys. Even a time where she works right Next to Jr but doesn't touch it. She's asked 75 up front. I enjoyed my massage. Why'all know if this the same Stella that does nuru long time ago? Def a repeat. Pm me if you want for the details.

    https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/5691280832.html

    Huuuuraaajah.
    Wow 75 and no he offered?

    So it's in the same building as erlinda, but is it the same office?

    It's the same Stella that used to offer her version of nuru. Had the ad with the squirrels Massaging each other. I would think that she is not one that you have to try to turn to the darkside and it would just be assumed on her part. Maybe she's got a license and has turned over a new leaf.

  13. #14237
    Quote Originally Posted by EmSee  [View Original Post]
    Went to check out Stella today. Same girl as in pic. Really pretty. Short. Maybe 5'3 or something. She's located in kaheka professional building. Get to her room and as I look at the sign. There's other therapist listed on the sign. Like first and last name like Doctor kind of style. Legit. I walk in. She shows me to her room (more like cubical. Her room is so small)". I undress and she massages. Really good actually. Gets really close to the boys. Even a time where she works right Next to Jr but doesn't touch it. She's asked 75 up front. I enjoyed my massage. Why'all know if this the same Stella that does nuru long time ago? Def a repeat. Pm me if you want for the details.

    https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/5691280832.html

    Huuuuraaajah.
    Same one. Last time I checked she doesn't do nuru at her new location. Not sure about the HE though, as I haven't seen her since she moved to her new spot.

  14. #14236
    Senior Member


    Posts: 133

    Stella

    Went to check out Stella today. Same girl as in pic. Really pretty. Short. Maybe 5'3 or something. She's located in kaheka professional building. Get to her room and as I look at the sign. There's other therapist listed on the sign. Like first and last name like Doctor kind of style. Legit. I walk in. She shows me to her room (more like cubical. Her room is so small)". I undress and she massages. Really good actually. Gets really close to the boys. Even a time where she works right Next to Jr but doesn't touch it. She's asked 75 up front. I enjoyed my massage. Why'all know if this the same Stella that does nuru long time ago? Def a repeat. Pm me if you want for the details.

    https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/5691280832.html

    Huuuuraaajah.

  15. #14235

    Cookie at Hiran Massage

    Quote Originally Posted by HMobius  [View Original Post]
    Yes she does look different, but that's the same number.

    I tried her once a while back but was not convinced I should repeat. I did not mind that no play was available or that roaming of any kind however slight was not allowed; what did it for me was that she was just too uptight from even before the session started.

    Good customer service counts even in the mongering world IMO. Perhaps she reserves that for guys she finds gorgeous.
    Cookie / Candy at Hiran Massage is totally uptight too. Won't allow.

    Any touching of even her hands. Being so uptight about not being touched.

    Is a total turnoff and is bad service I think.

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