The Prickyard

[MrEnvious]

DAMN!

I'm sorry I brought it up and apparently then degraded the term UTR. Next time I will keep my mouth shut!

I agree with you Dyoung35. What's the point in trying to contribute?

And just to do FF a favor I will uninvited myself from the M&G tomorrow.

I know half the providers that are going anyway. The other half will just have to decide for themselves whether it is worth it to them to attend if only those in FF's circle of friends are coming anyway.

I would even be willing to bet that others on this board do not contribute because they don't want to be the target of FF, JJBEE62 and MWDUDE's criticism.

And of course, they won't say they agree with me they will just remain silent. That's what you call a consensus. Not when all your buddy's agree with you!

I think the reason that A2 is so tired of this Indy crowd is because this useless diatribe doesn't contribute anything. And it probably thwarts further input from others.

And as you can read into IndyGuy123's comments, you don't want to piss off the FF because there will be ramifications. I hope A2 took note of that veiled threat to anyone else who dare contribute and risk the ridicule of FF and friends.

So, maybe A2 can consider banning FF, JJBEE62 and MWDUDE for 2 months and make it known on this board that you are now free to contribute without fear of retribution from these guys for 2 months.

Then, let's see how much more active the silent members become from this 2 month moratorium.

If I'm right the providers will be happy, the members will be happy and the rest of us will be able to learn more from each other that is productive to the purpose of the forum.

[Jjbee62]

This is a interesting question. Many opinions and none really wrong or right but input from others could be helpful before being added to the Newbies Blog.

"True UTR" is completely under the radar. No names, phone numbers or e-mails are posted on any type of forum or website. Business is completely derived from word of mouth, through back channels on this or other boards. No reviews, no ads, no postings on any escort sites, etc. Nobody knows anything about the UTR without the UTR approving its release through her customer (s) first. This is in many peoples opinion is the definition of a "True UTR". Now is it possible that a "True UTR" can also be a provider that requests a monger to put up a post that he has a UTR that is looking for additional customers and to contact him for more details. It's just a more expedient way than sending out massive PM's. Since nobody really knows anything about her then isn't she still a "True UTR". I think it is because the key is no contact info is out on open forum (s) and backchannels have to be used to contact her. Some of these UTR's may have been on a SB site and met the monger there and is now willing to step out more into the mainstream limelight, but still remain mostly anonymous. I know several UTR's that are this way. Nobody knows their name and phone number unless the UTR provides it once they are comfortable with the initial contact through the posting monger. So please chime in to agree or disagree.

"Quasi-UTR" is a type of UTR that wants to avoid any type of advertising on any site, but is willing to have someone post about them with a minor review and / or minor description along with some way to contact the QUTR directly either by handle or e-mail address. NO phone number is posted. Still nobody knows much about the QUTR and it's up to the QUTR to respond to the contacts. The QUTR does not want reviews and limits who is going to post about them. Everything is controlled by the QUTR.

Provider is a UTR that starts posting ads, allows reviews on review sites, posts phone numbers, posts pictures, and then they are no longer a UTR. They have exposed themselves to the mainstream business and are now a true provider open to the public. Many UTR's go this route.

Etiquette with UTR's. A monger who sends a UTR's contact info out or exposes her on open forum without her approval is a "Bad" Monger. A monger who exposes a UTR, with her approval, is doing it the right way.

I think the key is a "True UTR" no matter how she is promoted cannot be contacted by any means other than through back channels. Nobody knows anything about her except that she is out there. Please chime in on thoughts.

Maybe some new terminology is needed. Keep UTR for the true UTR and come up with something different for QUTR and the rest.

Once someone posts about the UTR, except in the most generic terms; "usually my UTR takes care of me, but I decided to try. ", the risk of them becoming better known goes up, especially with the "seeking new customers" scenario. It's possible for a not yet trusted member to convince them to share the info and possible that person will then share with others, without permission. Two weeks later, the UTR is getting a call from a Pakistani who is coming to town on business and got the number from an unknown guy on a Pakistani escort site.

Giving out UTR info is a sacred trust. First the request needs to originate with the provider, either by a direct request or a not too subtle hint; "a few of my regulars moved away, so I have more free time. " Then there's the, "I know a guy. ", back and forth, finding out if the guy and the UTR are both open for an introduction.

I've received a few PMs from unknown users, giving unsolicited contact info for some UTR. To me, they are no longer UTR. I won't give the info, even if asked (and that has happened), but clearly not everyone feels the same way. Too many possible scenarios, but here's one:

Monger A says he knows a UTR looking for new customers. Out of 30 PMs, he gives the info to 5, the rest he brushes off. Monger C, who didn't get the info, sends PMs to everyone who he thinks might have the info, and Monger B, gives it up. Monger C contacts the UTR, who shoots him down because he's not on the list from Monger A. Monger C, who is a bit unstable, puts up a BP ad with the UTR phone number. UTR is now completely compromised. If she isn't using a hobby phone, her name and address are now in the hands of thousands. No happy ending.

It's a good topic for discussion, but I don't know if we'll find any answers.

[IndyGuy123]

I've never claimed to be the King, I think that's one of the SOUP's many titles.

Even I do not claim that one. A certain provider gave me that title. I told her I defer it to Ilapp or FF. I will leave it up to her if she wants to chime in but if / when she does that may add another damn name. (And no this time it ain't Nat. Those names you don't get. LOL).

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

[IrishLaddie]

DAMN!

I'm sorry I brought it up and apparently then degraded the term UTR. Next time I will keep my mouth shut!

DYoung tries to do everyone a solid and you beat him down about what the hell UTR is?

Hope this sight doesn't go to politics from ladies, we're all FUBAR then!!

Thanks for the effort DY, always appreciated.

[Jjbee62]

Everyone has a right to there opinion and your's is wrong! See it works both ways. You are not the king and last word on opinions.

It's their, not there and yours, not your's, since we're being correct.

When I see someone making a mistake, or doing something they will later regret, I speak up. In most cases, I even try to be diplomatic, try to see all sides and accept their validity. After all, isn't that how we learn, how we progress?

You've been called out by several of the most respected people on this board, some have been harsher than others, each of them saying the same thing. The smart move is to take a step back, swallow your pride and apologize. Learn from the experience and try to overcome the negative feelings. As I said, even though you believe you are right, all those other voices saying you were wrong have good reasons. Why not accept this is a war you can't win and try for a better peace treaty?

This isn't about opinions, it's about the real world we all have to live in. Our actions, even the ones on this mostly anonymous forum, affect our lives and the lives of others. Having the last word on this matter may feel satisfying, but there are always consequences. Is your pride worth the price? No, that's not a threat. It's simply accepting the fact that pissing off the wrong people is bound to limit your options.

I've never claimed to be the King, I think that's one of the SOUP's many titles.

[DaveRue]

I still like stealth.

Dave.

[IndyGuy123]

I give up!

[Dyoung35]

DAMN!

I'm sorry I brought it up and apparently then degraded the term UTR. Next time I will keep my mouth shut!

[Member #6963]

Consensus: A general agreement among those that are knowledgeable about a subject and capable of providing an opinion.

Stubborn: Having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good arguments or reasons to do so.

So which is it? From what I am reading I guess everyone now knows, except for one.

[Sara8032]

Everyone has a right to there opinion and your's is wrong! See it works both ways. You are not the king and last word on opinions.

It isn't that hard. Thanks for ruining it for everyone.

[MrEnvious]

I made this same mistake once, long ago and it led to a very ugly situation. I still feel I was right, but I also understand why I was wrong. I was wrong because I didn't consider everyone's perspective.

The invite post wasn't a rhetorical question, it was an example of LHT (Little Head Thinking). It's common, we're all guilty from time to time. She just rocked your world and you think she could end up in the Hall of Fame and you wouldn't mind being one of the select few who introduced her to the world. The M&G is standing there saying "This is the perfect time. Some of the top mongers in the area, with some of the top providers, it's perfect. She'll walk out a big star. " I understand. In your shoes I would have been tempted to do the same thing.

LHT.

Now the other perspective:

Nobody knows her. DYoung described meeting her as a SW encounter, meaning she is in some way soliciting strangers in public places. Unless he makes a habit of asking random women for P4 P, the SW designation is appropriate. She might be sweet and innocent and awesome, but she was still engaging in very risky behavior, uncle isn't the worst danger.

Nobody knows about her mental state, or whether she's a kleptomaniac or a junkie (3 reports in 24 hours isn't enough to determine a pattern). What happens if her mental state does a flip at the M&G and she becomes violent or suicidal? I've seen it happen and it's not fun. What happens if she collects a bunch of names and numbers and gets pinched next week? How quickly will she roll over?

I'm not saying any of these things are likely, but they're possible. That's the other side's perspective. That's why, even though you're justified in thinking you were right, you were still wrong.

Everyone has a right to there opinion and your's is wrong! See it works both ways. You are not the king and last word on opinions.

[IndyGuy123]

A lot of us knew once Natalie left SB and saw the big city where the streets lights stay on past 9 pm and your sit-down restaurants we were going to have a hard time keeping her down on the farm. But we never expected some of you perks like Indyguy123 to be sneaking into town and whisking her away.

We posted sentries even built a wall but somehow you dug a tunnel to rival El Chap's.

Not this time! Noobie, I and the rest of the SB crew are keeping her confined in a secret location and under 24 hour watch until after your M&G. This time our security is impenetrable.

Not the biggest prick not the smallest prick but a prick never the less.

Do you think I did not plan ahead for Noob, you, and your faithful associates. You will find out the details of this plan soon enough my friend.

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

P.S.- Stay the hell out of my toy stash. The straps and cuffs are for my use. I got to draw the line somewhere. See Adam and Eve. Discounts all the time.

[Member #6963]

This is a interesting question. Many opinions and none really wrong or right but input from others could be helpful before being added to the Newbies Blog.

"True UTR" is completely under the radar. No names, phone numbers or e-mails are posted on any type of forum or website. Business is completely derived from word of mouth, through back channels on this or other boards. No reviews, no ads, no postings on any escort sites, etc. Nobody knows anything about the UTR without the UTR approving its release through her customer (s) first. This is in many peoples opinion is the definition of a "True UTR". Now is it possible that a "True UTR" can also be a provider that requests a monger to put up a post that he has a UTR that is looking for additional customers and to contact him for more details. It's just a more expedient way than sending out massive PM's. Since nobody really knows anything about her then isn't she still a "True UTR". I think it is because the key is no contact info is out on open forum (s) and backchannels have to be used to contact her. Some of these UTR's may have been on a SB site and met the monger there and is now willing to step out more into the mainstream limelight, but still remain mostly anonymous. I know several UTR's that are this way. Nobody knows their name and phone number unless the UTR provides it once they are comfortable with the initial contact through the posting monger. So please chime in to agree or disagree.

"Quasi-UTR" is a type of UTR that wants to avoid any type of advertising on any site, but is willing to have someone post about them with a minor review and / or minor description along with some way to contact the QUTR directly either by handle or e-mail address. NO phone number is posted. Still nobody knows much about the QUTR and it's up to the QUTR to respond to the contacts. The QUTR does not want reviews and limits who is going to post about them. Everything is controlled by the QUTR.

Provider is a UTR that starts posting ads, allows reviews on review sites, posts phone numbers, posts pictures, and then they are no longer a UTR. They have exposed themselves to the mainstream business and are now a true provider open to the public. Many UTR's go this route.

Etiquette with UTR's. A monger who sends a UTR's contact info out or exposes her on open forum without her approval is a "Bad" Monger. A monger who exposes a UTR, with her approval, is doing it the right way.

I think the key is a "True UTR" no matter how she is promoted cannot be contacted by any means other than through back channels. Nobody knows anything about her except that she is out there. Please chime in on thoughts.

[Jjbee62]

My post about an invite was a rhetorical question. Do you comprehend the meaning of a rhetorical question?

For all the obvious reasons you stated there was never any intent to receive an actual response, hence the meaning of a rhetorical question!

You are assuming that you know how they met and the circumstances. Aren't you the one lecturing people all the time about assuming facts they know nothing about? I think the way you phrase it is if you are not there then how can you make any comments about how/what happened?

I made this same mistake once, long ago and it led to a very ugly situation. I still feel I was right, but I also understand why I was wrong. I was wrong because I didn't consider everyone's perspective.

The invite post wasn't a rhetorical question, it was an example of LHT (Little Head Thinking). It's common, we're all guilty from time to time. She just rocked your world and you think she could end up in the Hall of Fame and you wouldn't mind being one of the select few who introduced her to the world. The M&G is standing there saying "This is the perfect time. Some of the top mongers in the area, with some of the top providers, it's perfect. She'll walk out a big star. " I understand. In your shoes I would have been tempted to do the same thing.

LHT.

Now the other perspective:

Nobody knows her. DYoung described meeting her as a SW encounter, meaning she is in some way soliciting strangers in public places. Unless he makes a habit of asking random women for P4 P, the SW designation is appropriate. She might be sweet and innocent and awesome, but she was still engaging in very risky behavior, uncle isn't the worst danger.

Nobody knows about her mental state, or whether she's a kleptomaniac or a junkie (3 reports in 24 hours isn't enough to determine a pattern). What happens if her mental state does a flip at the M&G and she becomes violent or suicidal? I've seen it happen and it's not fun. What happens if she collects a bunch of names and numbers and gets pinched next week? How quickly will she roll over?

I'm not saying any of these things are likely, but they're possible. That's the other side's perspective. That's why, even though you're justified in thinking you were right, you were still wrong.

[BobUp]

A lot of us knew once Natalie left SB and saw the big city where the streets lights stay on past 9 pm and your sit-down restaurants we were going to have a hard time keeping her down on the farm. But we never expected some of you perks like Indyguy123 to be sneaking into town and whisking her away.

We posted sentries even built a wall but somehow you dug a tunnel to rival El Chap's.

Not this time! Noobie, I and the rest of the SB crew are keeping her confined in a secret location and under 24 hour watch until after your M&G. This time our security is impenetrable.

Not the biggest prick not the smallest prick but a prick never the less.